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Melampus
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Teddy & Jamie: More Than Meets the Eye?

I lied - I got A LOT more. This is really long, but it couldn't be helped - I think I've pieced together a story about Teddy & Jamie, from the comments between the girls (Lily, Lena, Beth & Jamie) on myspace. It's all very circumstantial, so each piece by itself is pretty thin, but altogether, I think it works. If I'm right, then "chin strap" is/was Teddy.

The story begins on Jul 16, with a comment from Lena to Lily: "Hey girl! So much fun last night! After you left, Chin Strap asked for my number. I gave him Jason's."

Lily responded with: "Oh my god, such a good time! So that explains why Jason got a message on his cell from some guy asking him to dinner at Barbetta..."

Someone mentioned, way back at the beginning, that Barbetta was a very expensive place, and it is. So, "chin strap" was wealthy (or at least, trying to come across that way). Anyway, he hit on Lena, but she was not impressed. She gave him Jason's cell and he called it (that's important for later, and it's confirmed in Lily's response above). Also important: there's no indication that Jamie was out with Lena, Lily and Hawk that night. Finally, I imagine Jamie and Lena have regular 'haunts' so it's plausible that Jamie could be hit on by that same guy on a later night.

The next comment is on Aug. 13 - it's a Monday morning-after comment from Lena to Jamie: "Girl! You were out of control this weekend! We need to compare notes on Sat night, I have some holes I need filled in. How did we get home?!" I sugges that Sat. night (8/11) was the fateful night that Jamie and Teddy hooked up (or, the night Teddy seduced Jamie). Note that Lena got so hammered she couldn't remember a lot about the night; and, "how did we get home" could mean Jamie went home w/a guy, i.e., Teddy.

One week later, on Fri., Aug. 31, Jamie is depressed about a guy. From Lena to Jamie: "Someone needs cheering up. Girls night out! We have a three day weekend, I bet we could meet a new guy each night. I know you're quivering in antici...." (nice Rocky Horror ref., Lena). Jamie is uncharacteristically depressed over a brief fling, or 1-night stand. Either she thought it was more serious than it was, and now Teddy isn't calling and/or can't be reached; or, Teddy already told her he was leaving town soon, and while she initially shrugged it off (being Jamie), she now finds herself totally hung up on him, and she doesn't want him to leave. Either way, the key is that she can't reach him - you'll see why in a sec, read on...

The next Wednesday, Sept. 5, Lily posts the following on Beth's myspace in reply to an earlier comment from Beth asking Lily to go shopping w/her: "That's so funny, I was going to ask you the same thing. How's Satuday morning? Just call me when you get out of work, I have to talk to you about something." Oooh, some drama going on. Problems with Hawk? Maybe. Or, maybe Lily (and Lena) are worried about Jamie. Six minutes later, Lena sent the following to Jamie: "No, you cannot make chicken nuggets in the mircrowave. You really need to get out of your apartment." Jamie's been depressed for a whole week, and now she isn't leaving her apartment. Lena's trying to draw her out, and Lily is going to fill Beth in on Lena's and Lily's concerns about Jamie's uncharacteristic hang up over this guy.

5 minutes after Lena posted her microwave comment, Jamie posted this on Rob's myspace page: "Next time you see your brother? Tell him he's an insensitive asshole." Why the hostility toward Jason, Jamie? Ans.: because Jason had "chin strap"'s number on his cell-phone! Jamie was trying desperately (for either reason mentioned above) to reach Teddy. She knew, or found out randomly by talking to Jason, that he had Teddy's number on his cell-phone; he either gave it to her then but also said some "insensitive" things, or he was just being obnoxious (and stoned) and wouldn't give it to her - he may have thought it was funny. As we'll soon discover, this day of crisis for Jamie (Sept. 5) was the day before Teddy left NYC.

Five days later, on Monday, Jamie is overjoyed. She's not only been in contact w/Teddy, but her friend(s) let her use (and/or showed her how to use) a webcam to make videos to send to him, and it worked like a charm. Jamie tells Lena the good news on Mon., Sept. 10: "Hey girl! Well that certainly got his attention. Teddy-bear called me each of the last three days, and each time we've ended up talking for like 3 hours. I miss the man behind the voice! He says he already watched it ten times and demanded more!"

Lena responds minutes later, and she's clearly not as excited about the success of the video: "I'm glad it worked for you, honey. I knew if he could just bear witness to your hotness, he'd never stray. Though I still don't think you should have to work so hard." I'll bet dollars to donuts that the reference to "work[ing] so hard" for Teddy's attention is a reference to Jamie's attempts to track him down, which culminated in her getting the number from Jason. That points to Jamie being depressed because Teddy simply didn't bother to call after their "redic" night of passion.

Now, with all this in mind, watch those two videos again. In the 1st one, Jamie says "I know you've only been gone for a day" and in her comment to Lena (above), she said that Teddy had called her "each of the last three days." So, Teddy watched the video on Friday, Sept. 7, and he left town (or the country) on Sept. 6 (9/6). So, Sept. 5 - when Jamie wouldn't leave her apartment, and she was snapping at Jason, and Lily had to talk to Beth about something - that was the day before Teddy left. Also, Lena is clearly trying to steer Jamie away from Teddy ("the best way to get over someone is to get under someone else"). Why? Because she met him as "chin strap" and something about Teddy didn't sit right with Lena; and/or Lena is smart enough to know that a guy asking a girl out to Barbetta isn't going to be very impressed w/someone like Jamie - at least, not for very long. Jamie comes across as a ditz w/the poetry recitation, and the last bit where the camera is accidentally left on - well, 'nuff said. And, in the 2nd video, Jamie is hammered. Despite all that, Teddy still sent her that lovely looking gift... and, for more on that, see my post a few before this one about The Watchmen. [Although, all of this stuff still holds, I think, regardless of whether the Watchmen stuff ends up being on-track or not].

Ok, that's it. Done. A million apologies for the length; but, I had to get it all out. SO... Whaddya think?

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Wow, you certainly did your homework and I'd like to thank you for putting that all together in chronological order for us. I wasn't really closely following the Myspace pages and I feel you caught me up a little Very Happy . How do you feel about jamieandteddy.com being registered in Teddy's name and being created on Aug. 27th? Does that whois info work into your theories or do you think maybe at least the date was OOG taking into consideration its hard to nail down specific creation dates that work into the game?

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I really like the first part of your theory, that's pretty awesome and one of the best ones I've read so far. Reminds me of a professor I had who used to say that the day we have world peace is the day we get attacked by aliens (or a monster, I suppose).

The second part, while I commend your meticulous organization, doesn't quite sit right with me. I'm not inclined to believe that chin strap and Teddy are the same person (btw - my guess is "chin strap" is a cruel nickname because the guy had some unfortunate placement of facial hair). Jamie said something about how she'd seen Teddy at Light and had been waiting for a while for him to approach her. So it seems like at least one of those times Jamie was there with Marlena and would've pointed him out. Also, we don't know for certain that Jamie wasn't there on chin strap night... after all Jamie & Marlena are roommates, why post something on myspace when they can just walk into the next room and talk about it?

It would explain Marlena's reluctance to encourage the Jamie-Teddy thing, yes, but I don't think that necessarily means that Teddy hit on Marlena - I mean, she could just not like Teddy because he's shady, a player, or the fact that Jamie's so pressed over a guy she's known for a few weeks and is leaving town, which isn't exactly healthy. I'm inclined to think Marlena is just being a good friend and realizes that this dude isn't right for Jamie.

But regardless, it's a good theory you posted, keep it up!

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Dead-ends I've come to

Music on SLUSHO! main page being "ARK" in Morse Code (True but the SLUSHO! theme has nothing to do with anything, right?)
Number of cups on Front Page
SLUSHO! Flavor bots
Constantly typing in URLS linking to possible unreleased pics on 1-18-08.com
Theory of the Monster being Chuck Norris
Theory of the Monster being a Lion
ckrox.com (Besides being uberly creepy, its some Flash Site Creator's website)
Slusho! Mutating people
Slusho! calling Aliens from the depths of space
etc

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Heheheh did anyone forget the morse code on the slusho page with the hands in the blackened fans?

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Finch wrote:
How do you feel about jamieandteddy.com being registered in Teddy's name and being created on Aug. 27th? Does that whois info work into your theories or do you think maybe at least the date was OOG taking into consideration its hard to nail down specific creation dates that work into the game?


The fact that Jamie made video 1 on Sept. 7th, and that Teddy left NYC on Sept. 6th comes from the the Sept. 10 myspace comment from Jamie to Lena about the "three days" of calls from Teddy since he first watched the video, and from the video itself ("I know you've only been gone a day"). So, I think those dates are pretty secure.

If the site is registered in Teddy's name, does that mean it had to have been started by Teddy? Or, could it have been started by Jamie, but she just used Teddy's name? If it was Teddy who started it, and he just waited around to let Jamie know about it, then the date could work, could be an IG date (it's after their 8/11 hookup anyway). In that case, Teddy may have told her he was leaving on 9/6, she got depressed, he made the site but didn't tell her, she got more depressed, then he told her about the site (and prob. gave her the cam. equip as well) right before he left. That kind of "surprise" would fit w/Teddy's gift-giving habits. If Jamie made the site, then the date is tricky, but not impossible. It would have to mean that she knew he was leaving, though - but, that's ok. If Jamie made the site, it'd be a better fit w/my speculation if she had made it later than 8/27 (i.e., on 9/5); but, it can still work.

And, jojo, there's nothing in that blog entry on Jamie's myspace that conflicts w/my lengthy tirade of speculation about Jamie & Teddy. I don't think Jamie was w/Lena and Lily the night they met "chin strap" because there's no comments between Jamie and them about that night - I'm going off of what we've been told, and we were only told that Lena, Lily and Hawk were there. Jamie could have been w/Lena at Light, those times she had Teddy 'in her sights.' Sure, why not? All that means is that Jamie was noticing him and probably throwing meaningful looks his way (over Lena's shoulder no doubt). In fact, that would actually support the idea of the same guy being "chin strap" and Teddy.

Reading through it again, the whole blog entry seems sadly delusional: she says she "made him work for it" as though she was the one with all the power (in their 'relationship'); meanwhile, she's not leaving the apartment b/c she's so depressed and hung up on him, and when she finally brightens up, Lena says "Though I still don't think you should have to work so hard." Also, she takes passing up hot-tubbing w/the Knicks as a sign of a real bond between her and Teddy. Whoever Teddy is, would he really be impressed by that? She says she was "plenty into him while he was here" and that seems to imply that they've spent some quality time together; more than a night, anyway. But, then, she explains that this just means she was noticing him for weeks before he finally approached her. Again, that's not necessary a sign of what Jamie takes it to be - that she was making Teddy work for it; it could just mean that Teddy wasn't interested. Remember: we're only getting Jamie's side to all this.

Ok, I'll stop pushing for this, since it's all speculation. Still, I think it ties together the bulk of the myspace comments between the characters, and makes those comments more than just fluff, so I'm sticking with it (until something better comes along). Maybe I shouldn't have posted all this in the "Dead-End Boneyard" Doh! Smile

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My favorite dead theory is the Slusho mixer. You know, if we get the exact amount of the right flavors, the result would... I don't know, but something amazing, unexpected and delicious.
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"11 Dollar Man" seems to have a 'chin-strap'.
He couldn't be Teddy...could he?

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Something we may be neglecting
original Trailer

Please forgive me if i am being Repeditive, To me, the only piece of evidence we know for a fact is related to the movie is the trailer, we should be corroborating our story of the game now, on what we know will happen, ie sequentiually: GROWL/Flatulance/Imodium @ 12:00, Huge explosion of something combustable(underground?underwater? above ground?), rocks and crap flying out of the explosion. and then the monster (for Arguements sake) i will call "grumpypants" fires the SOL head down the street. How did this happen?

Tagawanger Corp
Drilling, but the location i see on the map is half way to london, an explosion wouldnt be seen in NYC if it was born from the drilling out there? what does the time tell us about the drilling? was a new phase of drilling started? Was a shipment of slusho being brought to NYC and Grumpypants hitched a ride?


Parafun is perplexing, seems like they also use this as a sealant/adhesive to contain things, this is interesting given our known evidence, did they catch this thing? try to make it produce slusho for jaime's Short Urinary tract?

the pics at 1-18-08,
something that i found interesting is this whole Japanses thing they keep introducing, i dont know what type of protagonist the japanese are goin to have, but the scary dude and the pics on the page led us to myspace, so to me these pics are just as circumstantial as the myspace p-files

Ketel One and Slusho Cosmo-Jamie and Myspace
Slusho makes no sense, Jamie is a hooker, good luck on that, she reminds me of an exgf i had in SF

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I know I haven't posted before, lol but I guess you can call me a lurker because I find this interesting to read but guess I'm too scared to post because some of you guys are really hard core and I'm not Smile

I guess my point of research that has gotten me nowhere is akaparallax.com just watching it being updated. Found the link on another site and it was the only one I bookmarked to check the status of the site from time to time. I was interested because the person said they found it on the same server as the jamie and teddy site. LINK

FLAGS
First it was the Naval Ensign of Japan
Second an American flag was added
Third a British flag was added
Fourth it was the Russian flag (plus stuff from the Sierra Club: see below)

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Big Oil has been raking in billions in profits but apparently not investing anything that would help it meet environmental and safety standards. Their negligence and sloppy monitoring and maintenance are more reasons to think twice when Big Oil says 'trust us' as they try to open up America's coastal waters to destructive oil drilling.

Recently, BP had to shut down the Prudhoe Bay oil fields in Alaska. This shutdown comes on the heels of the single largest oil spill ever on Alaska's North Slope, when a corroded BP pipe dumped 267,000 gallons of oil onto the frozen tundra. BP also recently was forced to shut down 12 oil wells after whistleblowers revealed that more than 50 wells, most of which are in the Prudhoe Bay area, were leaking.

In fact, the Prudhoe Bay oil fields and Trans-Alaska Pipeline have caused an average of 504 spills annually on the North Slope since 1996, according to the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation (ADEC).

There is approximately 6200 miles of active pipeline in the Gulf of Mexico constructed or approved prior to 1982. To put that in context, there are 1200 active pipelines in the Gulf that are at least 25 years old.

Industry's track record with offshore drilling is ugly. Offshore drilling platforms and pipelines spilled 1.8 million gallons of oil in U.S. waters from 1990-1999 in 224 reported accidents – that's an average of almost 500 gallons a day2. Additionally, offshore operations produce 214,000 pounds of air pollutants each year, and tens of thousands of pounds of mercury have been dumped around Gulf oil rigs.

The Sierra Club


The songs are strange
Before clicking on any songs and playing them there is sound in the background that sounds like sonar. It plays 6 times then stops.

Hands Remix - "The clock on the wall reads a quarter past midnight..." (I like this song a lot, lol)
Chemical Remix - You can't make me close my eyes
Alliance Remix M72 (at first I thought it was a weapon) - talks about having only this moment.
FPSO Remix - FPSO stands for Floating Production Storage and Offloading - talks about lies, disease, another world is born.
IOPD Remix - IOPD stands for Integrated Ocean Drilling Program, just music - very somber. Then the end you hear frogs and some growling and splashing like something is getting out of/in the water. (4:25)
M71 House Remix - Meet your maker, the rooftop coming down, this property is condemned - Looking to the November sky - waiting for science - piece of history.

I first thought the M72 was of course a weapon, then I listened to M71 and it mentions looking at the sky. I googled it and pulled up that M71 is a cluster of stars. I looked up M72 is a cluster of stars as well.

M71 - Messier 71
NGC 6981
Saggita

M72 - Messier 72
NGC 6838
Aquarius

Both are globular clusters

Now you may ask how I thought of stars, well I looked up aka parallax and as defined on the main page:

The apparent displacement of an object caused by the change in the position from which it was viewed.

Could be totally unrelated, who knows I just thought it was interesting, lol. My brain over thinks things way too much sometimes.

EDITED: Listened to the IOPD song again and again. Their is subtle background noise that sounds as if a really large creature is roaring in the far off distance.

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Apparently "the chin strap" is really a style of beard/goatee. $11 guy definitely has facial hair in that area, but this is more along the lines of what I was thinking:



or



Melampus, don't get me wrong - I think your theory COULD be possible, and it fits with the facts that we have so far, but I'm not sure at this point that Teddy=Chinstrap dude, since them being 2 separate people could also fit with the facts. Hopefully we'll get a pic of Teddy before the movie so we can check, though!

Although, I do have to say -- most 20-something guys I've met rocking the chinstrap tend to be douchebag playas (am i allowed to say that?) -- maybe the type of guy that Jamie would fall for and everyone wiser (Marlena) would stay away from, so it does make some sense.[/img]

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That Chin Curtain picture is priceless - I'd make it my icon/avatar, but it's too creepy. Smile

Teddy being $11 guy is interesting, but it kind of kills the whole Watchmen angle (w/Teddy luring Jamie into the clutches of the 'master plan'), since it would put Teddy at the party. That doesn't mean Teddy isn't $11 guy, of course, but just that I don't want that to be the case. Wink

If we remove that Watchmen angle, then it would make sense that Teddy = "chin strap" and that he's at the party, given Jamie's infatuation w/him, and the fact that he's not anyone's 'friend' (apparently).

The main reason why I was intent on equating Teddy with "chin strap" is that it would explain Jamie's comment to Rob about Jason being an "insensitive asshole" - it would tie that in nicely with the earliest comments about "chin strap" calling Jason's cell-phone. I think most of that speculation I posted could still generally work, even if Teddy isn't "chin strap." Jason could be an "insensitive asshole" because he'd listened to Lily talk about Jamie's infatuation/depression, and he blurted out stuff he shouldn't have (in Jamie's view). And, Lena could just be an overprotective friend (given Jamie's lifestyle, I imagine most her friends would have to be overprotective).

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I know that for most part this tidbit relies on what I assume to be debunked info, I'm putting it here as its final resting (so it no longer resides in my brain). Some talk has been given to a phrase that goes something like "on red crab six." I believe this came about from the new video on jaimeandteddie.com.

There is technically a "red crab six" if you apply that description loosely to astronomy. Obviously "red crab" would be the constellation Cancer. While this constellation is generally regarded as being made of five stars, there are technically many more that fall in that area of the sky. The sixth star of Cancer would be Zeta Cancri. Zeta Cancri is a star system that has a few stars in it (and who knows maybe planets). The name of the system is called: "Tegmine, Tegmen, or Tegmeni." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Cancri)

This supports an alien theory that I don't exactly buy into, but hey, just wanted to have it said.

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 fuel to the fire on the Chin Strap debate:
could these be pix of him? With Jamie...AND Marlena???

I posted this on another thread, but I thought I'd add it here, since the "Chin Strap" debate is stronger over here:

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Melampus, where are ya?!?!

Check this out:

I was going back through old threads, right? I remembered I had seen this somewhere before.

A pic that was *originally* on Jamie Lascano's pictures page, but deleted "mysteriously" a few days later:



There was a lot of spec on these boards that this was none other than Teddy Hanssen. Reasonable enough.

But if that's Teddy with Jamie, then who is THIS guy that Marlena is with....???



Teddy Hanssen...in the flesh?
And in the arms of Jamie Lascano....*and* Marlena Diamond.

Sooooooo busted. Very Happy


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TaninimBait wrote:
I know that for most part this tidbit relies on what I assume to be debunked info, I'm putting it here as its final resting (so it no longer resides in my brain). Some talk has been given to a phrase that goes something like "on red crab six." I believe this came about from the new video on jaimeandteddie.com.

There is technically a "red crab six" if you apply that description loosely to astronomy. Obviously "red crab" would be the constellation Cancer. While this constellation is generally regarded as being made of five stars, there are technically many more that fall in that area of the sky. The sixth star of Cancer would be Zeta Cancri. Zeta Cancri is a star system that has a few stars in it (and who knows maybe planets). The name of the system is called: "Tegmine, Tegmen, or Tegmeni." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Cancri)

This supports an alien theory that I don't exactly buy into, but hey, just wanted to have it said.


Does it have anything to do w/ constellations ??
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On red crab is an anagram for cornbread (J&T vid 2) that Red Walrus sent in to Happy Talk (slusho.jp).
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