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[SPEC]Ganu Yoshida, his evil henchmen & Connector of Doom
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eliwein
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....Were we just comparing Ganu Yoshida to Adolf Hitler an hour ago? think about that... Shocked

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:36 pm
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TBILL wrote:
Also I know that this means nothing but I just noticed it...you can see the Hand of Power Logo reflected on the table in Ganu's picture but its not on the window...Again I am sure its nothing..I just noticed it thats all...(man I must be getting bored,desperate, or some combination of the two.)


I think the Hand of Power references might be two-fold. Originally, Truagato had seen himself as the man who could hold the power of the world in his hands, meaning the harnessing of huge amounts of raw fuel and materials, and selling them to the highest bidder, and if he hadn't been burdened with nearsightedness, he may have succeeded. But he didn't foresee the development of alternative fuel sources as a potential next step, or he would have been in at the ground floor. He fell behind the times, sticking to what he knew, and paid for it.
Ganu, however, could be setting himself up as the hopeful savior. He's got a hand in everything from Pharmaceuticals to Weapons development, which isn't really a far stretch in this day and age. But he's doing it with a benevolence and purpose. He seems like a BIG picture kind of guy, and he's setting himself up as the savior of mankind, with an agenda, i think.

And it wasn't the intention of this thread to compare Ganu to Hitler. I think most folks use Hitler as a worst case scenario, which can be sort of lazy. No offense, but the guy was an absolute WORST CASE SCENARIO for what can happen when a cult of personality grows out of control.

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another guess on ganu and his plans

Ok this one is far away from my main point of view about slusho-monster-events. But when I feel confident with one explanation, I usually try another as a test.

- We know that DSN is an organic substance with possible effects on humans (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21577) and (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21427).

- The DSN is harvested by a corporation that have a plan for our future about here(http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21489&start=15).

- We have a name game involving Dynasty era Japan :Koga, the lost emperors (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21577).

-The "Daiske" Kagashima and the meaning behind this name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daiske).

-The whole Tagruato websites and subsidiaries look like a front. Like they want us to feel good about this corporation and it's activity (parafFun is a good example, for its name and logo). Slusho! is almost creepy for being extra-kiddy. The "good" and "bad" logo.

- Something known as a "monster" is gonna rip the SOL apart and wreck havoc in NYC, both landmarks (on multiple degrees) of the USA.

- Everybody in Asia crave for Slusho!, now its our turn.


If I wrap this together, there is something that emerge. Could Ganu be a Dynasty-era nostalgic and megalomaniac?And that he wants to set a new world order by destroying the symbolic democratic society that is the USA, for the glory of emperors that never were recognized as such? Could he have found a way to enslave people with the DSI with YMR research? Think about the strange commitment of Tagruato employee, in "A day in the life of..." the researcher write only "I wake up and go to work"-" I get home, eat and sleep" as non-work related occupation. There is more example like this on the site. Could he have found a way to harness the might of an unknown creature he discovered in the depth of the oceans to achieve his plans?

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Hurley wrote:
TBILL wrote:
Also I know that this means nothing but I just noticed it...you can see the Hand of Power Logo reflected on the table in Ganu's picture but its not on the window...Again I am sure its nothing..I just noticed it thats all...(man I must be getting bored,desperate, or some combination of the two.)


I think the Hand of Power references might be two-fold. Originally, Truagato had seen himself as the man who could hold the power of the world in his hands, meaning the harnessing of huge amounts of raw fuel and materials, and selling them to the highest bidder, and if he hadn't been burdened with nearsightedness, he may have succeeded. But he didn't foresee the development of alternative fuel sources as a potential next step, or he would have been in at the ground floor. He fell behind the times, sticking to what he knew, and paid for it.
Ganu, however, could be setting himself up as the hopeful savior. He's got a hand in everything from Pharmaceuticals to Weapons development, which isn't really a far stretch in this day and age. But he's doing it with a benevolence and purpose. He seems like a BIG picture kind of guy, and he's setting himself up as the savior of mankind, with an agenda, i think.

And it wasn't the intention of this thread to compare Ganu to Hitler. I think most folks use Hitler as a worst case scenario, which can be sort of lazy. No offense, but the guy was an absolute WORST CASE SCENARIO for what can happen when a cult of personality grows out of control.


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Interesting evidence you've compiled, smartmart. That kind of makes Ganu into Dr. Evil, though, doesn't it? Does he have a secret "lair"? Just kidding.

I suppose anything's possible, though, since we'll find out about the backstory online. Maybe we'll find out about some 'demands' made to the U.S. Gov't (through a bogus "classified" site), they were ignored, and so NYC gets a taste of what Ganu can do! That would render moot any timing problems, e.g., if the Chaui station was suppose to open in September, why does the monster attack in January?

And, while we're venturing into this kind of territory, why not have the monster be Noriko - she mutated somehow, Ganu found her, and he can 'control' her because, well, it's his mama.

Personally, I hope they don't take it in that direction, whether Noriko is involved or not. Ganu holding the world hostage w/his pet monster... I'd like to see something a bit more realistic, to better mesh with the style of the movie. Then again, the realism of the movie may allow them to get away with more online - because, once we've seen the attack w/our own eyes, we'll buy into anything they tell us online. Hurm...

EDIT: Sorry, smartmart, that came off sounding a lot more sarcastic than I intended. I think your idea, or some variation thereof, is a definite possibility.

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I can dig that, Smartmart. Spend far too much time developing these lines in my head, so another perspective is always cool, especially a well thought-out one.

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I hope they won't go that way. We don't need another archvillain film. Anyway, Melampus, you know the way I see the connection between Slusho and the monster and I like it way better. Wink

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Here's an idea: maybe Slusho! and the work at YMR is important because it's what Ganu uses to kill the monster. Maybe Ganu is the benevolent CEO that Hurley described/suggested. Tagruato then unwittingly awakens this creature, it attacks NYC (for some reason), and Ganu either lures it back to the sea and/or somehow provides the means (to the military) to stop/kill it. As long as we're thinking up new angles, that's one to chew on.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:16 pm
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episodes...

maybe you are right. what if this arg reveals or will reveal ep1 and ep3 while the movie serves as ep2. thinking & explanation part=arg. action parts movie

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I've been thinking that for a long time now, smartmart. We're doing "episode 1" right now (or, Part I). And, this part is more ARE than ARG.

The movie will be episode 2: A day in the life. Laughing

Then, Part III will be the ARG - and, a full-blown ARG - after the movie has been released. That's when we'll learn all the background, and flesh out exactly what happened that night, and the how/why of it all. They can keep that going for a while if they want to.

That's what I've been hoping for anyway.

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And then part four: 1-18-08 Miami. A group of complete strangers all move into a renovated bodega in Miami's South Beach, and try to sell a new drink containing an ingredient that may or may not be an addictive mutagen.

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Melampus wrote:
I've been thinking that for a long time now, smartmart. We're doing "episode 1" right now (or, Part I). And, this part is more ARE than ARG.

The movie will be episode 2: A day in the life. Laughing

Then, Part III will be the ARG - and, a full-blown ARG - after the movie has been released. That's when we'll learn all the background, and flesh out exactly what happened that night, and the how/why of it all. They can keep that going for a while if they want to.

That's what I've been hoping for anyway.

I never thought about PartIII, that would be awesome. There will be quite a letdown when it's all over if it's just Viral marketing and just ends.

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Melampus wrote:
Here's an idea: maybe Slusho! and the work at YMR is important because it's what Ganu uses to kill the monster. Maybe Ganu is the benevolent CEO that Hurley described/suggested. Tagruato then unwittingly awakens this creature, it attacks NYC (for some reason), and Ganu either lures it back to the sea and/or somehow provides the means (to the military) to stop/kill it. As long as we're thinking up new angles, that's one to chew on.


I doubt that the monster will die at all... abrams wants a 'godzilla' like creature, if so the creature has to stay alive so that more films can be made.
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eliwein wrote:
....Were we just comparing Ganu Yoshida to Adolf Hitler an hour ago? think about that... Shocked


The comparison was on how he fronted his image as doing the Good for his country/people and the citizens fell for it, When they found out the truth about what he was doing it was to late.

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Melampus wrote:
Here's an idea: maybe Slusho! and the work at YMR is important because it's what Ganu uses to kill the monster. Maybe Ganu is the benevolent CEO that Hurley described/suggested. Tagruato then unwittingly awakens this creature, it attacks NYC (for some reason), and Ganu either lures it back to the sea and/or somehow provides the means (to the military) to stop/kill it. As long as we're thinking up new angles, that's one to chew on.


Melampus, i think this is a great speculation that TBill had actually previously touched on, but nobody expanded on it from there.
At this point, everyone can pretty much figure that we are going to walk into this movie and eventually see some form of large monster trolling through New York City - thats a given at this point.
With that said, I think ultimately there will be more of a need to figure out how to defeat the monster over the need to figure out how it was formed. They could spend the first 20 minutes of the movie telling you how it was created and nobody would speculate otherwise.

I agree with this deep sea nectar being a key in the movie. The "A Day In The Life of a YMR Doctor" states in the second to last sentence that a natural step in the clenical trial of a new chemical would involve trying the drug on real people after its been through plenty of tests. Naturally thats where Slusho would come in - a carefree and fun way to administer this agent to the public under a very controlled environment. The slusho slogan itself "you can't drink just six" shows they are obviously controlling the amount of this chemical (1 drink being 1/6th of what needs to be administered to have some form of effect). Maybe the other companies are just other ways to administer this test agent in different forms?

Maybe this is what ultimately makes the monster. maybe somehow this agent gets in the ocean, warms up, is ingested by a whale or something and has devastating effects. Maybe its ingested by a human incorrectly and has devastating effects. who knows - thousands of possibilities.

However, maybe a lot of these clues have more to do with how to ultimately bring the monster down. Maybe drinking just six has some form of reverse effect? maybe adding this nectar to other recipes (possibly hinted by the currently new picture on the 1-18-08.com website) creates a serum to return the creature to its original form. Maybe one of the other subsidary companies holds the key? All speculation of course.

Mainly, i just wanted to further expand on this possible idea that we're assuming all these clues have to do with how the monster was created, when that may not necessarily be their full intent...

overall, the ideas and proposals posted on here so far are the best i've read, anywhere. keep the good theories coming.

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