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rose
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I'm starting this thread myself because I need it!

Can anyone explain the game time line to me?

I don't understand how the murals were painted today that include the same tags as the game data. This is what I can put together:

1. Scientists from the future send back websites. Somehow they know about the music of Year Zero enough to tie in to some of those songs (but I might have that part wrong.)

2. In the present day, artists and other people start to react to the messages from the future. Some artists create murals. One mural in London contains information that is then used in shards that is part of the password protection of emails sent back from the future. (does this mean the scientists from the future know about this mural? Why does the London mural have the 42.xx.yy number on it?)

3. One website is formed to help coordinate the art is resistance response in the current day.

4. The current day website sends out an email telling people to meet at the mural in LA. Certain people there are given phones so they can be called with a message about when to meet.

So where does the government from the future fit into this picture? How did they end up interacting with us here in the present? Is it just through the websites that were sent back?

I'm confused.
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 		Sortof answering my own question... what if the government has better quantum computing than the private sector and can use that to reach back to the present? See, I'm trying here. Any other thoughts?
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 		A thought..?
Er, so if they hound us into being good citizens now, we won't cause them trouble in the future...?

Alternatively, suddenly their systems are picking up stuff in the past (for them, present for us). Chaos ensues as what do they do with this sort of thing?
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rose wrote:
I'm starting this thread myself because I need it!

Can anyone explain the game time line to me?

I don't understand how the murals were painted today that include the same tags as the game data. This is what I can put together:

1. Scientists from the future send back websites. Somehow they know about the music of Year Zero enough to tie in to some of those songs (but I might have that part wrong.)

2. In the present day, artists and other people start to react to the messages from the future. Some artists create murals. One mural in London contains information that is then used in shards that is part of the password protection of emails sent back from the future. (does this mean the scientists from the future know about this mural? Why does the London mural have the 42.xx.yy number on it?)

3. One website is formed to help coordinate the art is resistance response in the current day.

4. The current day website sends out an email telling people to meet at the mural in LA. Certain people there are given phones so they can be called with a message about when to meet.

So where does the government from the future fit into this picture? How did they end up interacting with us here in the present? Is it just through the websites that were sent back?

I'm confused.

I'm confused as to what is making you confused.

But lets start with the premise that we have scientists in the future sending back data regarding the sorry state of the world. I'm with you there. Then you said something about murals and music and other things that are being made now and somehow influencing the future?

What if all of the things that are happening now...the music by NIN, the murals...have come about because of the influence of these scientists. They sent data back, but how? We don't know. How does it get here? Well, obviously most of it is in the form of the internet sites we are seeing.

What if some of it just directly influences the minds of the people here in the past? So, that mural isn't a coincidence, but caused by those scientists. They sent some information back, and it entered the minds of some artists who did their level best to communicate it to us. The numbers are prominently displayed because that part of the data sent back by the "pilgrims" is their catalogue number for it.

Similarly, the opensourceresistance site is created by a person who has been "inspired" to create it by seeing these murals and other bits of art that are influencing people in our time. Perhaps his mind has become attuned to the data that is coming back. He is trying to set the groundwork for an elite group of people who know how to non-violently resist a fascist regime.

Is that good for a start?
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rose
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I'm confused as to what is making you confused.


You know you're in a muddle when you can't even explain what is confusing you.

hmmm. See, about the mural, I guess my question is why/how did information from the London mural end up as part of the shards that password protect the mailstrom entries?

About the phone call(s), how did the government of the future call us here 15 years earlier?

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What if all of the things that are happening now...the music by NIN, the murals...have come about because of the influence of these scientists.


I thought it was the other way around, that the scientists of the future were influenced by the music by NiN created now. But, is that backwards? Is the idea the websites were found by a few people who incorporated them into their art and, for example, their T-shirts and buttons?

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Similarly, the opensourceresistance site is created by a person who has been "inspired" to create it by seeing these murals and other bits of art that are influencing people in our time. Perhaps his mind has become attuned to the data that is coming back. He is trying to set the groundwork for an elite group of people who know how to non-violently resist a fascist regime.


I understand this part, although isn't the story that a cause of the fascist regime is the response to the opensourceresistance? So how does making the website help prevent that? Is the idea that making this website now will change the future that we have seen -instead of being part of the inevitable?


Maybe if you explain it to me again, slowly, I will understand it.
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rose wrote:
hmmm. See, about the mural, I guess my question is why/how did information from the London mural end up as part of the shards that password protect the mailstrom entries?

Well, again, I'm just guessing, but what if the information sent back included the mailstrom data, and it was processed in the mind of the artist to become the mural?

Wait...the mural didn't have info on the shards...it had the operationswamp0000 site (London), or onecountryatatime (LA).

rose wrote:
About the phone call(s), how did the government of the future call us here 15 years earlier?

I think Eddie is in the space time continuum.

rose wrote:
I thought it was the other way around, that the scientists of the future were influenced by the music by NiN created now. But, is that backwards? Is the idea the websites were found by a few people who incorporated them into their art and, for example, their T-shirts and buttons?

Does it need to be one or the other? If events today influence what happens then which influence what happens now? Sort of a self-reinforcing feedback loop.

rose wrote:
I understand this part, although isn't the story that a cause of the fascist regime is the response to the opensourceresistance? So how does making the website help prevent that? Is the idea that making this website now will change the future that we have seen -instead of being part of the inevitable?

I don't know that we know yet whether or not we can change anything. But first,
1. OSR is created here in present day. Not as part of anything. (I had this wrong before)
2. Some of the things that are created as part of it (OSR Flag) are part of our present. (again, not influenced by the future)
3. Two years pass and the creator of OSR is implicated as facilitating the LA dirty bomb.
4. The LA dirty bomb is what causes the fascist regime to be allowed. OSR is mentioned in thepriceoftreason as being partially responsible.
Question 1. IS it? There is a question now as to whether or not the dirty bomb was unexpected by the govt. So perhaps OSR is a patsy made to dissuade people from joining the resistance. (See what happens?!?)
5. Several more years pass, and the totalitarian govt makes things worse for everybody.
6. Scientists find a method to send data back to us here. They send whatever they can manage.
2a. OSR here in the present begins to get temporal feedback from the future about how bad things actually CAN get. Works with artists who are being influenced by the future.
Guess: The OSR that exists in the timeline parallel to ours (where the scientists hadn't sent anything back yet) is completely different. They created content that wasn't influenced by the future. THIS OSR can't help but be influenced by the timeline that sent us this information.

Code:

First OSR------>Scientists send data back
(no help from    |
scientists)     /
    ------------
   /               ------>Same bad result as before
   V              /
Our OSR----------<with>Better result than before

Of course, the problem then is that since we may create a timeline where there is NO future totalitarian regime, there will be no need to send anything back, which means the other timeline just gets eaten by the presence. But luckily, we're fine.

OR ARE WE?!?!?
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 		heh. Yes, it is all perfectly clear now. Let me just print out that diagram for future reference. Smile

I thought the shards had information that was on the mural. I have to check on Echoing the Sound but I thought some of the numbers were on items in the mural... but how the mural painted today could have hints to websites from the future?

Sorry to be so confused. I think I need another rainy rainy day that I can spend a few hours trying to go through all this stuff. I should have done that on Sunday. Smile
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rose wrote:
I thought the shards had information that was on the mural. I have to check on Echoing the Sound but I thought some of the numbers were on items in the mural... but how the mural painted today could have hints to websites from the future?


It's also possible that the website in the future was based off the text on the billboard today. The future resistance say.. finding a mural that was painted by some subversive dissident types back in year -15 that had some text on it and decided to use that text as their domain name

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rose wrote:
I'm starting this thread myself because I need it!

Can anyone explain the game time line to me?

I don't understand how the murals were painted today that include the same tags as the game data. This is what I can put together:

1. Scientists from the future send back websites. Somehow they know about the music of Year Zero enough to tie in to some of those songs (but I might have that part wrong.)

2. In the present day, artists and other people start to react to the messages from the future. Some artists create murals. One mural in London contains information that is then used in shards that is part of the password protection of emails sent back from the future. (does this mean the scientists from the future know about this mural? Why does the London mural have the 42.xx.yy number on it?)

3. One website is formed to help coordinate the art is resistance response in the current day.

4. The current day website sends out an email telling people to meet at the mural in LA. Certain people there are given phones so they can be called with a message about when to meet.

So where does the government from the future fit into this picture? How did they end up interacting with us here in the present? Is it just through the websites that were sent back?

I'm confused.


Couple points as i understand it:
The scientists were sending back banned books and some music (presumably year zero) as a test to see what they could do, in the irc chat it gets mentioned that it seems like other data is getting sucked along with it beyond their control, so they arent purposefully sending us these websites.

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Okay I've gone through and read everything I could find. I have a few questions/points

1)Anyone tried to figure out where the scientists are sending this stuff from? Anyone try to contact the webmaster for OSR and see if possibly there's a way to leave a message for the future guys ala the movie Frequency?

2)Just a thought but maybe the ETS and Spiral lists can be changed by YOUR ingame actions? I think it bears looking into

I'm just brainstorming here trying to figure out ways to be more active in the plots.

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 		Just a bit of spec here, a bit tinfoily, but this IS an ARG, so that comes with the territory. Wink

Totalitarian regimes like what we have in Year Zero don't just pop up overnight. To set up something like that takes years of planning, plotting, and maneuvering. Possibly all the way back to here in 2007.

I think it's entirely possible that the ones behind the throne, so to speak, in Year Zero would utilize the technology that the pilgrims used to send all that data back in time to send a message to their counterparts here in '07, a warning that their pogrom was in jeopardy because of the pilgrims' experiment.

It would certainly explain the raid on the April 18th gathering, in-game wise.
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 		I think Rasputin may be on the right track here. It would also be a good IG explanation for the recent quiet on the YZ front and why actpatriotic.com is still in transit. We have no way of telling how the dates work in the future as compared to now. (i.e. its May 2007 but its February 0000). On a side note, I want them to start Act 2 soon. LOLZ

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 		actpatriotic.net isn't "in Transit" anymore. it is now a bad request page.
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