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Was it alright for us to hack into Jaime's photobucket?

Yes
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No
54%
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[Poll] Was it alright for us to hack the photobucket?
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MrToasty
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rose wrote:
Luckily there happens to be at least one or two VIP's involved with this promotion. I think that most advertising agencies would be able to straighten this out, should it be needed.


Of all the sites involved, I would guess that the MySpace account would be the easiest. They're friendly to promotions as I understand, and I believe that backdating the original comments on the Seven's pages would have required special access to begin with. If they can fix the MySpace pages, then I guess they can repost the images elsewhere and relink them and abandon PB and the email accounts altogether.

At any rate, I'll defer to rose's sage wisdom.

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Euchre
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MrToasty wrote:
Of all the sites involved, I would guess that the MySpace account would be the easiest. They're friendly to promotions as I understand, and I believe that backdating the original comments on the Seven's pages would have required special access to begin with. If they can fix the MySpace pages, then I guess they can repost the images elsewhere and relink them and abandon PB and the email accounts altogether.

Ah, but you get to an interesting point there.
MySpace (or any site) can break it's own rules. The ability to backdate comments is something a user is simply not able to do. If they allowed a user to do it though, it stops being them doing things that would be against the rules for users and becomes them allowing users to break the rules. That is always treacherous. A whole lot of the turmoil at YouTube within it's 'community' is over times where YouTube has apparently allowed some users to break their rules while harshly enforcing the same rules on others. The Human Pet account that was suspended is actually a good example of where YouTube enforced it's ToU when it's fairly apparent that they failed to respond to similar violations by others.

I really do hope they restore Jaime's MySpace page and host the images somewhere else, or get PB to wrench the account back and secure it more solidly, and restore it to it's former status.
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vlaka
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if you think about this the correct way no one hacked any thing. simply finding a url and typing in a password is not hacking. if i was hacking i'd tare the website apart and get in throught those means. what was done on photo bucket is not hacking.

The terms hacker and hack are marked by contrasting positive and negative connotations. Computer programmers often use the words hacking and hacker to express admiration for the work of a skilled software developer (but may also use them in a negative sense to describe the production of inelegant kludges). Some frown upon using hacking as a synonym for security cracking -- in distinct contrast to the larger world, in which the word hacker is typically used to describe someone who "hacks into" a system by evading or disabling security measures.

does that sound like us? did we disable any security measures? i don't think we did, simply figured out a password...

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vlaka wrote:
if you think about this the correct way no one hacked any thing. simply finding a url and typing in a password is not hacking. if i was hacking i'd tare the website apart and get in throught those means. what was done on photo bucket is not hacking.

The terms hacker and hack are marked by contrasting positive and negative connotations. Computer programmers often use the words hacking and hacker to express admiration for the work of a skilled software developer (but may also use them in a negative sense to describe the production of inelegant kludges). Some frown upon using hacking as a synonym for security cracking -- in distinct contrast to the larger world, in which the word hacker is typically used to describe someone who "hacks into" a system by evading or disabling security measures.

does that sound like us? did we disable any security measures? i don't think we did, simply figured out a password...


Well, then we "cracked" it.

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vlaka wrote:
if you think about this the correct way no one hacked any thing. simply finding a url and typing in a password is not hacking. if i was hacking i'd tare the website apart and get in throught those means. what was done on photo bucket is not hacking.

The terms hacker and hack are marked by contrasting positive and negative connotations. Computer programmers often use the words hacking and hacker to express admiration for the work of a skilled software developer (but may also use them in a negative sense to describe the production of inelegant kludges). Some frown upon using hacking as a synonym for security cracking -- in distinct contrast to the larger world, in which the word hacker is typically used to describe someone who "hacks into" a system by evading or disabling security measures.

does that sound like us? did we disable any security measures? i don't think we did, simply figured out a password...

I refer to the more generic reference to hacking as simply being an intrusion into where we were not given normal permission to be. Have you hear the phrase 'hack the password'? This is often done via various software based attacks, using a variety of tactics. In this case it was an organic attack, but then hacking is half human and how humans work.
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 The hacking

I suppose it can always be argued that if Paramount's marketing folks 'encouraged' a hack of the JLT site, and in part, that paramount itself is responsible for goading the ARGers to hack any other seemingly 1-18-affiliated sites.

Okay, that's weak, I admit, but it still established a precedent of snoopiness.

I have to say, I read these threads quite regularly, and I am completely floored at how clever and FAST some of you guys are. Sort of scary actually. Catfight!

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Drone41279
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If guessing a stupidly placed password is hacking then it deserves to be exposed. However in this case its being encouraged for those involved in the 'ARG' to do what they can to expose the trail which is cloverfield. As such the encouragement which is viral marketing is to blame.

If anyone needs to apologise for anything its the puppet master not the player.

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pegassissy
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At the risk of biring up more turmoil and a sore subject...

Today I and a group of friends who share similar views and post occasionally here (not like me though) shed a tear. I will be speaking on behalf of them today. I do not like to argue, and i like to think im a mellow kind of guy. So it takes a lot for my to get riled up. Im cooler now, and i will have thought this through.

63 votes. 32 yes. 31 no. 50% yes. 49% no.

Come on.

Are we criminals? No, and I am not claiming that dr. awk is one, but if all of you that said yes hacked it, you would have all committed a felony, and would have been sent to jail, and would have been away from your wife, kids, parents, grandparents, girlfriends, boyfriends, or what not. They will not go after dr. Hes not that high up on the most wanted list(and on a completely side note, he lives in Japan, so he would have been all set anyways.) But the 50% of you who said sure, we could hack myspace and photobucket, shame.

I know im talking extreme here but. Im sure JJ has a paypal address. Lets find out his username, hack in, buy $30 mil worth of crap on ebay, and claim it was IG and that his password which was paramount was too easy.

I will admit to you, the reason I created this thread was because I wanted to see just how many people would not have cracked the code. I wanted to see a landslide, a crushing defeat for the supporters. I was expecting the percent to be 75-25 to be honest. Disappointing yes, discouraging no.

Now Im sure most of you are great people(not all of you though) and Im sure you know not of what you do. Hacking a website is a federal offense. Ok so I hear the well, Jamie and teddy site. So sue me. I tried hacking it, we all did. That *tentatively* was what we were supposed to do. We were not supposed to hack myspace.

A long time ago, my ebay account was hacked into. I could not log in, nor could I enter into my personal email address. The person had put up a $5,000 quad up for sale. They required a $3,500 deposit. They gave the winner of the quad my address, so that they could pick it up. The guy, who lived in the same state as me at the time, stopped by my house to pick it up. I didn't have it. I was the only one home, and back then I was still considered a juvenile. The guy punched in the face blooding my nose. When I got back up, the guy yelled at me "I want my fn quad." I said I don't have it, and he threatened me. I called my dad, who just so happens to be a cop, and he came to my house. We showed him I could not acess my account, or my email. I contacted ebay, and they got the guy out of my account by changing the password. I had to get a new email address. The guy was arrested, but we dropped the charges and settled out of court. He gave us $1,500 and he got his $3,500 back from paypal, through the insurance they give you. The hacker was from Nigeria, and he got away with everything.

Don't hack.
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Arkaham
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I understand you taking this personal pegassissy, and I'm as sad as you of seeing so many people thinking it was right, but I think this is way too different from what happened to you.

There was no malicious intent here. They didn't 'hack' to get money or to trick people. They did it to find a monster that'll destroy NYC.

So there's no felony here. They shouldn't had hacked because it wasn't part of the game (as the fixing of PB proved), and we could had spent the last three days chasing wild goose with unrelated pictures. Hell, for all we know there may be a lot of people out there following this without knowing what's an ARG who still try to figure out the fake clues this incident produced.

So... yes. Don't hack. In real life is a felony, in Chaotic Fiction is a game derailing.
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Congrats! You guys made it into the asshat hall of fame: http://www.drumwaster.com/index.php/weblog/hackers_suck/
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While it seems you're on the pessimistic side of the road judging by your blog (BTW, it's your blog?) I can't really blame you. This game really is like you describe it.

But if the original idea attracted you, you shouldn't give up with this one. Like you said, it's more marketing than game, and it's attracted more people than it can manage. Huge games work when a good deal of things happen, so they're kept busy. With all the people on this, and so little happening, you get the endless posts about obvious things, the angry "we know already" replies and the impatience people trying to uncover every little thing we have up to this point.

So don't judge ARG's for this one. That'll be like abandoning horror movies just because 'house of death' was the first one you saw.
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So don't judge ARG's for this one. That'll be like abandoning horror movies just because 'house of death' was the first one you saw.


I agree. It seems that this movie just attracted the worst of the worst. You've got a gal who was in the movie being trashed because she's not cool enough to hang out with the internet geeks on UnFiction, but cool enough to be in the movie. To me that sounds like the vast majority of the people on this website are just jealous of her.

Oh well, I don't give two bits of shit. I can't remember the last time someone on an internet forum caused much harm in the real world by talking shit. It's like throwing rocks at a mud wall.
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Helo wrote:
Congrats! You guys made it into the asshat hall of fame: http://www.drumwaster.com/index.php/weblog/hackers_suck/


Their parole officers would be proud...

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In case you hadn't noticed...

Just FYI...

for anybody who cares --

...if you take a moment from your wailing and lamentations about the evils of hacking a fictitious character's webpage in a fictional movie long enough, you'll see that Jamie Lascano's MSP is wholly intact now, pics and all. And yeah, I've refreshed it, so I'm not just running an old cache.

No harm, no foul. Play on, playas. Rolling Eyes

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Oh, and for the record:

For those of you insinuating that those of us who said it was okay to hack Jamie's PB are ACTUALLY ADVOCATING REAL-WORLD hacking....

...that's like saying a WoW addict actually believes it's okay to don armor and sword and go hacking merrily through the local shopping mall in search of treasure 'n' monsters.

It's FICTION, people. We're participating in a GAME, that's ADVERTISING a *FICTIONAL* MOVIE.

Jeebus. Rolling Eyes

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