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Salsaman1991
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I remembered this post when I saw a John Grisham book on my desk, sorry for replying so late to it, but it has to be said.

wkelly42 wrote:
September 11 happened before the POD (point of divergence). POD is (roughly) November 2004, unless there were circumstances in Ohio that changed that led to them voting for the Dems. War in Iraq was declared in March of '03, so it happened. It's up in the air whether or not it's still going on. What I'm wondering about is the creation of the NCS, which wasn't announced until 2005 ...

It's going to be hard for us to ask "common knowledge" questions to him unless he buys the idea that we're in an alternate reality.

And City On The Edge Of Forever was one of my favorite Treks.


If you ask JC he's going to say that the CIA, FBI and all the other intelligence organizations were behind all of this the whole time and that Kerry or Bush were elected would just depend on what the CIA thought was more useful based on the image (or, in this case, it seems it was random cause things ended up almost the same as in our reality).

EDIT: The book is "The Brethren", BTW xD
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Chat with JC
maybe I brought up something I shouldn't have?

Exactly what the title says. Either I just proposed something horrible to no end....or I'm getting the game to make it's next move. Yeah, basically that... I highlighted the msit interesting points of the chat log.

Chat Log:
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[18:46:46] Salsaman1991 says: you there?
[18:46:59] JC says: Hey look, it's the smartmanman.
[18:47:01] JC says: indeed
[18:47:09] Salsaman1991 says: how you doing?
[18:47:17] JC says: Fairly well, considering.
[18:47:27] Salsaman1991 says: I encoded the message I sent you, just in case xD
[18:47:56] JC says: Well as long as we're not discussing anything sensitive, I think it's okay
[18:48:09] Salsaman1991 says: the others were trying to convince you of some sort of alternate universe thing, weren't they?
[18:48:21] JC says: or something
[18:48:56] Salsaman1991 says: alternative universes...go figure....
[18:49:14] Salsaman1991 says: not a particularly funny joke....
[18:49:19] JC says: not really, no
[18:49:54] Salsaman1991 says: if you don't mind me asking: what's up with Saul? Is he withdrawing from this or what?
[18:50:21] JC says: I'm really not sure. I mean, he was the one driving this, but now he seems less and less interested.
[18:50:29] JC says: Maybe he's busy with other things? I dont know.
[18:50:39] JC says: But I dont have the resources I need to run this down, not at all.
[18:50:50] JC says: and the more I insist, the farther he withdraws
[18:51:08] Salsaman1991 says: so weird....
[18:51:21] JC says: yeah
[18:51:32] Salsaman1991 says: we've come a long way know for him to tell us it was nothing after all...
[18:52:12] Salsaman1991 says: all trhis deal runs too deep
[18:53:29] JC says: Well, from his point of view
[18:53:41] JC says: this sortof stuff seems par for the course, I guess..
[18:53:48] JC says: tons of suspicious things like this happen all the time
[18:54:03] JC says: so who's to say our pet conspiracy is any more important than any other given one
[18:54:07] Salsaman1991 says: yeah...it must be pretty common for him....
[18:54:15] JC says: still
[18:54:18] JC says: somehow that doesnt feel right
[18:54:22] JC says: even if that's the case
[18:54:25] Salsaman1991 says: but why would he go as far as to contact someone from outside his organization?
[18:54:31] JC says: what we're looking at is.... very worrysome
[18:54:40] JC says: Well, I was the one who found the server originally
[18:54:47] Salsaman1991 says: the more you know, the more you fear...
[18:54:59] Salsaman1991 says: oh, I thought it was the other way around
[18:55:06] Salsaman1991 says: how did you find it, by the way?
[18:55:48] JC says: poking around at my job
[18:56:06] Salsaman1991 says: at the embassy?
[18:56:22] JC says: <<keep>>
[18:56:32] JC says: yeah
[18:56:38] Salsaman1991 says: you're right, sorry 'bout that
[18:57:45] JC says: just keep it in mind
[18:57:50] Salsaman1991 says: if we're being watched, it's probably from both sides....
[18:59:24] JC says: how do you mean
[19:00:08] Salsaman1991 says: I mean, fi anyone suspects us...we're being watched from both sides...y'know, the side with Saul and the others
[19:00:19] Salsaman1991 says: and the the one we're working on....
[19:00:28] JC says: if Saul knew anything about this, he would have shut me down weeks ago.
[19:00:38] JC says: that's part of the reason why I believe he's not really into this
[19:01:11] Salsaman1991 says: well, he's in this business for something, you'll never know if he does know about it or not
[19:01:24] Salsaman1991 says: perhaps he was expecting you to do this
[19:01:44] JC says: to what end?
[19:02:06] Salsaman1991 says: because he finds it sueful for you to have allies
[19:02:10] Salsaman1991 says: useful*
[19:02:49] Salsaman1991 says: otherwise, he would've shot you as soon as he had found out you had discovered it and handed the job to someone inside his organization
[19:03:23] Salsaman1991 says: I dunno if you follow my thought there...
[19:05:42] JC says: hold on
[19:07:09] Salsaman1991 says: what?
[19:07:35] Salsaman1991 says: maybe I'm reading too many Clancy novels xD Don't listen to me xD
[19:08:26] JC says: no, I'm just trying to think, to what end
[19:08:38] JC says: why would soemone want me to investigate this, but not complete the investigation?
[19:08:45] JC says: you're getting the paranoid side of me working again
[19:08:50] Salsaman1991 says: who knows...
[19:08:51] JC says: to create an ally?
[19:08:53] JC says: to what end
[19:09:04] Salsaman1991 says: to make the ivnestigation go faster
[19:09:11] Salsaman1991 says: that's pretty obvious
[19:09:14] JC says: but it's not going faster...
[19:09:18] JC says: it's almost stalled
[19:09:32] Salsaman1991 says: because he hasn't told you much lately
[19:10:10] JC says: well
[19:10:18] JC says: there's really only 1 way to test the hypothesis
[19:10:37] Salsaman1991 says: but as soon as he needs several pieces of information that he isn't able to get because he lacks time or resources, it's useful for him to have several people and just talking to one
[19:10:46] Salsaman1991 says: how?
[19:12:36] JC says: a leak
[19:12:38] JC says: a big one

[19:13:01] Salsaman1991 says: what do you suggest?
[19:13:08] JC says: I dunno
[19:13:19] Salsaman1991 says: one of us should do it, not you...
[19:13:36] JC says: But it would have to be big enough that the government couldnt plausably say they didnt notice

[19:13:54] JC says: are you volunteering?
[19:13:57] Salsaman1991 says: that needs to be planned carefully
[19:14:00] Salsaman1991 says: no problem
[19:14:29] Salsaman1991 says: I'm all over the internet, plus, if we get the people from the team to digg it or something like that, we'll get the attention we need
[19:14:46] Salsaman1991 says: I wouldn't know what to leak, though
[19:14:58] JC says: Yeah, there are two sides to it
[19:15:04] JC says: What information is the most damning
[19:15:12] JC says: what would be the most sensational
[19:15:19] JC says: and
[19:15:41] Salsaman1991 says: and which one will get Saul to talk....
[19:16:11] JC says: In all fairness

[19:16:13] Salsaman1991 says: anyways, I'm off. I'll be back in 20 minutes or so... unless you need something right now from me
[19:16:20] JC says: you should probably talk this over with the Knights, when you get a chance.
[19:16:26] JC says: whatever we end up doing
[19:16:30] JC says: it should be a group decision
[19:16:37] Salsaman1991 says: right, I'll tell 'em
[19:16:40] JC says: since you guys have been with me almost from the beginning on this
[19:17:04] JC says: alright
[19:17:07] Salsaman1991 says: sounds fair. Well, see ya in half an hour...
[19:17:17] JC says: I'll probably be gone for a bit when you come back
[19:17:18] Salsaman1991 is away. This is an auto-reply message.

[19:17:19] JC says: but I should be on later
[19:17:27] Salsaman1991 says: ok


Maybe we're getting JC into too much risk with this... Well, what do you guys think?

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, but I thought it was necessary since it has nothing to do with the last one.
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I suppose the most sensitive thing to "leak" would be to say that the government is ignoring the fact that the Saudi's have (or had) nukes.

What else is there?
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I SECOND
THAT

EMOTION!! What else would it or could it be? Cool

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Cr0ybot wrote:
I suppose the most sensitive thing to "leak" would be to say that the government is ignoring the fact that the Saudi's have (or had) nukes.

What else is there?


Of course, but to what extent? I mean, shall we tell who told us? How we found the guy and what he found (and how he found it)?

Seems like the location we found (the one near Al Madinah) would be something to say. Telling people about AQ Kahn and how he's free right now would (if we really wanted to do such a thing in reality) upset the masses and make the government react. Saul's identity shouldn't be revealed, otherwise, he'll be killed, just like JC. Perhaps, the fact that the Echelon exists and is tapping every conversation out there in the continent would be something inteteresting too.

Whatever we do, we should tag it as Red-Monday related (not the fictional event, but the GAME). In order to not make a horrible mess. I'd be willing to do it, but I don't want to take a step further without the group's approval (and maybe some help on what exactly to mention xD).
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We could leak the 'Red Monday' event itself, given how sinister it sounds with the whole nuke thing and the AQ Khan connections.
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Degausser wrote:
We could leak the 'Red Monday' event itself, given how sinister it sounds with the whole nuke thing and the AQ Khan connections.


Well, that's got a little myestery too, 'cause we don't know what it is either. Nor does JC, and perhaps not even Saul. Maybe we could use it to attract people into the whole deal. I'd love to see what would happen if we were to overload the PM with new people getting into the game... I hope it doesn't dirve him crazy.
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Well... we could always edit the Wikipedia articles of everyone and everything involved to include information about what we've found and Red Monday. It gets enough traffic.

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JohnJimJoeBob wrote:
Well... we could always edit the Wikipedia articles of everyone and everything involved to include information about what we've found and Red Monday. It gets enough traffic.


Yeah, but the moderators would instantly revert it...
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And I msure if we told the public or leaked it we would have another Aqua Team Hunger Force/ Boston incident. lol
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Darren Knight wrote:
And I msure if we told the public or leaked it we would have another Aqua Team Hunger Force/ Boston incident. lol


That's exactly what I'm worried about with this. It's too close to reality to do something like this. Maybe one of us should write something up, and give it to JC to "fact check" and send out.
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What if...

Humor me for a moment...

What if some big conspiracy buff believes that something is going down in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan involving nukes or whatnot based on current events, etc. and decided to make up a bunch of stuff and show it to the public in the form of an Alternate Reality Game (otherwise, it may just be filtered out along with all of the other conspiracy theories on the net), in which the ultimate goal is to stir up some big-time publicity with an in-game "leak"?

Just a thought...

The PM is probably laughing right now.
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Conspiracy theory ARGs? next up, "November 22: The JFK ARG!

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Introducing our newest recruit, darknightmare11689.

He's my cousin. Smile
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We can simply have a dynamic webpage somewhere that starts by asking who the president is.

If they answer Bush, redirect them to www.red-monday.com


If they answer Kerry, post leaked information.

heh, just an idea.

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