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hmghosthoost

Im sorry but your dive about the statue of librety is unfounded consipracy theorist stuff.

About 90% of what people see in documentries and read in fiction about the freemasons is false, made up or embelished.

I can rebute nearly all of your statements about the SOL and back it with sources. But Ill just name a few.

In 1876 Édouard René Lefèvre de Laboulaye, who was a French politician gained approval through his government to give a gift to America on its Centennial birthday. His reasoning was because his political party was going through turbulant times and he believed that bestowing a magnificent gift to A fellow REPUBLIC would help add patriotism to his own party.

Frédéric Bartholdi was commissioned to design the statue. There is no written or documented proof (other than hearsay) that Bartholdi was a freemason.

The deal was, France would spring most of the cash, but Bartholdi had to come up with the rest. (America paid for the pedistal and a few other funds, Bartholdi made a small fourtune when America issued him a patent (US Patent D11, 023) and he began selling smaller versions of the statue in America and France

Bartholdi's original design concepts (which are in a French Museum) calls the statue "La liberté éclairant le monde" which is French for "Liberty Enlightening the World" sounds like it means Liberty to me.I mean the sculptors own hand wrote those words

You say the statue wasnt originally indended for America. It was delgated by the French Third Republic as a gift to a sister republic. The majority of it was paid for by France, or a French sculptor, It was built in France. Shipped on French boats... I say France gave it to us

Eiffel was not a sculptor as you said, he was a structural engineer. His job was to design the internal superstructor of the statue

The Statue did not rust on a beach for 10 years... It was 10 years late getting to America though, because the original Idea wasnt kicked around France until 1876 (the year America Turned 100) The idea at first was to do something small, it wouldnt be until Bartholdi went to Egypt that he was inspired to make a grand Collossus (more on his Egypt trip later!)

The Head of the statue was completed along with the arm (the one with the torch) The rest of the statue had labor problems, money shortage, and structural replanning. America was given the Arm early and it sat INSIDE the Centennial Exposition in Philadelphia. (plenty of photos of this, so obviously it wasnt "rusting on a beach") People were charged a small fee to see it. They had lines of thousands trying to see this Arm

The Statue arrived in New York Harbor on June 17, 1885. It stayed there, in 214 crates (not on a beach)
It was completed and unveiled on October 28, 1886. This is all WELL documented proof, It was 10 years after our 100th birthday, but it was built a little over a year after arriving to America

You say America didnt want the Statue, it was the biggest thing going! The money made from the viewing of the arm helped finish the Base and pedistal

You also Said the SOL was originally planned to be placed infront of the SUEZ canal. Again you are mistaken. Bartholdi was once on a trip to see the canal in EGYPT. He was immpressed by Ferdinand de Lesseps, who was designing a statue to sit at the Canal. This statue was to be the image of "Libertas" The goddess of Liberty. This has caused people to be confussed. Bartholdi didnt design a statue for the canal, but he hung out with someone who was going to design a statue, this statue in egypt never went down because of Money, and dispute over design (some wanted an egyptian god like charatcer, some did not. It was this insperation that Bartholdi used as a basis for Lady Liberty.

You say it does not mean Liberty. She has Broken shackels at her feet
The Tablet in her hand, which you had some weird masonic (remember about that 90% rule) story about the date 1776, It actually has written in ROMAN numerals July 4 1776. so you say half of that is for our birthday, and not the other half? Thats dumb

I can go on and on, but my fingers hurt. Stuff like The Divinci Code and all them shows on Discovery Channel about Masons and Illuminati are fun, but they are no different than Peter Pan, just fiction.

The real history of the Mason's is rather cool and proud, Im a huge fan of it really. it's a shame that so much poop is shoveled ontop of the real stuff

By the way, Im a history Major.

Some of my sources

Portrait of the USA: The Statue of Liberty.
Leslie Allen, "Liberty: The Statue and the American Dream VERY cool book
Bartholdi AutoBiography, cowritten by Pierre Vidal (GASP! BARTHOLDI'S OWN BIOGRAPHY MENTIONS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID!)Wikipedia (I know this is the weakest of my sources, but it still has some good dates )
Tsao Tsing-yuan. "The Birth of the Goddess of Democracy

I also saw a PBS Documentry on The SOL... Didnt hear anything about Mason's or world controlling secret clubs there

[hmghosthoost]

[hmghosthoost]

[e2c]

u got a link to the Spanish trailer? there is no official Spanish site (yet anyway) so it might be "fan made" or just by someone not involved in the production. i m NOT trying to support the "its a lion people" here but just saying.

bout all that SOL stuff.....shit who really knows whats true or fact? the only real thing u can do is go there n i spose they got guides there who know all about it...

[A_champion]

Decapitated Lady Liberty

[hmghosthoost]

Re: Decapitated Lady Liberty

[Dr. Awkward]

^^(onoz/omg...call the copz)^^

[Dr. Awkward]

Jensen AND Jason...

[Euchre]

Leave it to the French to choose a name translation to confuse us.
They are trying to prevent us from finding the truth about the monster!

I think we'll find in the end that all of these suspicions are unfounded.
At least the French definitely gave us one gift - it's not a lion.
(Or is that another conspiracy?!)

[rhesusmonkeyboy]

HDTVs do this as well

[Euchre]

Yeah, but that's the whole image. This is an image edit they used, not a feature of how it's being rendered to your screen. Anamorphic stuff is another matter.

[jawbone]

http://www.universalpictures.at/universalpictures/data/trailer/abrams/trailer_lg.mov

Austrian trailer.

[Euchre]

Do we need to start a new thread for Austria's trailer, or rename this thread to "International Sites and Trailers".
I think the latter would keep the 'clutter' down for the moment.

Edited for fat finger typing.

[jawbone]