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[SPEC]Art-house movie...?
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brettoniasam
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 [SPEC]Art-house movie...?

I've discussed this quite thoroughly on the IMDB boards over the past coupla months, but it's hard to get anything past the Godzilla and Voltron fanboys over there (I'm not sure there's anyone over the age of 14 left on IMDB's Cloverfield boards)...

...anyway: I've been speculating for many weeks now that nothing is as it seems in the Transformers trailer, and that this movie may not be about a giant monster attack at all.

The Myspace pages are sprinkled liberally with lots of references to books and movies and music that point towards lies, misdirection, deception, altered realities:
*"Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" (a film about erasing and planting memories, and physically rearranging the subconscious mind);
*"The Life of Pi" (two different versions of the same story -- one a fanciful fable, the other a horrific tale of murder and cannibalism that was probably closer to the truth);
*"The House of Leaves" (a bizarre non-novel about a man obsessed with researching a factitious documentary about a house whose physical dimensions appeared to come from OTHER dimensions)
*"Sideways Stories from Wayside School";
*anything by Roald Dahl (or Stephen King, or Tom Robbins);
*Chuck Klosterman (his latest book is divided into 3 sections: Things That Are True; Things That Might Be True; Something That Isn't True At All);
*A Million Little Pieces (full of stream-of-consciousness narrative; and, in fact, the author himself turned out to be lying outright about this supposed work of "non-fiction");
*Kurosawa films ("Rashomon" comes to mind -- the same story retold in different versions by different characters); *
*Kylie Minogue's video that features multiple retellings of the same story;
*abstract movies from classical surrealist and avant-garde filmmakers, such as Bunuel, Antonioni, Truffaut, Gondry, Bergman
*Comic books
*even fantasy football (played by Hawk and Hud) is an example of "altered reality" -- you create a fictitious team of real players and play out a fictitious season alongside the REAL season
*...did I mention the obvious? "Lost"?

All those references, coupled with a lot of head-scratchers and non-sequiturs from the trailer (63 degrees at midnight on January 18, 2008 in NYC comes *immediately* to mind), lead me to believe that:

it ain't happenin'.

The Monster...the Statue of Liberty's head...New York in flames -- it's all in somebody's (Rob's?) head. Or a virtual/simulated world. Or an alternate Twilight Zone reality.

This would also go a LOOONG way toward explaining the inexplicable: why a release date in JANUARY....dump-time for movies that aren't expected to make any money ($35 million opening weekend TOPS, according to boxofficemojo.com). If it was a massive Godzilla-style project, it would have a MUCH larger budget, MUCH more promotion in the mainstream, a MUCH choicer release date in summer or the holidays.

But an artsy, avant-garde surreal sci-fi flick for the arthouse crowd? Sure...January would be perfect.

I'm 99% sure that this movie is NOT what it tries to sell: i.e., it's NOT a giant monster stomp flick. Instead, it will be a cerebral get-inside-your-head none-of-this-is-real movie like Vanilla Sky, Eternal Sunshine, The Cell, Fight Club, or Brazil.

What do you guys think?

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How do you explain J.J.'s speech at the S.D. ComiCon?

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You might actually have a point, but I don´t think it´s the point you´re trying to make.

If the way they show events in the movie are altered depending on who´s holding the camera... and we get to see different versions of some events... then that might be quite awesome.

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Hmm...with 35 million as a budget, sounds about right. Sorta...
I've never thought this would be a strait forward monster flick. The film-makers involved beyond JJ point to there being a twist. Yea, the handycam view is the easy answer, but hopefully something more cerebral is in their back pocket.

HOWEVER, I'll be damned if there's no monster. If JJ stood up at ComiCon and said "I want a monster movie", and openly compared it to other monster films saying "King Kong is cute" or whatever, and turns around and there's no monster...Jesus, embarrassing me for the months of spec alone...okay I'll teach him about misdirection by making him look at my left while the right comes across his face. (<---Not really, but I'd definitely be inclined to)

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I like your speculation brettoniasam and the thoughtful post. It's quite possible all is not what it seems. It's always bothered me that New York is left devastated(especially post 9-11). maybe something is askew. Your references do point to a surreal, alternative reality. I think there will be a full blown monster attack but with a twist (something JJ loves).

Good Post Smile

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If it involves Bobby Ewing in the shower, I'll be pissed! Twisted Evil

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Dream Theory

This is kinda bothering me. It's not often I threaten violence as a learning taoist Wink

I've been thinking about it though. The "this is all a dream" theory, could make sense.I remember the kinda of crazy dreams I had about Japan (Okinawa specifically) before I moved there for a little while. People LOVE psychoanalyzing dreams.
I think it's too simple to just be a dream, however, as I don't think the Bad Robot folk are fans of snow-globe theories as per the Lost interviews.

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Allow me to emphasize that I *didn't* say there'd be no monster -- only that I think the monster attack might be totally inside someone's head, or a virtual reality simulation of some sort...a la Vanilla Sky, or Fight Club, as I stated.

Yeah, we'll see plenty of action -- then wham! JJ hits us with the fact that nothing we just saw really happened. Wild spec on possible angles, but it could be anything like: the military conducting psych-war tests on a subject (how would the enemy react if they believed their city was being attacked by a giant monster?); psychotropic/hallucinogenic drugs being dumped in NY's water supply -- or Slusho supply (Scarecrow's plot in "Batman Begins" comes to mind); even a virtual reality simulation of a monster attack as part of some viral marketing campaign (remember, Rob is testing some new marketing program, and quite a few of the Slusho Seven have extensive backgrounds in marketing....think what Madison Avenue could/would do with virtual reality advertising....)

...remember, there's two main types of scifi films -- the big epic actioners (Lucasfilms, Trek, Transformers, Terminator, Matrix, Aliens/Predator, Independence Day, etc), as well as the "smaller" psychological films that tend to explore the nature of humanity from the standpoint of an alternate reality (Blade Runner, Gattaca, Sunshine, Donnie Darko, Children of Men, Solaris, Twelve Monkeys, Brazil, etc).

I just believe that when all is said and done, Cloverfield will fit into the LATTER category instead of the former.

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JJ: THAT'S RIGHT, GUYS! THE MONSTER IS THE HUMAN MIND. THE MONSTER IS FEAR ITSELF!

Grunberg: JJ, dude, we're still in the car.

JJ: ...Oh...ok. THAT'S RIGHT, GUYS! THE MONST--

Grunberg: Still in the car.

JJ: What about now?

Grunberg: Still no. Hey, why don't you finish writing the movie, it comes out next week.

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maybe it's just me but I think this:

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the military conducting psych-war tests on a subject (how would the enemy react if they believed their city was being attacked by a giant monster?)


or not necessarily the enemy, but just regular people (the slusho 7 perhaps?)

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Bruce wrote:
If it involves Bobby Ewing in the shower, I'll be pissed! Twisted Evil

If it involves M. Night Shyamalan, I'll be pissed!

I like the thinking in this post brett, but then where do the pictures on 1-18-08 come from? Rob's mind, like the "Unruhe" episode of the X-Files?

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MrToasty wrote:
Bruce wrote:
If it involves Bobby Ewing in the shower, I'll be pissed! Twisted Evil

If it involves M. Night Shyamalan, I'll be pissed!

I like the thinking in this post brett, but then where do the pictures on 1-18-08 come from? Rob's mind, like the "Unruhe" episode of the X-Files?


I was always scared of hefty guys on stilts that carried hammers after I saw that episode.

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"The greatest fear mankind has is of the unknown. Knowledge brings power, and without knowledge there is no power. This is what human kind fears the most, being powerless."
Ive used this quote before, but still cant remeber exactly who its by. Im gonna say something that some of you wont like to hear, but its my opinion, and in my mind im right.

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The only truly satisfying monster would be a monster we never see. I hope to JJ Christ (sorry for the blasphemy Jesus) that we dont see the monster. This is much like the Blair witch craft, which i personally loved. The greatest fear we have is of the unknown. My guess is, JJ's smart, hell show us the monster but only because hell make more $$$. In his heart he wants it to remain a mystery.

And, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO this cannot be a daydream, JJ's smarter than that.
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Good point

Since the budget is $30 million and the release date is in January, I think it's right that the movie simply cannot be a spectacle at the level of Godzilla/Independence Day. However, I don't think this suggests any particular plot device; instead, it suggests that there's a real limit on the amount of destruction/action one should expect to see.

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Re: Good point

SV18 wrote:
Since the budget is $30 million and the release date is in January, I think it's right that the movie simply cannot be a spectacle at the level of Godzilla/Independence Day. However, I don't think this suggests any particular plot device; instead, it suggests that there's a real limit on the amount of destruction/action one should expect to see.

Or like my above post states we never see a monster, thefore no big budget creating him (or her remember to be p/c Wink )
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