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i_c_weiner
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First, thanks much, Lasher. The nectar/DSI (deep sea ingredient) makes more sense than deep sea crabs with this recipe. The DSI being in the recipe is very intriguing, making it so that Slusho!'s secret ingredient isn't actually a secret ingredient at all, thus ending the speculation that Slusho! caused the attack.


Melampus, three reactions on what you said:
(1) Over"mining" of the DSI does sound like a cause for the awakening of a monster, and has capitalist overtones that are "more American".
(2) If they want to make this into a series of films, this storyline has advantages. The monster just woke up, he decides to attack a city. It happens. Then, in the next movie, a rival monster awakens/comes to Earth, and The Monster has an epic battle with it in the style of Cloverfield
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And, for the one I think is the most thought provoking, (3) doesn't the storyline you posted sound a bit like that of a certain creature from R'lyeh?


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Melampus wrote:
Second, (sorry... it was a cool picture, whaddya want?), I like the way you think, Euchre - if there's any kind of consistency to the pictures, then it could be that this one was found in the rubble of Rob's apartment (or, where-ever that party was), along w/the others (the writing on the back of the others means they were made into hardcopies before the monster attacked) - so, it was prob. a picture/recipe-card that Rob or someone else had. Any of the other myspace people have a tie to Japan?

The fact there are pictures of the street carnage with the same timestamp indicates that if these pictures were found together they were not found until well after the party, and the chaos that ensued. If they were not found together (and they are appearing slowly because they are being discovered and gathered) then it's not clear where exactly (geographically) they did come from. Together they'd be one person's possessions likely found with that person, but I'd expect to see them all at once. I was noticing that both pics with well-wishing notes are addressed to Rob. This is thus far the only clue we have to the recipe being Rob's. One is from Jamie, and the other signed "J" I would guess is from JJ - do we have a real first name for him yet, and any clue what he's about in the story?
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And, lastly, at the San Diego ComiCon, J.J. Abrams said we (USA) needed our own monster, and he said this in direct reference to Godzilla - so, maybe all the Japanese stuff is a red herring. I mean, it's probably related, but only indirectly. Just a thought. (if it's a USA-created monster, then it's probably related generally to consumer-based capitalism run amok, etc. etc. and Slusho! is the perfect metaphor for that, even though it's... from Japan. Still, based on JJ's comments at S.D. there's a chance anything Japan-related will only be indirectly related to the monster).

We assume with good basis JJ means it won't be FROM Japan, but that doesn't mean it can't relate to Japan. King Kong wasn't FROM New York if you'll remember - he was brought here. I think his point is it won't be some character already extant in Japanese cinema or other media.
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The real question, though, is WTF is this picture doing on the 1-18-08 site?

That's clear to me, it was found in the same manner as all the others. I am more concerned with why there's a Japanese recipe card in NYC, who brought it there, who had it, and who's eyes are we seeing it through now?
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Melampus wrote:
if the deap-sea ingredient (we gotta get an abbreviation for that... anyone?) becomes wildly popular in various uses, w/Slusho just being 1 of them, then the theory about the harvesting of this deap-sea ingredient screwing up Bloop's food-supply becomes more plausible. I like that theory, btw - it's got a ring of realism to it that fits with the whole style of the movie.

Speaking of which, gene-splicing, radiation, etc., these are all hackneyed plot devices for monster movies - if it's going to be hyper-realistic, the plot should be something like: "it's a species that's always been around in the deep, deep oceans and we just didn't know about it until now; and, we only know about it now because someone [i.e., Slusho/Noriko/Ganu] upset/woke it, and after a brief reign of mindless, fish-out-of-water havoc, which was to say the least unfortunate for the citizens of NYC, we killed it [or, it just swam away]. Huh... go figure. Anyway, pass the tartar sauce..." That's as 'realistic' as a monster-movie could be.

That's just exactly it, so far the elements of this are bent towards a more mechanically precise definition of science fiction - things based on fact, calculated scientific theory, and above all plausible to our current knowledge. There's been no sign of the fantasy elements you see in other plots. Although it'd be interesting, I think that also rules out Cthulu - sorry Lovecraft fans, it'd be neat but the closest connection at this point would probably be that the fiction of his stories had some basis in the facts we are going to see supporting this movie.
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Really strange how all the recipes instructions are detailed except for what to do with the crab...they just chuck it into the sauce.

If you are to add "one crab", you should have to peel/chop it right?

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It's obvious, the monster is a giant mutated crab, duh!!

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Oops, thank you for correcting me! It helps to have a native japanese speaker. And the picture was so fuzzy... but now that it's correct, it's led to some really interesting things! I'm so excited!! ^o^

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Many folks eat the crabs "mustard" That may be the case here. This is its digestive system. Its system's fatty tissues are known to contain toxins it has absorbed...

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Research shows that chemical contaminants such as polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxin, mercury, and poison-inhalation hazards (PIHs) accumulate in the crab's fatty tissues and concentrate in the hepatopancreas. The contaminants, which are colorless, odorless and tasteless, and can increase one's chance of developing cancer, neurological impairments and miscarriage. Women of child-bearing age and children under the age of 5 are at particular risk.
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Maybe the crabs dine on the secret ingredient and it becomes entrained in their fatty tissues. This could be the reason for specifying "deep sea" crabs specifically. Needs to get to the slusho right...

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i_c_weiner wrote:
And, for the one I think is the most thought provoking, (3) doesn't the storyline you posted sound a bit like that of a certain creature from R'lyeh?


Nooo...?

Cthulhu just sat around for a while before getting discovered by some poor shipwrecked losers. Then it just got bonked and the head and sank like a stone... no havoc there, other than the death of few and the madness of one. Or am I misunderstanding this?
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There are some [TROUT] around here.

O0O wrote:
Many folks eat the crabs "mustard" That may be the case here. This is its digestive system. Its system's fatty tissues are known to contain toxins it has absorbed...

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Research shows that chemical contaminants such as polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs), dioxin, mercury, and poison-inhalation hazards (PIHs) accumulate in the crab's fatty tissues and concentrate in the hepatopancreas. The contaminants, which are colorless, odorless and tasteless, and can increase one's chance of developing cancer, neurological impairments and miscarriage. Women of child-bearing age and children under the age of 5 are at particular risk.
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Maybe the crabs dine on the secret ingredient and it becomes entrained in their fatty tissues. This could be the reason for specifying "deep sea" crabs specifically. Needs to get to the slusho right...

Something seems fishy here...
Oh, I know!
It's this!
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You guys do realize the recipe speaks nowhere of crabs, right?

I'm figuring you know this, and are just speculating as if it did...
Sorry if I bothered ya Wink

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i_c_weiner wrote:

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very offtopic, but this ToTPD reeks of PEELer. do you go there?

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has anyone considered the fact that whatever the monster is, as far as we know, it is the ONLY one of its kind to grow to a massive size and attack the city. (assumption) if this is true, then what is so unique about this one monster that it eats this deep sea ingredient and makes it huge and angry? it just seems odd, and completely discredits any polution theory to think that only one animal/reptile/crustacian would grow and not more, or even of different sorts of animal. even if it is a plant or something...why the hell wouldnt other life be eating it.

if the information we got is true about the monster shedding scales, maybe the scales are the crabs, OR the monster is made up of like 1 billion pissed off crabs......anyone ever seen crabs move in packs? stupid theory i know, but it is the only one that seems plausible. that way it would show that a billion of the creatures ate it, and all got pissed off when we stole it. or all melded together because of it somehow.

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I don't think the ingredient itself has anything to do with the monster... I think that the act of finding the ingredient is what sets the thing loose.

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Nighthawk wrote:
I don't think the ingredient itself has anything to do with the monster... I think that the act of finding the ingredient is what sets the thing loose.


surely not. if it is drilled for in different places around the world for over a decade.......why would it suddenly be like..WTF STOP STEALING MY SHIT! doesnt seem right?

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Snyde Comment wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:
I don't think the ingredient itself has anything to do with the monster... I think that the act of finding the ingredient is what sets the thing loose.


surely not. if it is drilled for in different places around the world for over a decade.......why would it suddenly be like..WTF STOP STEALING MY SHIT! doesnt seem right?

If this is a singular creature, then they finally hit the spot it was lurking in when they started this most recent rig closest to NYC. If this is one of a species roaming only the deepest of the ocean, we may have only just hit it's resources hard enough to incite a response. If the ingredient is actually part of the creature's own life cycle, we finally hit the wrong 'nest' or as with it being a resource to the creature we got it/them to a breaking point of response. Something about that newest Atlantic location closest to NYC suggests that that location may somehow be special or at least represents the high water mark of this apparent species conflict.
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