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Help Translate New Picture on 1-18-08 - [Translation Topic]
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Lasher
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OK Folks here is how my wife and I translated this. It's the proper translation of this recipe, almost the same but .. its cleary not what the other person had posted.
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Thank you for checking us out! We are introducing this weeks tasty one dish. Make sure you eat it cold!

    Skinless chicken breast Cut in half 2 pieces
    Soumen Noodles 10 oz
    Watercress Julien 1/2 cup
    Radish Sliced thin 1/2 Cup
    Shitake 1/2 Cup
    Chicken Broth 1/3 Cup
    Sake 2 Large Tablespoons
    Sugar 1 small teaspoon
    Kaitei no mitsu 1 pinch
    (Bottom of the Sea Nectar/Honey)

In a small sauce pan, stir together 1/3 cup water, chicken stock, sake and sugar
Bring to a boil then chill until cold. Grill chicken brast 8 min on both sides then also chill
Boil the soumen for 3 min and leave in cold water untill chilled
Spead watercress shitake and radish around the soumen. Slice the chicken breast thin and fan ontop of the soumen
add the bottom of the sea honey into the sauce before serving
Pour the sauce generously.

Go go Delicious chef!
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As you can see the main point in here is the last ingrdients translation, that kanji is definitely NOT Crab. It's Nectar/Honey. It's a little tricky to translate the last kanji there because it has no direct translation in english.

The closest you can get would be Hachi mitsu or Bee Nectar 蜂蜜 You can say amost the same thing with a flower. Flowers have nectar or mitsu but when the bee takes it it becomes Hachimitsu

Kani / Crab

Nectar / Honey


If you can't read the character properly you may need to install the other languages on your system. But here is a Pic to help. even if you can't read kanji you can clearly see the symbols are different.



On another note, this was clearly a not a native Japanese speaker who made this recipe pic. Japanese do not use the words ounces or sauce pans and rarely use Cup as a measurement, it's always cc and grams. Also take a look at the Jar thats closest in the pick. I can't be absolutely certain but those look like the same ingredients you drop into Slusho.

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Eddy wrote:
Maybe all the numbers in the recipe amount to something: 2, 10, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/3, 2, 1/2, 1/3, 8, 3, 3912


You forgot a "1" between the second "1/2" and "1/3" - for the crab, or rather, nectar/honey. So, it should be:

2, 10, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/3, 2, 1/2, 1, 1/3, 8, 3, 3912

And, Lasher, many, many thanks! Is that deep sea nectar/honey a common (or at least, real) Japanese name/ref. to some real ingredient; or, do you think it's a ref. to the Slusho! ingredient?

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Yay Lasher! I'm not Japanese expert, and it took me a couple of double takes to make sure it wasn't crab, but it's definitely the honey kanji (I guess the little "hat" is the giveaway)

Melampus wrote:

And, Lasher, many, many thanks! Is that deep sea nectar/honey a common (or at least, real) Japanese name/ref. to some real ingredient; or, do you think it's a ref. to the Slusho! ingredient?


Based on the fact that it looks like an invented way to use that Kanji, I'm gonna say that it is the slusho ingredient.
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I updated my post just now to make it easier for people who may not have the characters installed. I used a pic for everyone to see. thanks guys Very Happy

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Makes you wonder what may be in store in the next few weeks, could be for the moment we're viewing this out of context, a context which will be established if there's a picture next week.

I don't know if that is the case, but I'm interested in seeing what might appear now that the 1-18-08 page updates have started again.
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Melampus wrote:
Eddy wrote:
Maybe all the numbers in the recipe amount to something: 2, 10, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/3, 2, 1/2, 1/3, 8, 3, 3912


You forgot a "1" between the second "1/2" and "1/3" - for the crab, or rather, nectar/honey. So, it should be:

2, 10, 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, 1/3, 2, 1/2, 1, 1/3, 8, 3, 3912

And, Lasher, many, many thanks! Is that deep sea nectar/honey a common (or at least, real) Japanese name/ref. to some real ingredient; or, do you think it's a ref. to the Slusho! ingredient?


No it's in no way common. it absolutely made up. Using the same sort of deduction you would get for other things IE: You can say the same thing with a flower. Flowers have nectar or mitsu but when the bee takes it it becomes Hachimitsu. So they kinda took some liberty here to make it fit the purpose.

I would have to say that this is most certainly a reference to tie things together with ingredient in Slusho

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And don't forget, according to slusho.com, the ingredient must be kept cold the entire time to preserve freshness, which is why this is a cool-noodle meal.

Interesting, though. In the cloverfield universe, its NOT just slusho that uses the ingredient found by Ganu. Its people all over Japan.
This challenges a lot of theories that the drink itself is important (i.e. something happens only to characters that drink it), since the ingredient is apparently waaaay more common and, thus, likely to be ingested.
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Thanks Lasher.

It sounds like the secrect ingredient - why can't it be used in other things.


The way it was stressed to keep it cold it makes sense--
Because the ingredient was discovered on the deep
ocean floor, under amazing pressure and in the most extreme cold, Ganu
knew he had to serve the ingredient in a near-frozen state to preserve its
freshness!!


And one fateful day, he and his teammates discovered a deep sea ingredient
unique to anything else!!!! While the team pondered miraculous ways to use it,

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if the deap-sea ingredient (we gotta get an abbreviation for that... anyone?) becomes wildly popular in various uses, w/Slusho just being 1 of them, then the theory about the harvesting of this deap-sea ingredient screwing up Bloop's food-supply becomes more plausible. I like that theory, btw - it's got a ring of realism to it that fits with the whole style of the movie.

Speaking of which, gene-splicing, radiation, etc., these are all hackneyed plot devices for monster movies - if it's going to be hyper-realistic, the plot should be something like: "it's a species that's always been around in the deep, deep oceans and we just didn't know about it until now; and, we only know about it now because someone [i.e., Slusho/Noriko/Ganu] upset/woke it, and after a brief reign of mindless, fish-out-of-water havoc, which was to say the least unfortunate for the citizens of NYC, we killed it [or, it just swam away]. Huh... go figure. Anyway, pass the tartar sauce..." That's as 'realistic' as a monster-movie could be.

I dunno, though - I wouldn't be surprised if the Dharma group is somehow behind this.

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okonomiyake

Though the recipe does not correspond to this dish, it looks like what the chef is displaying could be okonomiyaki- japanese-style "pizza" commonly found in Osaka and Hiroshima? The shape is definitely a bit strange though...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okonomiyaki

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First, thanks much, Lasher. The nectar/DSI (deep sea ingredient) makes more sense than deep sea crabs with this recipe. The DSI being in the recipe is very intriguing, making it so that Slusho!'s secret ingredient isn't actually a secret ingredient at all, thus ending the speculation that Slusho! caused the attack.


Melampus, three reactions on what you said:
(1) Over"mining" of the DSI does sound like a cause for the awakening of a monster, and has capitalist overtones that are "more American".
(2) If they want to make this into a series of films, this storyline has advantages. The monster just woke up, he decides to attack a city. It happens. Then, in the next movie, a rival monster awakens/comes to Earth, and The Monster has an epic battle with it in the style of Cloverfield
(ARG, camcorders)
And, for the one I think is the most thought provoking, (3) doesn't the storyline you posted sound a bit like that of a certain creature from R'lyeh?


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Melampus wrote:
Second, (sorry... it was a cool picture, whaddya want?), I like the way you think, Euchre - if there's any kind of consistency to the pictures, then it could be that this one was found in the rubble of Rob's apartment (or, where-ever that party was), along w/the others (the writing on the back of the others means they were made into hardcopies before the monster attacked) - so, it was prob. a picture/recipe-card that Rob or someone else had. Any of the other myspace people have a tie to Japan?

The fact there are pictures of the street carnage with the same timestamp indicates that if these pictures were found together they were not found until well after the party, and the chaos that ensued. If they were not found together (and they are appearing slowly because they are being discovered and gathered) then it's not clear where exactly (geographically) they did come from. Together they'd be one person's possessions likely found with that person, but I'd expect to see them all at once. I was noticing that both pics with well-wishing notes are addressed to Rob. This is thus far the only clue we have to the recipe being Rob's. One is from Jamie, and the other signed "J" I would guess is from JJ - do we have a real first name for him yet, and any clue what he's about in the story?
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And, lastly, at the San Diego ComiCon, J.J. Abrams said we (USA) needed our own monster, and he said this in direct reference to Godzilla - so, maybe all the Japanese stuff is a red herring. I mean, it's probably related, but only indirectly. Just a thought. (if it's a USA-created monster, then it's probably related generally to consumer-based capitalism run amok, etc. etc. and Slusho! is the perfect metaphor for that, even though it's... from Japan. Still, based on JJ's comments at S.D. there's a chance anything Japan-related will only be indirectly related to the monster).

We assume with good basis JJ means it won't be FROM Japan, but that doesn't mean it can't relate to Japan. King Kong wasn't FROM New York if you'll remember - he was brought here. I think his point is it won't be some character already extant in Japanese cinema or other media.
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The real question, though, is WTF is this picture doing on the 1-18-08 site?

That's clear to me, it was found in the same manner as all the others. I am more concerned with why there's a Japanese recipe card in NYC, who brought it there, who had it, and who's eyes are we seeing it through now?
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Melampus wrote:
if the deap-sea ingredient (we gotta get an abbreviation for that... anyone?) becomes wildly popular in various uses, w/Slusho just being 1 of them, then the theory about the harvesting of this deap-sea ingredient screwing up Bloop's food-supply becomes more plausible. I like that theory, btw - it's got a ring of realism to it that fits with the whole style of the movie.

Speaking of which, gene-splicing, radiation, etc., these are all hackneyed plot devices for monster movies - if it's going to be hyper-realistic, the plot should be something like: "it's a species that's always been around in the deep, deep oceans and we just didn't know about it until now; and, we only know about it now because someone [i.e., Slusho/Noriko/Ganu] upset/woke it, and after a brief reign of mindless, fish-out-of-water havoc, which was to say the least unfortunate for the citizens of NYC, we killed it [or, it just swam away]. Huh... go figure. Anyway, pass the tartar sauce..." That's as 'realistic' as a monster-movie could be.

That's just exactly it, so far the elements of this are bent towards a more mechanically precise definition of science fiction - things based on fact, calculated scientific theory, and above all plausible to our current knowledge. There's been no sign of the fantasy elements you see in other plots. Although it'd be interesting, I think that also rules out Cthulu - sorry Lovecraft fans, it'd be neat but the closest connection at this point would probably be that the fiction of his stories had some basis in the facts we are going to see supporting this movie.
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Really strange how all the recipes instructions are detailed except for what to do with the crab...they just chuck it into the sauce.

If you are to add "one crab", you should have to peel/chop it right?

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It's obvious, the monster is a giant mutated crab, duh!!

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