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How long has Slusho been sold in Japan IG?
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W-Three
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That also has some relevance to the Slusho-as-monster-catnip theory. Given that Slusho has already saturated Japan, wouldn't the monster attack Tokyo instead of NYC? But, then, it's a big world, and maybe NYC is just closer to the monster's 'home' - so, that theory could still work.



True, but combine this with the awakened-monster theory, things start to take shape.

Admittedly though, its all pure speculation.

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The frozen flavor mixture, which has become the second most popular frozen beverage in Asia over the past two years, plans to increase Asian production and seek out distributors in Western markets in the near future.


It sounds like it's been two years.

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It's meant to be frozen but it was said that one one of the AGR sites that the people in america took a great liking to mixing slusho with other alchoholic drinks. Perhaps this, along with it no longer being frozen/near frozen is a cause or a clue in this ever growing mystery.

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The Internet wrote:
It's meant to be frozen but it was said that one one of the AGR sites that the people in america took a great liking to mixing slusho with other alchoholic drinks. Perhaps this, along with it no longer being frozen/near frozen is a cause or a clue in this ever growing mystery.


It doesn't say anything about the people of america :

"Slusho! has grown to the second most popular frozen drink in all Asian markets. Hip adult drinkers have begun concocting deliciously intoxicating alcoholic mix drinks starring Slusho! "

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Ok, so when did Ganu discover the secret Slusho ingredient? In the Company history, it says he took over in 1989:

"In 1989, a brilliant young engineer named Ganu Yoshida was in search of an avenue to support his off-shore drilling revelations."

"revelations" is an odd word to use here, so I had initially thought of the secret ingredient. But, then, it says:

"First order of business was to build the Jimmu Drilling Station in the Inland Sea, named after the founder of Japan and the descendent of the sun goddess Amaterasu.The company's new focus had been discovered -- deep sea Petroleum excavation."

No mention of any undersea 'stuff' that could/would be used in Slusho! Just drilling for oil - nothing more. And, since the company's website is all agog about Slusho's success, there's no reason they wouldn't mention it, if that were the chief aim of the company - to find more of this sea nectar/honey.

If Slusho only hit the Japanese market 2 years ago, then they probably didn't find the sea nectar/honey back in 1989. But, it's still possible that they found it long ago, but hadn't decided to use it in a beverage until Ganu had his "dream" (from the Slusho History page), so we really don't know. If they didn't find it in 1989, then it was probably discovered at one of the other stations. One thing that might be important, in this regard, is the fact that 5 stations (Kosho, Koan, Korei, Kogen, and Kaika) became operational on the same day - Feb. 25, 1995. This means that the company got a big infusion of $$, right? I dunno - any business/economics people out there want to offer an opinion about this?

In any case, it seems like the construction/operation of the new Chuai station, in the Atlantic, is going to be a catalyst for the monster attack on NYC. But, whenever they found the secret ingredient, it was at least 2 years ago, which means they found it at another drilling site - which makes it unlikely that there's any direct link between the secret ingredient and the monster, e.g., the catnip (monsternip?) theory.

Then again, if this is a 'natural' monster, then there's got to be more than 1 of them. So, maybe the double-hulled ship upgrades were a response to mysterious incidents at the other stations...? Anyway, we should try to assemble a time-line, w/an eye to determining when and where the secret ingredient was first discovered - I mean, if there is any direct link between that discovery and the monster.

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Its my first post here, so if Im out of line, cut me some slack. Confused

Ok, heres another crackpot theory with tendrils snaked in truth. With what we know about Deep Sea Nectar (DSN) so far, we can glean that its meant to ingested, and that it needs to be chilled to effective/tasty. What if something bad happens if it gets warm, like causes mutation, or gigantism or brings out aggressive tendencies (ala don't feed Mogwai after 12 or don't get him wet) and that certain creatures that subsist on it live perfectly normal, happy lives feeding on it in pressurized, cold environments. What if mankind discovered it, started ingesting it and then releasing it into NY harbor just like all the caffeine that gets released into Boston Harbor. As the waste & sediment from the human population washes out to sea like the nitrates that causes the sea urchin population explosions and coral reef degradation, it affects the creatures being stirred up by the harvesting of the DSN and global warming (remember its 69 deg. In NYC in January!) and they/it head for the source of the warm DSN for revenge. Also, isn't revenge is a dish best served cold? Just like Slusho!

Sources:
Boston Harbor- http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/0025326x/2002/00000044/00000005/art00176
Coral Reefs-
http://www.globalcoral.org/CORAL%20REEFS.%20SEWAGE,%20AND%20WATER%20QUALITY%20STANDARDS.htm

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in reply to Melampus's post

my theory is that they didn't put the special ingredient on market because they were still conducting tests. These tests failed and supplies ran out at each station they opened so they opened more, each time trying new approaches to make it edible and stuff up until two years ago when they found that freezing it ensures it is consumable and therefore able to put on the market and distribute it.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^
That's an interesting idea, keeno_82uk. I like the idea of Ganu & Co. looking for more of the ingredient; but, there's no mention - not even a hint - of such a search in the Company History. There's no reason they'd hide that either, since their success seems to owe a lot to Slusho. So, I don't see the Company using "Petroleum excavation" as some kind of 'front' or 'cover' for looking for the secret ingredient. That said, once they found this stuff and/or decided it could be used in Slusho, they could factor that into their decisions about where/when to establish future drilling stations.

The fact is we don't know when/where this stuff was discovered. For all we know, it might not have been discovered at a drilling site at all.

And, Mirrorful, welcome! That idea - of Slusho being in NYC sewers and contaminating the harbor/ocean - it's been kicked around before (or version of it). It's an interesting idea, but the problem with it is that Slusho has been in Japan for at least 2 years, but it hasn't yet been unleased on the American markets (accord. to the Targuato website). So, if that theory is plausible, it would've happened in Tokyo's harbor, not New York's.

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Mirrorful wrote:
Its my first post here, so if Im out of line, cut me some slack. Confused

Ok, heres another crackpot theory with tendrils snaked in truth. With what we know about Deep Sea Nectar (DSN) so far, we can glean that its meant to ingested, and that it needs to be chilled to effective/tasty. What if something bad happens if it gets warm, like causes mutation, or gigantism or brings out aggressive tendencies (ala don't feed Mogwai after 12 or don't get him wet) and that certain creatures that subsist on it live perfectly normal, happy lives feeding on it in pressurized, cold environments. What if mankind discovered it, started ingesting it and then releasing it into NY harbor just like all the caffeine that gets released into Boston Harbor. As the waste & sediment from the human population washes out to sea like the nitrates that causes the sea urchin population explosions and coral reef degradation, it affects the creatures being stirred up by the harvesting of the DSN and global warming (remember its 69 deg. In NYC in January!) and they/it head for the source of the warm DSN for revenge. Also, isn't revenge is a dish best served cold? Just like Slusho!

Sources:
Boston Harbor- http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/0025326x/2002/00000044/00000005/art00176
Coral Reefs-
http://www.globalcoral.org/CORAL%20REEFS.%20SEWAGE,%20AND%20WATER%20QUALITY%20STANDARDS.htm


Honestly, I think alot of this can be explained with my extremophiles findings which were sadly overlooked with all this colbyrook nonsense. Confused
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21345

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I'm thinking that slusho......... isn't going to be a big deal in the grand scheme of all of this. I think we are going to find out more and more about this Tagruato Corperation. Possibly through its subsidiaries, one by one. Next up possibly the next most innocent: parafFun and then possibly to the medical research or Bold Futura. Each subsidiary leading us to believe Tagruato is a little shady. Each will have ties to this deep sea product, which will probably tie everything together and be the link to the monster in some way. I think we may even be past the whole slusho thing and we need to have our sights set on Tagruato by way of its other subsidiaries.

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I'm guessing that Ganu discovered the "secret ingredient" right before 1995.

Ganu left his mother's drink business to his cousin (Slusho.jp), Danno Jo (surmised from article on Tagruato stating that the company's COO and Ganu's cousin is Jo).

Since "Ganu rejoined his cousin", I would surmise these events would have taken place in 1995, or slightly before if there was a big injection of money into the business.

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I am really on the fence with Slusho! right now. I tend to agree with you Finch, concerning the decline in Slusho! related instances. However, they really put a lot of time and energy into the creation of the website and the shirts/hat's. By selling the Slusho! clothing line, they are probably adding a little money to their film budget. Is it even enough to matter? IDK. Just a thought that interests me lately.

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Melampus wrote:
...Anyway, we should try to assemble a time-line, w/an eye to determining when and where the secret ingredient was first discovered - I mean, if there is any direct link between that discovery and the monster.


I agree...let's assemble a timeline.

Slusho! history wrote:
And one fateful day, he and his teammates discovered a deep sea ingredient
unique to anything else!!!!
While the team pondered miraculous ways to use it, Ganu had the best idea of all!!
Because that night he had a dream - he was a tiny fish, and a whale came and
told him to drink the new ingredient. And as he did drink lots and lots of the ingredient,
Ganu grew from a small fish into an enormous whale!!!
He woke up with tears, he knew he had found the magic ingredient Noriko had
set off to find!…..
He re-joined with his cousin, and combining the incredible drink-making knowledge of
Noriko's business with the new ingredient, SLUSHO! came to
life!!!!!!


And ...

Tagruato's investor news wrote:
The frozen flavor mixture, which has become the second most popular frozen beverage in Asia over the past two years, plans to increase Asian production and seek out distributors in Western markets in the near future.

Slusho!'s considerable growth over the last year has helped the company take what began as a small, experimental venture in villages throughout Honshu to what could very well become a global phenomenon


We're in 2007...Ganu merged with his cousin, establishing Slusho!, seemingly two years ago when the secret ingerdient was located (after having his prophetic dream).

This brings us to 1995 when 5 new drilling stations opened simultaneously:
* Korie Sat, Feb 25, 1995
* Koan Sat, Feb 25, 1995
* Kosho Sat, Feb 25, 1995
* Kogen Sat, Feb 25, 1995
* Kaika Sat, Feb 25, 1995

Seems like a good start...any objections??


On other note...
I think the DSN crude (Kaitei no mitsu) was found while searching for petroleoum...
at the time of it's discovery Ganu was already a lead ocean scientist and fledgling oil tycoon.
The dream caused Ganu to look into the distinct, and newly found crude,
and realize it's economic potential, as well as / that would result in the exploitation of, it's unparalleled properties regarding the human condition.
I typed this quick...am I off base??
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Mirrorful
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Right Red Walrus, but I was hoping to find some reasons for the extremeophile behavior that falls in line with the Bad Robot way of thinking.

And as far as Tokyo goes, whos to say theres not the same thing going on in Tokyo? Didnt someone mention something about double walled boats? But since this is an attempt at making an American monster movie with a focus on NYC...

Finch, the emphasis now seems to be the DSN, an ingredient of Slusho, what with the marketing push and the recipe card. So youre correct, but its still an important peice of the big picture puzzle.

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Mirrorful wrote:

Finch, the emphasis now seems to be the DSN, an ingredient of Slusho, what with the marketing push and the recipe card. So youre correct, but its still an important peice of the big picture puzzle.


I think the biggest purpose of the DSN was to lead us to Tagruato, which it did. I think all the subsidiaries will be based around DSN and that will tie it all together. Bold Futura possibly to make machines or vehicles to harvest or possibly weapons to protect interests in it. ParafFun using it in its products like Slusho! does and I think we already have reference to the medical research department using at least something from the sea right? My guess is DSN. I think the most probable trigger of the monster isn't the DSN but Tagruato's harvesting of it. Just my guesses, no wrong answers at this point at least, lol.

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