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[SPEC] Jamie & Teddy: More than Meets the Eye?
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 		[SPEC] Jamie & Teddy: More than Meets the Eye?
I posted a bunch of speculation about Teddy & Jamie's 'romance', but it was in the "Dead-End Boneyard" thread. I don't think it's a dead-end though; so, in an effort to get people's minds back on to wild (and fun!) speculation, I'm just going to put it all up here.

There are 2 parts to this: (1) a Watchmen-like story behind the origin of the monster, and it's attack on NYC; and, (2) a way to tie together various comments on myspace between the characters that will make those comments more than mere fluff. NOTE: these two parts don't rely on each other - they're independent, but since they fall under the same topic, I include them both. So, first, the Watchmen idea...

The gift Teddy sent to Jamie is a plane ticket, to come spend her birthday with Teddy, wherever he is.
- Only Jamie and Beth directly state their birthdays (on their myspace blogs). On her blog, Jamie says she shares a b-day with Jesus; so, they know that we know that her B-day is Dec. 25th. And, "Don't open until Dec. 9th" is odd, if nothing else, because it's a long way off, but also oddly close to her b-day. If your b-day was on, say, June 25th, and your long-distance lover sent you a gift in early March w/instructions not to open until June 9th... wouldn't you wonder about that? Why not just say "To be opened on your birthday"? Or, in Jamie's case, "Don't open until X-mas." The only thing we've been specifically told about Jamie that relates to a date in December is her birthday, so the connection seems relatively glaring.

There could certainly be other explanations, but a plane ticket would explain the odd proximity w/her b-day.
- It's early enough that Jamie probably wouldn't have made firm plans w/anyone, so he can still surprise her without making her life difficult - she prob. wouldn't have made other plans or travel arrangemens for X-mas as early as the 9th. It serves as a b-day and X-mas present, so he didn't make any gaff by apparently forgetting that her B-day is Dec. 25th. Given how crazy she is about missing him, it's the perfect gift.

Now, to spice things up, if Jamie does go on a trip to visit Teddy for X-mas (and maybe New Years), then perhaps when she comes back, she unwittingly brings something back w/her that draws the monster to NYC. That would work with the date of the attack being Jan. 18. I know it sounds kinda silly, but in keeping w/the general idea that Teddy is using her as a guinea pig somehow, but also explaining why he uses Jamie (rather than any random person, wherever he happens to be): Teddy is involved with Tagruato, Slusho, or just some very wealthy and powerful group that hatched a plan similar to that found in The Watchmen, which was:

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To cause a sudden, short-lived (overnight) disaster involving some totally unknown and non-human cause, e.g., a monster/alien attack on NYC. The idea is that this will galvanize the otherwise fractured global powers; by uniting them against a common and totally unknown enemy/threat. Given the state of the world these days, it's not totally implausible to imagine some group of scientists, scholars, and gen. Illuminati type people thinking that this could actually work, and that the cost of the one-night disaster would be worth the result: saving humanity from destroying itself. Note, though, that such a plan hinges on the source/cause of the disaster being something totally unknown and non-human - that's essential, if it's going to unite human leaders in a common struggle against something that isn't just more human leaders. Also, it's got to be a pretty big disaster; that way, it need only happen once to keep humanity paranoid forever; or, at least, long enough to mend the rifts between cultures and establish a truly global government/community

That was the idea in the Watchmen, anyway, and Rob recently asked Hud if he wasn't allowed to play along w/Hud's 'game' until he had read the Watchmen.

So, Teddy invites Jamie on this trip - and, of course, she's giddy about it. But, he's inviting her as part of the big plan, she's going to be the 'bait' for the monster (somehow). There are surely other ways we could dream up getting the monster to NYC, but this one would work just as well. It could have been anyone from NYC, someone who could visit some place away from NYC just before the attack (to get 'marked' w/whatever is going to attract the monster), but for reasons that won't ever raise any suspicion; it just happened to be Jamie. (and, didn't we hear somewhere that Jamie was the first to be killed by the monster?)

The reason I like this idea is that it would allow for the movie to have NO explanation at all about the origin of the monster; b/c the world has no idea where it came from. That's the key to the 'plan' working. So, the movie is "insane and intense" because it seems real, and we don't know squat about where the thing came from or why it's there; it's just a roller coaster ride of mayhem and destruction. Then, once the night is over and the monster is gone (somehow), the movie ends with an epilogue of news footage the following day, w/reporters all basically asking "WTF?" but also world leaders holding press conferences saying how they are going to put aside their grievances, etc. UN committees are immediately formed; international cooperation is seen rising to an unprecedented, nay miraculous, level, etc. etc. For the people watching the movie, but not doing anything on line, it will be an amazing monster movie, and one w/an ironically optimistic ending.

Meanwhile, the real truth behind it all will be discovered here, online, before and/or after the movie is released.

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 		Jamie & Teddy - Part Deux
Now, part 2: tracking the course of Teddy & Jamie's romance...

In her myspace blog, Jamie says that Teddy approached her at a bar/club called "Light." She also says that she had noticed him for weeks, but was just "making him work for it," i.e., she was "giving him the big eye" (Caddyshack), and was just waiting for him to come over and talk to her. This means that Teddy frequented the same places that Jamie and Lena liked to go to (Jamie and Lena seem to go out together a lot - Beth is too 'sweet' for the kind of clubbing they do; and, Lily's got Jason).

The real story, I think, begins on July 16, though, with a myspace comment from Lena to Lily: "Hey girl! So much fun last night! After you left, Chin Strap asked for my number. I gave him Jason's."

Lily responded with: "Oh my god, such a good time! So that explains why Jason got a message on his cell from some guy asking him to dinner at Barbetta..."

Someone mentioned, way back at the beginning, that Barbetta was a very expensive place, and it is. So, "chin strap" was wealthy (or at least, trying to come across that way). Anyway, he hit on Lena, but she was not impressed. She gave him Jason's cell and he called it (that's important for later, and it's confirmed in Lily's response above). Also important: there's no indication that Jamie was out with Lena, Lily and Jason that night. I'm assuming they only tell us what we need to know, and they didn't tell us, or indicate in any way, that Jamie was out that night with Lena, Lily, and Jason. Finally, Jamie and Lena have regular 'haunts' (e.g., Light) so it's plausible that Jamie might be approached by this same guy (at some point).

The next comment is on Aug. 13 - it's a Monday morning-after comment from Lena to Jamie: "Girl! You were out of control this weekend! We need to compare notes on Sat night, I have some holes I need filled in. How did we get home?!" I sugges that Sat. night (8/11) was the fateful night that Jamie and Teddy hooked up (or, the night Teddy seduced Jamie). Note that Lena got so hammered she couldn't remember a lot about the night; and, "how did we get home" could mean Jamie went home w/a guy, i.e., Teddy.

One week later, on Fri., Aug. 31, Jamie is depressed about a guy. From Lena to Jamie: "Someone needs cheering up. Girls night out! We have a three day weekend, I bet we could meet a new guy each night. I know you're quivering in antici...." (nice Rocky Horror ref., Lena). Jamie is uncharacteristically depressed over a brief fling, or 1-night stand. Either she thought it was more serious than it was, and now Teddy isn't calling and/or can't be reached; or, Teddy already told her he was leaving town soon, and while she initially shrugged it off (being Jamie), she now finds herself totally hung up on him, and she doesn't want him to leave. Either way, the key is that she can't reach him - you'll see why in a sec, read on...

The next Wednesday, Sept. 5, Lily posts the following on Beth's myspace in reply to an earlier comment from Beth asking Lily to go shopping w/her: "That's so funny, I was going to ask you the same thing. How's Satuday morning? Just call me when you get out of work, I have to talk to you about something." Oooh, some drama going on. Problems with Hawk? Maybe. Or, maybe Lily (and Lena) are worried about Jamie. Six minutes later, Lena sent the following to Jamie: "No, you cannot make chicken nuggets in the mircrowave. You really need to get out of your apartment." Jamie's been depressed for a whole week, and now she isn't leaving her apartment. Lena's trying to draw her out, and Lily is going to fill Beth in on Lena's and Lily's concerns about Jamie's uncharacteristic hang up over this guy.

5 minutes after Lena posted her microwave comment, Jamie posted this on Rob's myspace page: "Next time you see your brother? Tell him he's an insensitive asshole." Why the hostility toward Jason, Jamie? Ans.: because Jason had "chin strap"'s number on his cell-phone! Jamie was trying desperately (for either reason mentioned above) to reach Teddy. She knew, or found out randomly by talking to Jason, that he had Teddy's number on his cell-phone; he either gave it to her then but also said some "insensitive" things, or he was just being obnoxious (and stoned) and wouldn't give it to her - he may have thought it was funny.

Five days later, on Monday, Jamie is happy again. She's not only been in contact w/Teddy, but she's sent him a video of herself and he apparently can't get enough of it. Jamie tells Lena the good news on Mon., Sept. 10: "Hey girl! Well that certainly got his attention. Teddy-bear called me each of the last three days, and each time we've ended up talking for like 3 hours. I miss the man behind the voice! He says he already watched it ten times and demanded more!"

Lena responds minutes later, and she's clearly not as excited about the success of the video: "I'm glad it worked for you, honey. I knew if he could just bear witness to your hotness, he'd never stray. Though I still don't think you should have to work so hard." I'd bet that the reference to "work[ing] so hard" for Teddy's attention is a reference to Jamie's attempts to track him down, which culminated in her getting the number from Jason.

If I'm not mistaken, the jamielovesteddy site was registered to Teddy on Aug. 27th. We don't know whether Jamie made the site (w/help from friends), or whether Teddy did it. I'd lean toward Teddy registering the site - it fits with the act of giving her a "Don't open until 12/9" gift. He created the site on the 27th (after they hooked up on 8/11), but surprises her with it on his last day in town (9/5). That's when he unveils this 'gift' of camera equipment and a site to post videos for him while he's away. See, Jamie, I really do care! And, of course, Jamie is delighted.

In Jamie's comment to Lena (on 9/10), she said that Teddy called her on "each of the last three days." So, depending on whether she's counting that day itself (the 10th), it means that Teddy saw her video on the 7th or 8th. In the first video, Jamie says "I know you've only been gone for a day" - so, Teddy left on either the 6th or the 7th (1-2 days after Jamie's day of crisis on the 5th).

To me, this story of how Jamie & Teddy's relationship developed (regardless of whether the Watchmen stuff is on-track) works - it connects a lot of dots. For example, watch Jamie's videos again, and read her blog post about Teddy - the recurring theme is Jamie being childishly infatuated, and making something of a fool of herself. She thinks she made Teddy 'work for it' when, in fact, she's been hopelessly strung along by Teddy - she wouldn't leave her apartment, she was so depressed; and now, she's excited because she gets to send him videos? And, in those videos, she's awkward and childish and hammered (in vid. 2). If you had just approached someone at a club/bar, hooked up that night, and then left town; would you be terribly impressed by Jamie's behavior on those videos, not to mention her thinking that giving up a night of hot-tubbing with the Knicks was somehow romantic or meaningful? Meanwhile, though, the mysterious Teddy sends her an intriguing gift that she can't open until the 9th. It all seems like she's being used; and Lena suspects it (as does Lily, and maybe even Jason).

Ok, that's it. Phew!

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 		DAMN fine research, Melampus. I'm impressed. Wink

And I agree with you about 90,95%....there's one thing I'm wondering about, though:

*"Chin Strap" (prob. a reference to a style of goatee he wears??? just a little fuzz around his chin???) asked MARLENA for her number. Not Jamie.

So if, as you assume, "Chin Strap" is Teddy (I agree with you -- he probably is), then how did this great epic love affair develop between him and Jamie....when Jamie is essentially "sloppy seconds" in Teddy's mind?

Which leads to another train of thought (and one that could boost my "Lena is trying to sabotage Jamie's videos" theory -- yay): what if Teddy has REALLY been after MARLENA from Day One?

That would explain --
1) if Teddy *is* "using" Jamie, it could be simply to get to Marlena;
2) it could bolster Marlena's jealousy factor even farther. She doesn't seem originally interested in Chin Strap (she gave him Jason's # as a misdirect), but now that her roomie has fallen head over heels for him, Marlena may suddenly want him back (women are like that...seen it happen at least twice myself Rolling Eyes ).


EDIT: Ohhh, snap -- eureka moment!

Check out LenaDia's pics. First one. Is that a pic of Chin Strap with Lena???

Beth adds the comment: "Where is this taken? Is that from your trip to Tahoe?" Date of comment: Aug. 20. Now granted, we don't know when this Tahoe trip took place, but if that's Teddy -- keep in mind that Jamie seems to have already fallen for him by Aug. 20...

...so could Teddy have taken Lena on a hot trip to Tahoe in August, without letting Jamie know about it...???

Jamie could be getting used by Teddy AND Marlena.....dayum!

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 		Re: [SPEC] Jamie & Teddy: More than Meets the Eye?
Melampus wrote:

- Only Jamie and Beth directly state their birthdays (on their myspace blogs). On her blog, Jamie says she shares a b-day with Jesus; so, they know that we know that her B-day is Dec. 25th.


...ACTUALLY some scholars/scientists believe that Jesus' birthday is around Sept. 29th. I remember hearing that and it stuck in my head because its my brothers birthday

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 		 BINGO. Pic of Teddy Hanssen -- with Jamie AND Lena!
livin' proof!
Melampus, where are ya?!?!

Check this out:

I was going back through old threads, right? I remembered I had seen this somewhere before.

A pic that was *originally* on Jamie Lascano's pictures page, but deleted "mysteriously" a few days later:



There was a lot of spec on these boards that this was none other than Teddy Hanssen. Reasonable enough.

But if that's Teddy with Jamie, then who is THIS guy that Marlena is with....???



Teddy Hanssen...in the flesh?
And in the arms of Jamie Lascano....*and* Marlena Diamond.

Sooooooo busted. Very Happy

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 		Re: [SPEC] Jamie & Teddy: More than Meets the Eye?
casemyo wrote:
Melampus wrote:

- Only Jamie and Beth directly state their birthdays (on their myspace blogs). On her blog, Jamie says she shares a b-day with Jesus; so, they know that we know that her B-day is Dec. 25th.


...ACTUALLY some scholars/scientists believe that Jesus' birthday is around Sept. 29th. I remember hearing that and it stuck in my head because its my brothers birthday


Sure, some scholars certainly debate the actual 'date' (in our calender) of the birth of Jesus - no doubt about that. But, Jamie certainly isn't to be counted among their ranks. For her, Jesus' birthday is Dec. 25th (as it is for the rest of the world who have heard of Jesus & Christmas, and didn't get a Ph.D. in Religious Studies, w/a specialization in Christianity, etc.).

And, brettoniasam, I like the idea of that "FG" picture being a pic. of Teddy & Jamie, but: (1) there's no indication that it IS Teddy - I'm amenable to the idea, but unless there's some scintilla of evidence for that conclusion (other than the fact that it's Jamie w/some guy), I'll just file it under a "definite possibility" but that's all; and, (2) the pic. with Lena is not the same guy; at least, it doesn't seem to be the same guy to me... although it's really close.

The problem w/that being the guy is that it would kill the whole "chin strap" thing - not because Lena invented a nickname for him; but, because she gave him Jason's number, and he (chin-strap) bought it, and Lily didn't know who he was (she says "some guy" called Jason's cell). So, it just doesn't fit - they'd certainly ask her - "who's that guy in your Tahoe photo?!" right?

EDIT - Point is: Lena seems to be treating "chin strap" like some random guy - not necessarily, of course, but it seems that way. IF that's right, then the guy in that (Lena) picture can't be "chin strap."

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 		Re: BINGO. Pic of Teddy Hanssen -- with Jamie AND Lena!
livin' proof!
brettoniasam wrote:
Teddy Hanssen...in the flesh?
And in the arms of Jamie Lascano....*and* Marlena Diamond.

Sooooooo busted. Very Happy

Might explain the way there is some underlying friction between them.
Not so sure it's the same guy in those pics though.
I'm sure they could settle this over some crab marinated in kaitei no mitsu with cornbread and a cup of Slusho.
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 		I'm not absolutely certain that's the same guy in both pics either, in retrospect.

But then again, I'm not absolutely certain that's Lizzie Caplan in that pic, either. Looks nothing like the dark-haired Lizzie (as seen in the other photos and in the 1-18-08 trailer).

Come to think of it: you can find examples in nearly all of the Slusho 7's pic pages of "almost-but-not-quite" near-matches...

Which resurrects an old question: are there multiple actors playing the same role...??? Confused Sorta like everyone from Cate Blanchett to Christian Bale to Richard Gere to some little black kid playing Bob Dylan in that movie "I'm Not There"....

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 		Well, here's one more pic of Jamie and the mystery man - to my eyes not the same guy as in Lena's pic, but she doesn't even quite look the same in any two pictures.



And one more pic of Jamie that was previously up on her page



$11 guy looks more like a 'chin strap' from this vantage.

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 		Yeah...

You know, honestly, now that I look back at the Slusho 7's pic page, it's damn hard to say that's Mike Vogel in every single one of Hawk's pics; or Michael StahlDavid in Rob's pics; or Odette Yustman in Beth's pics...

Damn. I think these ARE different actors, all playing the same roles.

Which could indicate that all 3 of the guys above might *represent* Teddy Hanssen...

...and could go back and bolster the argument that the "Rob's awesome" girl in the trailer is *supposed* to be Jamie Lascano, even though that's definitely not the same chick in the JLT vids...

Weird. Confused

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MrToasty wrote:
Well, here's one more pic of Jamie and the mystery man - to my eyes not the same guy as in Lena's pic, but she doesn't even quite look the same in any two pictures.



And one more pic of Jamie that was previously up on her page



$11 guy looks more like a 'chin strap' from this vantage.


Also...is that really 11 Bucks Guy on the left in that bottom pic? Looks sorta like him...

...but that pic could also be another Hud-Jamie-Rob pic, like the infamous Lascano pic from 1-18-08.com; but again, that does NOT look like the original actors by any stretch.

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 		The guy in the top photos - the guy looking down and smiling in the closeup w/Jamie - he looks like he could be the same guy in the "FG" photo w/Jamie. I' d bet on it (as long as the odds weren't too high).

The photo w/the 2 guys kissing Jamie, though...

"They like kissin'! Go figure."
- Joel Robinson, Manos, Hands of Fate (MST3K).

Both those guys - those chin-strappy-stubble guys - seem too skinny to be the guy in the "FG" picture. Too gaunt - that "FG" guy looks like he works out.

Has anyone here been to the club/bar that Jamie references - called "Light" (or some derivation thereof)? If so, look at the pic. a few posts back of Jamie kissing some guy w/lights streaking in the background - the pic. with "FG" in the upper, left corner...

...IF you've been to "Light" then riddle me this: COULD that picture have been taken in Light?

I realize it's not much of a picture, for background/identification purposes, but it's worth a shot... SO, anyone know anything about this "Light" place?

EDIT: Here's the thought --> IF that guy in 2 photos (the "FG" pic, and the closeup of Jamie kissing a guy on the cheek while he looks down and smiles) is the SAME guy... then, he's Teddy. Gotta be, right? It'd be the first 'repeat character' that wasn't one of the Slusho 7; and Jamie's all over him. It'd have to be Teddy. But, that all depends on whether it's the same guy - one way to support that, apart from everyone posting "it looks like it to me" or "it doesn't look like it to me" is to find out if that place in the "FG" photo at least could be "Light."

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 		Here's the info about Club Light --

http://www.clubplanet.com/Venues/81485/New-York/Light

TinaG discovered it at this thread:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21025&start=30

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Melampus wrote:
The guy in the top photos - the guy looking down and smiling in the closeup w/Jamie - he looks like he could be the same guy in the "FG" photo w/Jamie.


That was the assumption when the photos were originally available.

Melampus wrote:
The photo w/the 2 guys kissing Jamie, though...

Both those guys - those chin-strappy-stubble guys - seem too skinny to be the guy in the "FG" picture. Too gaunt - that "FG" guy looks like he works out.


I just put that for reference of what was removed from her Myspace pics and to go along with the chin strap reference. It was posited that the guy on the left could be $11 guy



and the other guy appears to be actor Aaron Paul.

At the time it was suggested that these images belonged to the actor portraying Jamie and not taken specifically for this promotion. Not long after they were removed.

EDIT:
Just to clarify, in the pic of the two guys kissing Jamie, possible $11 would be on the left. Aaron Paul on the right. Aaron Paul is NOT the $11 guy.

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 		Hmmm...interesting about Aaron Paul:

*He was at the 4th Annual Motorola shindig in LA, according to those IMDB pics
*One of Jamie's pics shows her in her walkin' boots beside what appears to be an LA pool party, with a Motorola promo cart in the background
*If that is Aaron Paul, the pic could have been taken at that very party.

But why would Paramount insist on removing *one* pic for being OOG but not the other...? The pool party pic is undoubtedly reflective of Jamie's *actress,* (whoever she is) not her character.

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