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 		utterly random observations:
*Wasn't 11 bucks what JJ Abrams paid for the actual movie rights to Stephen King's "The Dark Tower?" It was a sort of friendly purchase, and the dirt-cheap number had some meaning to the two of them...

*Could the Teddy Hanssen name be a veiled reference to Robert Hanssen, the genius double agent for the FBI who turned traitor and sold secrets to the Chinese? You know, the movie "Breach?" I just don't trust Teddy Hanssen at all, and maybe that's why.

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 		or maybe thats how much 7 slushos cost Very Happy

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 		Re: utterly random observations:
brettoniasam wrote:
*Wasn't 11 bucks what JJ Abrams paid for the actual movie rights to Stephen King's "The Dark Tower?" It was a sort of friendly purchase, and the dirt-cheap number had some meaning to the two of them...

*Could the Teddy Hanssen name be a veiled reference to Robert Hanssen, the genius double agent for the FBI who turned traitor and sold secrets to the Chinese? You know, the movie "Breach?" I just don't trust Teddy Hanssen at all, and maybe that's why.


Okay, I'm stepping in as voice of reason. Scrutinizing someone owing $11 dollars without a reason is scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation.
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Scrutinizing someone owing $11 dollars without a reason is scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation
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hehe, everyone in this subforum owes me $11...no reason. Smile

note, although this belongs in another thread, $11 is a double. Laughing
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hehe, everyone in this subforum owes me $11...no reason. Smile

note, although this belongs in another thread, $11 is a double. Laughing


HAHA never noticed that.

There we go with the doubles again :-p

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 		"I want my two dollars" was already used. Smile

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 		Re: utterly random observations:
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Okay, I'm stepping in as voice of reason. Scrutinizing someone owing $11 dollars without a reason is scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation.


You're dealing with people who heard a cuckoo clock in a trailer and want to know if the text on the green tea box that is used as a set prop might have a "clue" or "hint" on it. Stepping in as a "voice of reason" will get you diddly-squat on this website.
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 		Re: utterly random observations:
Kingpin wrote:
brettoniasam wrote:
*Wasn't 11 bucks what JJ Abrams paid for the actual movie rights to Stephen King's "The Dark Tower?" It was a sort of friendly purchase, and the dirt-cheap number had some meaning to the two of them...

*Could the Teddy Hanssen name be a veiled reference to Robert Hanssen, the genius double agent for the FBI who turned traitor and sold secrets to the Chinese? You know, the movie "Breach?" I just don't trust Teddy Hanssen at all, and maybe that's why.


Okay, I'm stepping in as voice of reason. Scrutinizing someone owing $11 dollars without a reason is scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation.


Sure, Kingpin, we bow to your Superior Intellect... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

You're so damn smart, *YOU* explain why ANY director would include in his trailer a throwaway clip of some random guy walking by and saying "Dude, you owe me 11 bucks." What was that supposed to be...*comedy?* Where's the joke? Where's the relevance to the rest of the trailer?

But...oh yeah. This trailer was created by JJ ABRAMS. The guy who luh-huvs to dish out weird clues and connections and has a long-standing fetish for numbers and numerical codes. So....d-uh.

Next time, think twice before insulting someone with a line like "scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation."

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 		The 11 bucks thing could just of been there to make it seem like a party, i've seen quite often in movies or shows, where if one person is leaving there will be one wise-ass who says "lol you still owe me *enter amount* of money!" so it could be nothi8ng.


Remember he knows people will probably be looking into every aspect of the video and what clues we have to find something so he may of put it there as a red herring.

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 		Re: utterly random observations:
brettoniasam wrote:
Sure, Kingpin, we bow to your Superior Intellect... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

You're so damn smart, *YOU* explain why ANY director would include in his trailer a throwaway clip of some random guy walking by and saying "Dude, you owe me 11 bucks." What was that supposed to be...*comedy?* Where's the joke? Where's the relevance to the rest of the trailer?


I don't claim to have a superior intellect I'm simply saying that there's a reasonable, non conspiritorial explanation for the eleven dollar comment.

I figure it's in there for the same reason we see people saying they don't want Rob to leave, and that he's someone's main dude... Like The Internet suggested, it's the standard sorta stuff you see when someone makes a movie like that, especially amongst friends. With that said, it was the speculation about Robert Hanssen that seemed the more far-fetched out of it.

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But...oh yeah. This trailer was created by JJ ABRAMS. The guy who luh-huvs to dish out weird clues and connections and has a long-standing fetish for numbers and numerical codes. So....d-uh.


I do realise that's Abram's shtick of recent but that doesn't guarentee it'll appear in every single thing he'll do, is What About Brian filled with secretive numbers with hidden significance? Was Armageddon, to which he was the screenwriter? Or Forever Young?

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Next time, think twice before insulting someone with a line like "scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation."


I apologise for the insultive tone, however it doesn't place you on the moral highround to be as insulting to me. A person's skepticism shouldn't be justification for you to insult the person who's being skeptical.
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 		Not to back kingpin but...
If "scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation." is an insult to you, you need to go outside for a while.
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 		Re: Not to back kingpin but...
pegassissy wrote:
If "scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation." is an insult to you, you need to go outside for a while.


Hey, I deal blackjack 50 hours a week for a living, so I've got a thick skin. But "scraping the bottom of the barrel in desperation" is clearly an insult to my intellect, and was totally uncalled for. I was merely speculating, and admitted it was totally random speculation...but if some guys feel the need to go around *heckling* people's theories instead of actually posting non-judgmental *critiques* of those theories, then go ahead -- knock yourselves out.

And back to the issue of 11 Bucks Guy:

When you make a movie trailer, you have about 30-120 seconds to hook your viewers. So every scene has to count. Every scene is there to convey information; reveal plot; introduce characters; showcase stars; showcase the visuals; create emotion -- laughs, tears, fear, curiosity, anger, whatever.

And guess what? Every scene in the Cloverfield trailer does just that. Every scene in that trailer either advances the plot; introduces the primary characters; generates fear and curiosity. All the other Party scenes introduce the Slusho Seven; establish relationships between some of the characters; foreshadows the attack.

And then, there's this guy who says "You owe me 11 bucks," and "This is gonna be the greatest night ever."

Who? Why?

If he's not important to the plot, why show him at all? All the other primaries got Myspace pages -- why not him? He got his own locker marked "Guy" according to those Slashfilm set pics from NYC, and yet no Myspace?

All the other characters at the party are saying things that establish plot and character: "What is this for?" "We'll miss you, Rob." "How am I gonna survive without you? You're my main dude." "Have fun in Japan."

But: "You owe me 11 bucks".....???? Again: what's that for? If it's to establish character, then obviously the Guy is important. Yet no Myspace, or even a Myspace mention. (Unless he turns out to be Teddy Hanssen.) It DOESN'T establish or advance plot visibly...

11 Bucks Guy is there for a reason. He's a major player that has yet to be introduced; or the 11 bucks will turn out to be significant in some way. Otherwise, his throwaway line in the trailer serves *no purpose whatsoever* -- it does not advance plot, or generate emotion, or showcase visuals or star power, and if he's a minor character, what's the point of even TRYING to establish his personality?

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 		I wouldn't rule out him being a major character yet, but I still highly doubt it. I personally still think the $11 mention was just a random number in an improvised line. It's establishing the party atmosphere. He's a "crazy party guy with something funny to say". It may not be a joke that's a crowd killer by any means, but if you're nit picking over an $11 debt in a memorial video, then it's silly and worth a heartwarming chuckle when Rob's watching the video later on..

I don't think this trailer follows the standards anyway, which is what got a lot of our attention in the first place. The party, and this guy in particular, is the "look right" to set up the monster's "go left". "This is gonna be the best night ever" is the irony to tie the whole thing together.

Again, this doesn't mean he won't prove to have a larger role, but I think the reasons I mentioned earlier are the reasons he's there. "Guy" could be anyone. There're disaster elements to a monster movie, so who knows what strangers could end up tagging along w/ our gang? Obviously not someone nameless if he's close enough to be invited to a going away party and have lent the main character money, unless his name is literally Guy.

EDIT: To clarify, "Guy" is referring to the lockers with one named "Guy".

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IronJ146 wrote:
I don't think this trailer follows the standards anyway, which is what got a lot of our attention in the first place.

Indeed, there's no naration with the deep ominous voice or does it break into Fluke - Absurdesque, nor does it end with the triumphant Dragonheart Finale or the shocking-screaming-metal-door-slamming bang.
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The party, and this guy in particular, is the "look right" to set up the monster's "go left". "This is gonna be the best night ever" is the irony to tie the whole thing together.

Indeed, was holding back on decrying why 'the best night ever' comment wasn't being torn to shreds to figure out the grander deeper meaning to it.

With all this discussion of numerological minutiae, did Nancy Reagan plan this deal or did JJ Abrams?

Yes, I think we'll get some idea of who this is in the movie or before then, and he might be important. I don't think sniffing his flatulence to figure out what blend of Slusho he drank yesterday is important.
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The party, and this guy in particular, is the "look right" to set up the monster's "go left". "This is gonna be the best night ever" is the irony to tie the whole thing together.

Indeed, was holding back on decrying why 'the best night ever' comment wasn't being torn to shreds to figure out the grander deeper meaning to it.


Yes, "best night ever" is clearly intended to be an ironic statement to wrap up the trailer with an ominous sense of dread.

But "the voice of reason" says that's a curious thing for 11 Bucks Guy to say, given that:

a) his (apparent) good friend is getting ready to go overseas for an extended length of time; and
b) given that 11 Bucks Guy appears to be a Man of the World who's been to quite a few big parties in his day, he sure as hell couldn't rate this snoozefest of a party as "the best night ever."

The music is low and muted; most of the guests look bored and uncomfortable (hell, even the bartender was about to doze off before the roar and the blackout woke him up), and the number of wallflowers hanging around with nothing to do -- coupled with awkward and insincere "Rob's awesome" video goodbyes, including Lena's baffled "What is this for...?" comment -- indicate that at least a few of the partygoers don't give a damn about Rob, and some might not even KNOW him.

So no....there's no reason for 11 Bucks Guy to wax enthusiastic about one massive dud of a party. Only AFTER $hit started blowing up did it truly become "the best night ever."

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