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[Duckie]

 [META] PLEASE, do not hack!

[Kraker]

Well what happened on these forums, metaphorically, is three people broke into the house together, and sealed the break so that the mob outside cannot get in. They then preceeded to leave a message for the owners not to make the same mistake, i'm not sure if they left :-p

I do however, agree with you in principle, but this case is a tad different.

[Euchre]

Games have rules.
Sites have Terms of Service/Use.
States and countries have laws.
Anyone with a clear sense of reality sees the difference between a password given us for a few videos on jamielovesteddy.com and full account access on sites owned by 3rd parties.

No pity for transgressors.
No sympathy if such actions kill the game.

Remember, it can ruin the fun for some of us that like their product's integrity intact.

[Melampus]

Does this mean that anyone following along here who entered the password (once it was discovered) just to see what was in "Jamie's" PB account could have exposed himself/herself to legal action? Given the ARG (or, at least, very ARG-ish) context of all this, that seems a little Kafkaesque. Should all the posters/lurkers that decided just to take a look (but didn't tamper in any way) now be looking to hire a lawyer?

[BobAlhazred]

I think, at this point, this still isn't a full-blown ARG, so the consequences would be minimal, if any. Or they(the PM's) might just go all out and destroy what little of a game we had for the actions of a few. Who knows? Only the next couple days will tell.

[Arkaham]

Lets not push the panic button before the monster gets here. They may be pissed as hell looking for a witch hunt, or they just may be embarassed. Tomorrow we'll see.

But legal problems aside, this is an etiquette issue. If you people are enjoyng this and plan to keep enjoying ARGs, keep in mind that you should not even try to hack. What's the point in starting to get random words in myspace accounts? Like I said on the other thread, you may as well try to hack into Slusho.jp ftp servers, or into JJ Abrahams personal mail account. You may make it, and find an autographied picture of the monster, but then the game would be over. Use your common sense. Don't ask 'Can I do it?' before 'Should I do it'?

[BobAlhazred]

[Euchre]

[Melampus]

No fear here, Euchre; I was just curious, because it seemed like something bordering on entrapment (for anything short of actual tampering, I mean), given all the circumstances surrounding how the 'curtain was ripped,' and the general ARE/ARG context of it all. Despite my avatar/icon, I don't know squat about hacking and internet stuff in general; I just liked Bioshock. I was asking b/c I thought people on these forums would know how this stuff works - and, so, you've told (but, no need to delight in other peoples' potential misery, eh?).

As to the question of etiquette, I couldn't agree more - when I show the trailer to people who haven't seen it, it's awesome b/c I feel like I know the characters; imagine how cool the movie will be, given all the stuff we'll find out between now and then! If that's been ruined b/c of this incident, and if some people actually get into real trouble, well, that would just put a stain on this whole thing that would really, really suck. But, as pointed out, that's up to the PM's - if they react harshly, it wouldn't be very good marketing; it would just compound one mistake with an even bigger one, IMO.

So, PM's, if you're reading this: We love it, whether it's marketing or a game - it rocks! Please don't abandon it/us!

[thebruce]

[Dr. Awkward]

Any sufficiently plausible fiction is indistinguishable from reality.
Any sufficiently twisted reality is indistinguishable from fiction.
Welcome to the new world of entertainment.
©Euchre 2007

Considering the sig, it's a safe assumption what happened was an honest mistake.

To go back to the breaking and entering analogy...some people attempted to rummage through some drawers and poop on the floor (you know who you are) and others attempted to clean up the mess and put things back where they belonged.(you know who you are)

Some people were getting ready to hand out keys to the whole neighborhood, and others discouraged it.

ARG seems to be a fine line in terms of establishing boundaries...but Duckie has illuminated the fence.
Now everyone knows where to go and where not to...if you see keys in your neighbors door - take them out and put them under their welcome mat.

[Arkaham]

[Euchre]

[Him Who is He]

[Dr. Awkward]