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[Update][Meta] Jamie's Photobucket updated
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Nighthawk
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Tell me this: does the password to the JLT site allow you to upload a video or delete the ones that are there?

Do realize that there is a difference between getting access to a VIEW ONLY password and getting access to one that ALLOWS YOU TO ALTER CONTENT.

If the pics up there were in fact clues, why empower *any* user with the ability to delete them? Or upload different ones to confuse the issue? Why would they give anyone other than a certified puppetmaster the ability to create utter chaos in this ARG by deleting clues they so diligently put together and posted?

If it were a clue, it would have been a clue which anyone of us could use without having access to destroying or altering content.

Look at The Lost Experience... I keep bringing up "Mandrake Wig" and his MySpace page, which had a facebook and loads of images and content. But you don't see any random ARG-er going in there and altering content, do you? Why? Because they CAN'T.

God, this is enfuriating... makes me want to go destroy New York or something.

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Kraker
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I have no idea why we are still arguing what is right and wrong about the hacking. The opinions have been stated for the 100th time.

I don't think there's much discussion here until we find out the repurcussion (if there is one).

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InAFieldofClover
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If there are any repercussions for hacking the account, which since I have a background in law I know there are, depends on Paramount itself. That type of thing is illegal. And since we're talking about 'big business' here, there's no real way to tell how they're going to act. If it was me, I would've logged on to a proxy server before logging into the account just in case. If I'm not mistaken, photobucket users have a log in there account to see the IP addresses of the people who get into their bucket. If not, then I'm sure Photobucket does, and they would assist anyone if there was a suspicion of maliciousness i.e. deleting pics that are meant to be private. It's dangerous to fuck around with something like that, because, as said, you don't know how a movie studio would act. If you're hacking a regular person's account, chances are they won't seek any legal action. But you're messing with a movie studio's private stuff. That's where you run the risk.

Which, if this person had just logged into the account and been an observer, Paramount would probably look the other way. Yes, they can seek legal action over this, whether they will or not is hard to tell. But someone here definitely crashed through a ceiling they probably shouldn't have.

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Dr. Awkward
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Nighthawk wrote:
Tell me this: does the password to the JLT site allow you to upload a video or delete the ones that are there?

Do realize that there is a difference between getting access to a VIEW ONLY password and getting access to one that ALLOWS YOU TO ALTER CONTENT.

If the pics up there were in fact clues, why empower *any* user with the ability to delete them? Or upload different ones to confuse the issue? Why would they give anyone other than a certified puppetmaster the ability to create utter chaos in this ARG by deleting clues they so diligently put together and posted?

If it were a clue, it would have been a clue which anyone of us could use without having access to destroying or altering content.

Look at The Lost Experience... I keep bringing up "Mandrake Wig" and his MySpace page, which had a facebook and loads of images and content. But you don't see any random ARG-er going in there and altering content, do you? Why? Because they CAN'T.

God, this is enfuriating... makes me want to go destroy New York or something.


Kraker wrote:
At the risk of spamming this thread even more, what in god's name can arguing over what was done contribute to this ARG. This is not a thread to discuss hacking. If you want, go to hacking meta thread.....
Move on
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That much being said, please consider the following…

How do we know the new pics that are hosted in the now ARG accessible bucket album don't in fact contain clues
pointing in the direction of Hanssen's mysterious whereabouts and character development…

This was indeed my motivation and the answer to the question is...

We don't…and very few seem to be truly seeking this possibility, even though it is as plausible as any.

Actually, the more I think about the new pic's the more it seems we've progressed.
If a sixth pic is added soon, I'll be all but convinced.

Does anybody have any speculation to the pertinence of the four new pics in Lascano's public bucket if they are, in fact, IG??

* Edit...added link - HERE - for [meta] please do not hack thread...please control yourselves and opine in the appropriate thread Wink
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dalphx
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Tried catching up from over the weekend and the photobucket pics, There are 5 pics that were real? Were they the ones from the beginning of this thread? Just want to make sure those are the ones b-4 trying to decipher some of this.

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Kraker
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Awkward it is quite clear to me that the pictures set up on the jamie's photobucket are not IG, but were taken over by a lurker just like Hawk's photobucket was, except that person seemed to be malicious.

Why do you ask?

Because it seems unrealistic for someone involved in the ARG to delete the photos which are linked to on myspace JUST BECAUSE someone hacked it. The photos were already available to us, why delete them???

None of what happen on the new photobucket should be considered IG in my opinion, since we have no idea to know anything for sure. Paramount will need to provide some sort of defining picture, such as a picture of the friends together, proving he who is in charge is part of ARG.

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InAFieldofClover
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That's the part that makes me believe this was hacked. Why would they delete the images that are (still) hotlinked on the myspace page knowing it would fuck the character's profile up? That doesn't seem worth the sacrifice to me. And totally unprofessional.

That said, pretty much the only way we'll know if someone behind the ARG did it intentionally is if a new, unseen picture of Jamie is uploaded. I'd put money on this never happening.

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dalphx
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Thats what I guess was asking,If we know for sure those pics are real clues?

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To keep this more organized, as I totally agree this thread has been taken over by the hack anti-hack discussion, I started a new thread for discussing the images currently (10/08/07) hosted there.
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Kraker wrote:
Awkward it is quite clear to me that the pictures set up on the jamie's photobucket are not IG, but were taken over by a lurker just like Hawk's photobucket was, except that person seemed to be malicious.

Why do you ask?

Because it seems unrealistic for someone involved in the ARG to delete the photos which are linked to on myspace JUST BECAUSE someone hacked it. The photos were already available to us, why delete them???

None of what happen on the new photobucket should be considered IG in my opinion, since we have no idea to know anything for sure. Paramount will need to provide some sort of defining picture, such as a picture of the friends together, proving he who is in charge is part of ARG.


There doesn't seem to be any evidence to support a hijacking to me...contrary actually.

Granted, I may be wrong...

The "leave my shit alone pic" plays as if Jaimie is doing what she feels like...her character is not obligated to maintain pics...the fact that there are broken links in her myspace just makes the whole thing more realistic in a way.

Account recovery, pass change, "leave my shit alone" pic, recent public veiwing, 5 new non-offensive pics that spelled out SIX @ one point (calculated) and the fact that the account is still as it was after recovery seems to evidence the opposite of a hijack (IG).

WTH makes you assume HUD's bucket was hijacked??

Does his Myspace contain broken links as well??

This is new to me Embarassed
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doc awk,
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Mind you we still do not know for certain that an IG progression has not been made.
There is no evidence to support this postulation any more than the former at this point


while i would normaly agree with you, im going to have to disagree on some of these points. remember the "hi im jamie why did you hack my account blah blah blah" threat? PMs comming here, even though they kept it neutral and IG, the fact that they came here to this site to say "dont do that" i think means...dont do that. thats a pretty bold move on there part just to make a simple point. if we were SUPPOSE to get there eventually, would we have been yelled at for it? i dont think so for one.

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Kraker
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Lascano didn't come here to yell at us...

I'm assuming you saw that thread.

On a related note did you know gullible is written on yourforehead?

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remember the "hi im jamie why did you hack my account blah blah blah" threat? PMs comming here, even though they kept it neutral and IG, the fact that they came here to this site to say "dont do that" i think means...dont do that.


That thread was a prank by a misguided player. Sorry if they fooled you by registering with a character's name.
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wargasm wrote:
doc awk,
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Mind you we still do not know for certain that an IG progression has not been made.
There is no evidence to support this postulation any more than the former at this point


while i would normaly agree with you, im going to have to disagree on some of these points. remember the "hi im jamie why did you hack my account blah blah blah" threat? PMs comming here, even though they kept it neutral and IG, the fact that they came here to this site to say "dont do that" i think means...dont do that. thats a pretty bold move on there part just to make a simple point. if we were SUPPOSE to get there eventually, would we have been yelled at for it? i dont think so for one.


I/d/k War, Lascano playing the victim here I doubt was a PM at all.

The PM proceeding to set the PB account public combined with the SIX code that was
delivered in the first three pics gets my vote for IG advancement for now.
This was probably done to remove the need to login to see the new pics everytime.

If we were not supposed to gain entry why wouldn't the account be made private again after recovery.

Why introduce coded new pics and create broken links on Lascano's myspace page (temporary or otherwise).

We may have likely crossed a hurdle and the public bucket and deciphered SIX code on the first three pics almost seems to corraborate.

In addition the PM's removed the "leave my shit alone pic".
If it was indeed a lurker or OOG why not leave that pic on and not upload any others??
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Dr. Awkward wrote:
wargasm wrote:
doc awk,
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Mind you we still do not know for certain that an IG progression has not been made.
There is no evidence to support this postulation any more than the former at this point


while i would normaly agree with you, im going to have to disagree on some of these points. remember the "hi im jamie why did you hack my account blah blah blah" threat? PMs comming here, even though they kept it neutral and IG, the fact that they came here to this site to say "dont do that" i think means...dont do that. thats a pretty bold move on there part just to make a simple point. if we were SUPPOSE to get there eventually, would we have been yelled at for it? i dont think so for one.


I/d/k War, Lascano playing the victim here I doubt was a PM at all.

The PM proceeding to set the PB account public combined with the SIX code that was
delivered in the first three pics gets my vote for IG advancement for now.
This was probably done to remove the need to login to see the new pics everytime.

If we were not supposed to gain entry why wouldn't the account be made private again after recovery.

Why introduce coded new pics and create broken links on Lascano's myspace page (temporary or otherwise).

We may have likely crossed a hurdle and the public bucket and deciphered SIX code on the first three pics almost seems to corraborate.

In addition the PM's removed the "leave my shit alone pic".
If it was indeed a lurker or OOG why not leave that pic on and not upload any others??


That picture was removed when everyone still had access to it. Could have been a good-doer.

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