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[SPEC]A (Circumstantial) Case for a Monster
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Overkill
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 		[SPEC]A (Circumstantial) Case for a Monster
Greetings everyone,

I have been lurking here (as well as other related sites) for a while reading the many varied discussions concerning the 1-18-08 movie. Like most of you I am very intrigued about the identity of Abram's monster. A few friends and I have been conducting some armchair research into different aspects of the film. One of these concerns the marketing aspects of the movie and as such we are convinced that no matter what the identity of the monster actually is, surely a merchandising plan must already be in place. Logically the merchandise with the longest lead times would be games and toys. So we began looking into these areas. In doing so we stumbled over a pre-existing monster which at first did not seem important, that is until we delved into the details. If the Abram's monster is something pre-existing, we believe that this is a reasonable candidate . If the monster is something new we believe it is possibly based on this creature. So here is our circumstantial case based on available anecdotal evidence:


Unfiction.com: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21082

"The monster is not American at all.... The monster did go through its infancy and grew up under the Atlantic, but its origin, like Godzilla, came from Japan."

Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc99ppTHgUw

"I was in Japan over a year ago with my son who's eight....We went to all these stores and there was still all these Godzillas everywhere. I though, what's better than Godzilla?"......I wanted something that is insane and intense."

Wikipedia.com: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destoroyah

"It is the most powerful opponent Godzilla has ever faced and has fought the King of Monsters to the death in the last respective movie of the Heisei series and even then Godzilla failed to kill it."

Correlation: Japanese based monster more intense than Godzilla
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Tohokingdome.com: http://tohokingdom.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15621&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=168

"Here is the first third of the film…About one billion (yes billion) years ago, life on Earth was still at the multi-cell level and they remained mostly in their habitat. One of the organisms was more passive and preferred a symbiotic relationship for their survival. Another (and there were more) was more aggressive and preferred to control larger beings for their survival. Back then, the world had only one continent. The two organisms were separated, for the most part, by land."

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destoroyah

"It originated as a colony of Precambrian crustaceans"

Correlation: Very old (4500 million+ year) basis for monster

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Slashfilm.com: wttp://www.slashfilm.com/2007/06/29/jj-abrams-top-secret-cloverfield-movie-trailer-attached-to-transformers/

"It's a giant monster movie (refferred internally as "The Parasite")"

International Catalogue of Superheros: http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/g/goddest.htm

"History: Mutated from a tiny parasite"

Correlation: Parasite based monster

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Slusho.com: http://www.slusho.jp/



Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destoroyah

"Destoroyah first emerges as its small, crab like form."

Correlation: Crab based monster

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Slusho.com: http://www.slusho.jp/

"Ganu knew he had to serve the ingredient in a near-frozen state to preserve its freshness"

Toho Kingdom: http://tohokingdom.com/kaiju/destoroyah.htm#a

"Weakness: Susceptible to being frozen"

Correlation: References to freezing

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Movie Trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/11808/large.html





http://www.atari.com/godzilla/

"He can breath cloaking clouds of micro-oxygen, emit explosive spheres of micro-oxygen, and creates oxygen destroying comets of pure annihilation."

Correlation: Clouds, fireball (sphere) and comets

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Dark Horozons: http://www.darkhorizons.com/news07/070822b.php

"The smaller monsters grow from scales shed by the big monster."

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destoroyah

"Millions of these creatures would later combine to form Destroyah's aggregate form which manifested as several man-sized crustacean monsters which were reminiscent of the Xenomorphs from the Alien movies."

Correlation: Multiple monsters

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1-18-08News.com: http://www.1-18-08news.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144

"This aggressive organism likes to pool up into a larger being, control it, own it, even change it. It also eats the smaller passive organism much the same way a whale will eat plankton."

"There have been definite surprises to say the least. Spitting black blood out and "the dead zone" and piles of bodies?"


Toho Kingdom: http://tohokingdom.com/kaiju/destoroyah.htm#a

"Precious days ticked by as they began to congest, and grow in strength, destroying every molecule of oxygen in living tissue, and absorbing it into their growing mass."

Correlation: Aggregate monster, black blood due to lack of oxygen?

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IESB.net: http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2968&Itemid=99

"Using the codename "Chocolate," production has been underway with plenty of blue screen work being done."

www.Slusho.jp:





Correlation: Colors

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Movie Poster:

http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/poster1.php





Correlation: Claw marks and damage to buildings

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So there it is, make of it what you will. We are interested in your opinions.

edit to add tag ~rose

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:37 pm
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Kraker
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 		Despite every point you made that the movie could be about it, and although your theory is perfectly presented, I (personally) think that the monster is completely unrelated to the godzilla series.

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saneman
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 		"It is the most powerful opponent Godzilla has ever faced and has fought the King of Monsters to the death in the last respective movie of the Heisei series and even then Godzilla failed to kill it."

Wiki bolloks. Destroyah was a wuss that got killt by the Super X. Godzilla only died because that was the whole point of the movie -- and Destroyah isn't even what kills him.

If the monster's Destroyah, I'll eat my hat.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:11 pm
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Overkill
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Wiki bolloks. Destroyah was a wuss that got killt by the Super X. Godzilla only died because that was the whole point of the movie -- and Destroyah isn't even what kills him.

If the monster's Destroyah, I'll eat my hat.


I watched the actual movie while researching this (terrible movie I might add). Never the less, in his final scene Destroyah is shot down by Super X and he crashes into a building and disappears. No one ever said he was actually dead. Frozen possibly.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:23 pm
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 		Re: A (Circumstantial) Case for a Monster
Overkill wrote:

Tohokingdome.com: http://tohokingdom.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15621&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=168

"Here is the first third of the film…About one billion (yes billion) years ago, life on Earth was still at the multi-cell level and they remained mostly in their habitat. One of the organisms was more passive and preferred a symbiotic relationship for their survival. Another (and there were more) was more aggressive and preferred to control larger beings for their survival. Back then, the world had only one continent. The two organisms were separated, for the most part, by land."

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destoroyah

"It originated as a colony of Precambrian crustaceans"

Correlation: Very old (4500 million+ year) basis for monster

Uh, that'd be 4.5 billion years ago, not 1 billion.
Besides this, there's no indication that crustaceans existed until after the PreCambrian, in the Cambrian period.
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 		Re: A (Circumstantial) Case for a Monster
Overkill wrote:

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Movie Poster:

http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/poster1.php





Correlation: Claw marks and damage to buildings

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So there it is, make of it what you will. We are interested in your opinions.



This is the most intriguing part of this whole theory to me personally, the damage on the buildings looks very similar to the shape of Destroyah. The "horn" on the left shoulder seems to match the shape near the top of the building on the left, as well as the three claws w/the claw marks. Out of all the pre-existing monsters I've seen proposed this one seems a pretty good fit. Personally though I would really hope J.J. went a little more original with this thing.

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 		It would be extremely disappointing for him to go on about how he wanted something America could call it's own, only to go use that weird monster.

I really don't think he'd use that, not after what he said at ComicCon. Besides, as has been mentioned in the past in relation to the poster, events and details depicted in the design may not accurately reflect the final movie.
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 		Re: A (Circumstantial) Case for a Monster
JordLimb wrote:
Overkill wrote:

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Movie Poster:

http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/poster1.php





Correlation: Claw marks and damage to buildings

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So there it is, make of it what you will. We are interested in your opinions.



This is the most intriguing part of this whole theory to me personally, the damage on the buildings looks very similar to the shape of Destroyah. The "horn" on the left shoulder seems to match the shape near the top of the building on the left, as well as the three claws w/the claw marks. Out of all the pre-existing monsters I've seen proposed this one seems a pretty good fit. Personally though I would really hope J.J. went a little more original with this thing.

Notice that Destroyah's claw pattern is 2 'finger' claws with an opposing thumb claw. The marks shown in the poster indicate 3 evenly spaced finger claws, with a possible 4th opposed thumb claw.
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 		Great post!!

Is that monster really called Destroyah? Too bad it doesn't use weaponized ink. Wink
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 		thought it said circumsized at first.

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 		Re: A (Circumstantial) Case for a Monster
Euchre wrote:
JordLimb wrote:
Overkill wrote:

_______________________________________________

Movie Poster:

http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/poster1.php





Correlation: Claw marks and damage to buildings

________________________________________________

So there it is, make of it what you will. We are interested in your opinions.



This is the most intriguing part of this whole theory to me personally, the damage on the buildings looks very similar to the shape of Destroyah. The "horn" on the left shoulder seems to match the shape near the top of the building on the left, as well as the three claws w/the claw marks. Out of all the pre-existing monsters I've seen proposed this one seems a pretty good fit. Personally though I would really hope J.J. went a little more original with this thing.

Notice that Destroyah's claw pattern is 2 'finger' claws with an opposing thumb claw. The marks shown in the poster indicate 3 evenly spaced finger claws, with a possible 4th opposed thumb claw.


Good call, I didn't study the claws that closely at first. Either way I think it would be a disappointment if it used something pre-existing, especially after his comments about it being original. I'm still hanging on for just that, something that we haven't seen anything like.

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 		I find it strange how some of the responses appear contemptuous (as though there was a personal stake in this). In the rush to criticize some of you appear to have speed past this:

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If the Abram's monster is something pre-existing, we believe that this is a reasonable candidate . If the monster is something new we believe it is possibly based on this creature.


Rather than simply making a wild claim based upon a pet monster, we chose to instead search out something that fit some (not, not all) of the available evidence. Obviously if the creature is something all new it will be very difficult if not impossible to find historical background.

It did not escape our consideration that financially it would make more cents (pun intended) for Abrams to create a new creature which he would own the rights to. However the Japanese references surrounding the movie abound. The question is why? Could it be simply to pay homage to the original great movie monsters? It is interesting to consider that if the rumors are true, even though the creature is attacking the US, it's basis (Slusho) is from Japan.

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Very nice post. Well thought about and perfect evidence and examples. Too bad other people with theories like this cannot find the time or effort to explain why they think the way they do about something. Most of your evidence is convincing of this monster, if this movies is based off of a creature from Japan of course.

Now I want to go see the crappy movie with Destroyah in it.

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