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[SPEC] A weird splice job by Cloverfield...
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Euchre
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Arkaham wrote:
I mean there's crying makeup on the 1-18-08.com picture. Specially on Lil. But on the trailer there's no crying, specially on Lil. Both girls are still clean.

here, take a look:





See? Trailer=Lil not crying Picture=Lil Crying. So either Lil is not the girl in the picture (unlikely) or the picture is not the same moment as the trailer. If it's not the same moment, it lowers the chance of the girl in the left being Marlena (that, or the theory about multiple actors gets stronger)

The trailer shows 12:32 AM on the TV, and the pic shows a timestamp of 12:36 AM. If the camera is set perfectly synchronized to the TV channel's time, then that pic was taken very likely before our partygoers hit the street. That would mean the pic is NONE of our partygoers, and was not even TAKEN by our partygoers. I am more inclined to think the two times are not so well synchronized, and that pic could be taken of or by our partygoers and that in a short time that could be a reasonable difference between the TV and camera setting, one of our female characters could go from not crying to crying. Considering all of this, I think tear smeared mascara and not is a completely inconclusive thing to compare, and provides no real evidence either way that the woman in the pic is or isn't Lil.
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 		Not necessarily...

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the apartment was on a top floor, they walk up to the roof in 1-2 min., the explosion happens w/in 1 min. of being on the roof, they sprint downstairs and see the SOL's head come flying by in no time at all (less than 1 min.). So, the picture is taken right AFTER the trailer ends - right after the head comes to a stop. My guess is that they are looking up at the head itself. Hence, the tears - echoing the last thing we hear in the trailer... "oh my god! oh my god!!"

EDIT: also, given the weird angle of the picture, I'm guessing it wasn't taken intentionally - I picture it happening like in T2 - the guy in the Mall snapping off pictures of Arnold (AH-nuld) after Mr. Liquid Metal throws him through the glass storefront.

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Melampus wrote:
Not necessarily...

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the apartment was on a top floor, they walk up to the roof in 1-2 min., the explosion happens w/in 1 min. of being on the roof, they sprint downstairs and see the SOL's head come flying by in no time at all (less than 1 min.). So, the picture is taken right AFTER the trailer ends - right after the head comes to a stop. My guess is that they are looking up at the head itself. Hence, the tears - echoing the last thing we hear in the trailer... "oh my god! oh my god!!"

I just reviewed the trailer, and with all the footage we have it's 50 seconds between the news report and the SoL head coming to rest on the street. Keep in mind that there are several breaks in the footage, where there is time passed that we are most certainly not seeing. I'd love to know what floor the party is on, and how many floors are in the building total. With that info, we could get an idea how long it'd take to move a crowd up the stairs to see from the roof, then back down at full stampede to the street.
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EDIT: also, given the weird angle of the picture, I'm guessing it wasn't taken intentionally - I picture it happening like in T2 - the guy in the Mall snapping off pictures of Arnold (AH-nuld) after Mr. Liquid Metal throws him through the glass storefront.

I don't doubt that the pic could be a 'misfire'.

After watching the trailer in HD again, I'd have to say there's some amazing action going on. When the SoL head bounces down the street, we get a glimpse of the first victims of the monster we are absolutely sure of. One man that's running appears to nearly vault the cars along the road and lands himself on the sidewalk, knocking over a couple of people.

I still wonder though, why such a fiery explosion from a copper clad object striking a masonry building? Filmmakers never take such creative license with action, do they? Cool
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Arkaham wrote:
Remember the old saying "Feeding the troll makes it fart flames"

So let's ignore all discussion about both women in the picture being the same one. Ok. Done.

Now, can someone tell me why do so many people think the one on the left is Marlena?



Picture lady has brown eyes and her nose points sligthly upwards (and yes, I know she's looking upwards, but besides that). Marlena has Blue eyes and her noise points down.


There are things called colored contacts and if you pause the trailer when Marlena asks what is this for she has brown eyes. I am saying it is Marlena and Lil in the picture, I have always thought it was and it has always looked like Lizzy Caplan to me.

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Melampus wrote:
Not necessarily...

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the apartment was on a top floor, they walk up to the roof in 1-2 min., the explosion happens w/in 1 min. of being on the roof, they sprint downstairs and see the SOL's head come flying by in no time at all (less than 1 min.). So, the picture is taken right AFTER the trailer ends - right after the head comes to a stop. My guess is that they are looking up at the head itself. Hence, the tears - echoing the last thing we hear in the trailer... "oh my god! oh my god!!"

EDIT: also, given the weird angle of the picture, I'm guessing it wasn't taken intentionally - I picture it happening like in T2 - the guy in the Mall snapping off pictures of Arnold (AH-nuld) after Mr. Liquid Metal throws him through the glass storefront.


Yo do have a point there. And people were really rushing downstairs after that explosion. So the picture may be taken as Lil and Lena look up at the crashed SOL head, realize they're screwd and start crying. (As a side effect we have proved the only hair monster we could find there is Rob)

tinytim, Lizzy Caplan had blue eyes? Colored lenses is an option, but I wonder if it's a production choice, to make the character brown eyed (and then being forced to use regular blue eyes old pictures for myspace) or if it's a character choice, Marlena using brown lenses for the party.
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 		I assumed it was Lena because the other girl seems clearly to be Lily, and working on the assumption that it's not a stranger (i.e., that it's one of our Slusho Seven), then that leaves Beth, Jamie or Lena as the non-Lily girl. Lena seemed the best bet. For all we know, though, it could be anyone.

Also, if there's one thing we know about Lena, from her myspace pics, she's something of a chameleon - her 'look' can change pretty drastically. I thought it looked kind of like Lena from the trailer (as opposed to one of her myspace pics) - when she asks the camera, "what's this for?"

btw, so what? why do we care?

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 		Could not find anything in trailer when they are in stairwell of maybe floor#, but cant do a frame/frame. If someone can look more closely, going by too fast.

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Arkaham wrote:

tinytim, Lizzy Caplan had blue eyes? Colored lenses is an option, but I wonder if it's a production choice, to make the character brown eyed (and then being forced to use regular blue eyes old pictures for myspace) or if it's a character choice, Marlena using brown lenses for the party.


Lizzy Caplan does have blue eyes in real life according to other images of her I could find on the web. So yes it looks like the brown eyes are a production choice, why I don't know. But in the trailer her eyes are definitely brown was all I was pointing out, as a counter point to the OP point that Lizzy Caplan has blue eyes (in myspace pics) so couldn't be the girl in the picture.

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Arkaham wrote:

See? Trailer=Lil not crying Picture=Lil Crying. So either Lil is not the girl in the picture (unlikely) or the picture is not the same moment as the trailer. If it's not the same moment, it lowers the chance of the girl in the left being Marlena (that, or the theory about multiple actors gets stronger)


Bam!

I didn't even think of that, Arkaham.
I believe you're right on the money -- this is yet another example of multiple actors, same roles. I believe the 1-18-08 pic is *supposed* to be Lil and Marlena at that exact moment on the street (12:36 AM)...but different actresses.

It *is* a pic of Lena and Lil, I have no doubt of that. But it might not be Lizzie and Jessica after all.

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 		Back to the issue of how many stories tall is Rob's apt building, and how long it takes to get from the roof to the street:

Judging from the trailer, when the fireballs are incoming, looks like they're probably four, five stories above the street. I imagine everyone running like hell down the stairwell could take less than a minute.

But anyone notice the severe lack of impact craters down on the street...??? Question Shocked

A $hitload of fireballs just dropped out of the sky and bombed the hell out of Rob's apartment building and several surrounding buildings.

So....why no wreckage or debris on the street?

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Arkaham wrote:
That makes more sense. And watching the trailer carefully Lena's hairstyle does matches the one in the picture.

But the picture is not that moment. In the picture the makeup of the girls is already ruined. They're dirty and had been crying. In the trailer they have just left the happy party.

I still don't think is her, but now I'm not sure. So I guess is another unanswered question in the long cloverfield list of questions...




Arkaham, that at least was a fair and honest response, Thank you!! :)



To the others.....



There are only two females standing with Rob on the street scene in the trailer. One of them is standing next to him, the other behind him. It is certain that the one standing next to him is in the picture in question. However, the woman behind them looks NOTHING like the one in the picture. If there is any other female present, it is not seen in the trailor and therefore no one has evidence to the contrary.

As someone else perfectly noted, this picture (along with ALL of the pictures found at 1-18-08.com) was not taken from the trailor. Each of the pictures are a separate glimpse into other scenes in the movie. Therefore it makes perfect sense that you see no mascara runs in the trailor but mascara runs in the picture - which obviously means the picture was taken sometime after the trailer scene. HOWEVER, because the monster attack is so very close to where they are standing, logic concludes that the trailer scene and the photo could not have been shot more than a few minutes apart from each other before the crowd would have left and run for safety. Note that before the head of Liberty even comes their way, Rob has already fled the scene.

Additionally, whether or not the two faces in the picture are the same or different women, there are a number of too-convenient "coincidences" and outright evidences on the original picture itself which shows that it has been tampered with at the source before it was placed on the 1-18-08 site.
1) the background image at the top-center between the two heads does not match the rest of the picture, evidencing a cut&paste job was done here. Why, if not to fill in space that did not exist before the face was cut in two and pasted side by side on opposite ends?
2) with the exception of the cut&pasted background at the top, the entire center of the picture is totally blacked out even though their faces are fully illuminated, indicating intentional cover up of the center vertical splice line.
3) the two faces are cut straight down the middle of their noses making the most obvious indication of a switch-a-roo with two sides of the same face. IF these are two different people, why are only half their faces shown? AND why are both faces cut PERFECTLY straight down the middle?
4) the two faces match - not "sort of" - but PERFECTLY when placed side by side.
5) by the slightest angle of both face sides, the masacara run on one side, the slightly disheveled hair on one side, and the lighting change on the face (which is NOT a variation is SKIN COLOR), it is evident that these pictures were taken of the same person at slightly different times but certainly while the person was watching the same event while standing in the same place.
6) none of the faces of the identifiable females in the trailer or official pictures are anywhere similar to that of the small and dainty features of the woman standing next to Rob in the street (and she is certainly at least ONE of the faces in the picture, if not both).
7) it's astounding that no one can see this most REAL and obvious of all clues, yet the whole web is in an uproar over an IMAGINARY face in the hair.
8) the eyes of both sides of the face are BROWN, not blue or green.
9) the hair of both sides of the face is DARK, not blonde.
10) the lips and teeth of both sides of the face are identical.
11) the ball of the nose tip in both sides of the face are identical.
12) the size and shape of the nostrils are identical.
13) the slopes of the cheeks next to the nose are identical.
14) THE LIGHTING/shadow under the nose on the upper lip passes clearly from one side to the other when the two sides of the piccture are put together to form a single face
15) the arches of the nose in both sides of the face are identical.
16 ) the eyebrows in both sides of the face perfectly match those of the woman standing outside next to Rob.
17) the sharp drop of the cheekbone and flatness of the main portions of the cheeks in both sides of the face are absolutely identical.
18 ) the face outline in both sides show that the chin would terminate in the same place.
19) If multiple actors are in fact being use for the same characters, I doubt J.J. Abrams would be stupid enough to accidently show the stand in doubles in such an important photo being used as a clue on their site.


20 ) Like each of you, I am here to share my opinion - not to seek anyone's approval of it

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4) the two faces match - not "sort of" - but PERFECTLY when placed side by side.


I don't kn0w man there close but the eyeshap is different,the eyebrowns are def 2 different sizes and.....her eye is like 2 inches lower then her other one(not in a downward perspective angle)but like a toxic avenger face.



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 		WOW
How much can be written aboout a picture that may or may not be the same person. Even if it is. What then? A picture of 1 instead of 2 people.
This does nothing to further the cause.

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 		it seems to me that when put together.. the "single individual" (and I know this has been said, but just for emphasis) would have to have a paralyzed VI cranial nerve on the left b/c "her" right eye is totally medially deviated (adducted) but I would say, at most, "her" left eye in this frame is partly laterally deviated (abducted)..

it is exceedingly rare that anyone has any independent lateral/medial gaze between their eyes (although I'm sure everyone has seen funny videos of those folks that can do it)..

it also seems to me that the "girl" on the right has eyeliner under and above her eye (i.e. she intentionally applied it here, which is very common) whereas the one on the left in the original appears to have no such black eyeliner below her eye.. this certainly doesn't prove it's Lena, but perhaps it will help convince those who are still seeing it as one individual

that being said.. I'm not attempting to hate on the apparent similarities otherwise.. i'm quite confident the Marlena in question is, in fact, Marlena b/c I thought that instantly upon seeing the picture.. and now I can't see anything else even if I wanted to.. but I certainly recognize the knack everyone showed who noticed that they lined up (and, subsequently, lined them up)..

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4) the two faces match - not "sort of" - but PERFECTLY when placed side by side.


I don't kn0w man there close but the eyeshap is different,the eyebrowns are def 2 different sizes and.....her eye is like 2 inches lower then her other one(not in a downward perspective angle)but like a toxic avenger face.



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I get what you're saying Smile

But if you'll notice, the variation of eye shapes is an illusion cause by the angle of her face (the right side is further away and will look smaller) and by the squinting of the left eye (bringing the lower eye lid up a little) and by the mascara smear on the left eye (which makes the lower eye lid look different from the right eye). But notice how perfectly the eyelashes of the TOP lids match!

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