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[SPEC]How the monster awakens
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Be@rbrick
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If we assume that the monster isn't an alien or mythical creature, I think the monster must be an as of yet undiscovered creature. I think we have deduced that the creature has some properties of extremophiles and that it was distrubed and woken up by drilling. Additionally, it is not any currently known species of extremophile based on the fact that the monster must have functional legs to walk through NYC and currently known species are far too small. I don't think we've really been able to conclusively rule out extreme mutation due to over exposure to DSN, so at this time, has to remain on the table as plausible. I think we have to look at mutation as a serious option, as someone pointed out, a creature that lives at the bottom of the ocean most likely wont have fully developed legs OR the creature isn't from the ocean, but rather a test animal aboard the Chuai station gone wild.

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I completely agree w/ Melampus…the back story need make little sense in order for the audacity and intensity of the beast to manipulate the box office and our heart and minds.

It's Hollywood folks. The monster can be a randomly mutated and hugely abnormal extremophile, exponentially developing beyond imaginations…an undiscovered prehistoric dino-whale w/ functional appendages, buried through continental drifts and plate tectonics.

It can be and do whatever it wants and get away with it scott-free.
If dirty politicians can do it w/ relative success, Jabrams certainly can (we like him).

Although it wasn't the primary antagonist, the black smoke monster served its purpose w/o a back-story. It inserted a sense of fear in the cast and a sense of unknown to the audience, breeding speculation and anticipation.

It seems the one thing Bad Robot offers consistently is a knack for us to allow them to stretch the boundaries of what is realistic…it seems successful so far potentially because of the interconnectivity of myth (ominous conspiratorial ranks, Bloop, etc.) combined w/ calculated "blanks".
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Dr. Awkward wrote:
I completely agree w/ Melampus…the back story need make little sense in order for the audacity and intensity of the beast to manipulate the box office and our heart and minds.

It's Hollywood folks. The monster can be a randomly mutated and hugely abnormal extremophile, exponentially developing beyond imaginations…an undiscovered prehistoric dino-whale w/ functional appendages, buried through continental drifts and plate tectonics.

It can be and do whatever it wants and get away with it scott-free.
If dirty politicians can do it w/ relative success, Jabrams certainly can (we like him).

Although it wasn't the primary antagonist, the black smoke monster served its purpose w/o a back-story. It inserted a sense of fear in the cast and a sense of unknown to the audience, breeding speculation and anticipation.

It seems the one thing Bad Robot offers consistently is a knack for us to allow them to stretch the boundaries of what is realistic…it seems successful so far potentially because of the interconnectivity of myth (ominous conspiratorial ranks, Bloop, etc.) combined w/ calculated "blanks".


I agree, everyone seems to think this thing will be steeped in science fact. There's no proof of that and frankly most of these scientific explainations seem boring, at least to me.

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I have to say it (I know I will get some flak) but a lot of "facts" that we have is pointing to a Cthulhu inspired monster.

There I said it, I guess I just want to believe that they are…

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i too agree with this saying

"I agree, everyone seems to think this thing will be steeped in science fact. There's no proof of that and frankly most of these scientific explainations seem boring, at least to me."

Science.... boring. been through that at school, slept through the talks there and sleep through the essays on here. Wheres the fun facts ppl? Question

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rjharris1960
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An alien as the cloverfield monster would be much more exciting, no?

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Finch
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rjharris1960 wrote:
An alien as the cloverfield monster would be much more exciting, no?


I'd prefer a "mystery of the deep we never knew existed other than an occasional bloop"

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I'm not too fussed where it comes from so long as it kicks some righteous ass...

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I agree...

... with Red Walrus about Yoshida Medical Research. I think they will have something to do with this in some fashion (if only to add extra exclamation points in the story). I just re-read the "Day in the life" of Dr. Takahashi. A lot of discovering going on there - there has to be SOME kind of connection. Also, Bold Futura has a military/arms connection, too (just to throw that out there). I have a feeling that all of these subsidiaries have something to do with the how/what/why of this monster...

Dr. Awkward, your analogies cracked me in half! Laughing

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Re: I agree...

dontlookmyage wrote:
... with Red Walrus about Yoshida Medical Research...Dr. Awkward, your analogies cracked me in half! Laughing

You may (or may not Shocked Silly) get a kick outta this . Wink
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LMAO!

That's precisely to what I was referring! Too funny!

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nyc_jester
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Monster motive
Yoshida=Ahab?

OK, this might get far-fetched, but the hay...it's specualtion, right?

What if the drilling sites are just a facade in a grand revenge scheme by Ganu Yoshida? Think back to the Slusho bio. Yoshida's mom heads out to sea only she never returns? What if she was attacked by a big friggin' monster in an incident that the Japanese government covered up to avoid societal panic. Yoshida gets pissed and uses the drilling sites to try and root out the monster and destroy it, thus avenging his mother. Along the way, he assembles the riches necessary to fund his revenge plot, finally locates the monster at the Chuai station and destroys it. However, what Yoshida didn't count on was the fact that he had stumbled upon a colony of the creatures at the ocean floor. Angered, the creatures fan off in different directions, emerging not just in New York, but along coastlines all over the world (from the location of the Chuai station, it is reasonable to assume that New York gets attacked first).

In essence, thousands of people are killed because of one man's thirst for revenge!

OK, that made it sound like a Steven Segal movie, but I think you get my point.

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Okay, so we're saying some theories are far fetched and that it would be impossible or make it a bad movie... I mean come on; as movie-watchers we seem to accept much of the schlock Hollywood shoves down our throat. Let's break down some of this far fetched stuff, shall we?

* Robots of alien origin come to earth and exist for a few decades disguised as mommy's overpriced SUV.

* Leonardo DiCaprio cast as Howard Hughes.

* Island of giant apes--giant ape falls for human chick that's smaller than his opposable thumb.

* Raptors turn door handles.

* Snakes on a plane, need I say more?

* Aliens stage an invasion of the earth, only to be defeated by a quickly assembled computer virus; and conveniently on US Independence Day.

* The evolution of the human race involves everyone getting unique powers--and it happens in less than two generations.

* When Air Force One is taken over by terrorists, the President himself goes medieval on their asses.

* When earth is in danger of being destroyed by an meteor, a crack team of well-diggers is dispatched into space to save he planet.

* The ice age arrives pretty much overnight.

* The last samurai is an American.

So do I doubt that all this speculation could lead to something as inane as a monster from the deep destroying New York, not just because it can (because if I were a giant monster, I probably would too--and some other cities alike), but because it's been disturbed, or its food source is now inside some tasty-crunchy humans, or because it used a monster-sized iphone to track down the guy who woke him up or did him harm so he can tell him what-for... do I doubt it could be that lame? No. Not in the slightest. I'm hoping that JJ will respect his audience more than that; but frankly, I'm bracing myself for something extremely lame. In my experience, the more the hype, the bigger pile of poop it is. Look at Titanic.

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HerOdyssey wrote:
Okay, so we're saying some theories are far fetched and that it would be impossible or make it a bad movie... I mean come on; as movie-watchers we seem to accept much of the schlock Hollywood shoves down our throat.

I don't, but then I don't go to see as many movies as I'd like even though I'd skip most of them anwyay.
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Let's break down some of this far fetched stuff, shall we?

Yes, let's - this should be fun!
I'm going to abbreviate to what I'm inclined and able to respond to.
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* Leonardo DiCaprio cast as Howard Hughes.

Yeah, that's a joke. Never seen the movie though.
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* Island of giant apes--giant ape falls for human chick that's smaller than his opposable thumb.

There are people that actually like midget porn too.
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* Raptors turn door handles.

If a cat can do it...
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* The evolution of the human race involves everyone getting unique powers--and it happens in less than two generations.

We can only hope?
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* When Air Force One is taken over by terrorists, the President himself goes medieval on their asses.

If we had the right sort of President, I could believe that, really.
As long as we keep electing men that are rich troublemakers or like to play hide the stogie, no.
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* When earth is in danger of being destroyed by an meteor, a crack team of well-diggers is dispatched into space to save he planet.

We put people on the moon with less computing power than a 70's calculator. The engineers in the space program initially forgot humans have to pee. Duct tape helped save the crew of Apollo 13.
What I have a hard time believing is that Bruce Willis is all that particularly tough.
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Look at Titanic.

I've managed not to so far, I'd like to keep it that way.

This is of course in humor.
I do see your point though, I just think that JJ loves engendering wild speculation but would appear to be trying his best to deliver something a bit more realistically grounded than what he inspires his fans to conjecture.
At least, let's hope so.
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HerOdyssey wrote:
Okay, so we're saying some theories are far fetched and that it would be impossible or make it a bad movie... I mean come on; as movie-watchers we seem to accept much of the schlock Hollywood shoves down our throat. Let's break down some of this far fetched stuff, shall we?

* Robots of alien origin come to earth and exist for a few decades disguised as mommy's overpriced SUV.

* Leonardo DiCaprio cast as Howard Hughes.

* Island of giant apes--giant ape falls for human chick that's smaller than his opposable thumb.

* Raptors turn door handles.

* Snakes on a plane, need I say more?

* Aliens stage an invasion of the earth, only to be defeated by a quickly assembled computer virus; and conveniently on US Independence Day.

* The evolution of the human race involves everyone getting unique powers--and it happens in less than two generations.

* When Air Force One is taken over by terrorists, the President himself goes medieval on their asses.

* When earth is in danger of being destroyed by an meteor, a crack team of well-diggers is dispatched into space to save he planet.

* The ice age arrives pretty much overnight.

* The last samurai is an American.

So do I doubt that all this speculation could lead to something as inane as a monster from the deep destroying New York, not just because it can (because if I were a giant monster, I probably would too--and some other cities alike), but because it's been disturbed, or its food source is now inside some tasty-crunchy humans, or because it used a monster-sized iphone to track down the guy who woke him up or did him harm so he can tell him what-for... do I doubt it could be that lame? No. Not in the slightest. I'm hoping that JJ will respect his audience more than that; but frankly, I'm bracing myself for something extremely lame. In my experience, the more the hype, the bigger pile of poop it is. Look at Titanic.


Laughing Absolutely Laughing Freakin' Laughing Brilliant! Every entry on that list is hilarious. It's the last one that's the kicker though. Too funny. Worshippy

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