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[SPEC] Strange fluttering noise
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Euchre wrote:
the trailer, and referencing the teaser.
The trailer is most definitely NOT in chronological order, although there ARE things that allow you to put almost all of the scenes with known characters into chronological order.
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Yeah, the trailer is cut up quite heavily. I don't think I've yet won over anyone on my theory that the Liberty head scene happens in a different area to the party.

When he says 'about 7 hours ago' it's pretty obvious that scene is near the end of the film. I don't think that him saying 'some THING attacked the city' means that there has to be only one monster though, but probably only one main monster.

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Slusho Addict wrote:
Euchre wrote:
the trailer, and referencing the teaser.
The trailer is most definitely NOT in chronological order, although there ARE things that allow you to put almost all of the scenes with known characters into chronological order.
Wink


Yeah, the trailer is cut up quite heavily. I don't think I've yet won over anyone on my theory that the Liberty head scene happens in a different area to the party.

When he says 'about 7 hours ago' it's pretty obvious that scene is near the end of the film. I don't think that him saying 'some THING attacked the city' means that there has to be only one monster though, but probably only one main monster.

I think the party was intended to be the same location as the 'SoL landing', but the roof was shot from a different building. They probably figured the roof shot's differences would go unnoticed, and for most people it would. We are the only ones nuts enough to figure out where this stuff was all done.

Again the kind of statement made can be interpreted by looking at sentence structure and delivery, despite being such sparse dialog.
Rob says "about 7 hours ago, something attacked the city". He's pointing out a specific time, not a timespan. If it were a timespan he would say something more like "starting 7 hours ago". The past tense form 'attacked' tends to support this being a reference to a particular past event, since he didn't say "began attacking". The emphasis he puts on 'thing' speaks of him not knowing exactly what it was/is, and when combined with the specification of timeframe in the past stresses that the 'thing' was the cause of all that followed. We do not get any detail of what followed, and his subsequent statements declare that he doesn't know with any certainty what has happened. Considering he doesn't cite anything plural relative to that event, it suggests that the 'thing' started out alone. The lack of gerund reference ( _ing ) implies that he doesn't know what is going on with the 'thing' now. What I find interesting is that he speaks to the camera in a way that suggests he is cataloging information he doesn't expect to be able to deliver himself, and expects the information to outlive himself.
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Euchre wrote:

I think the party was intended to be the same location as the 'SoL landing', but the roof was shot from a different building. They probably figured the roof shot's differences would go unnoticed, and for most people it would. We are the only ones nuts enough to figure out where this stuff was all done.


I don't know, It can't be too hard to get permission to film on a roof in the right area, and I have a feeling the broadway shot isn't actually filmed on location, with the buildings beyond the first block added digitally. (They certainly need a CG version of that street, for the monster's appearence in the trailer.) Anyway, we'll find out once it's released Smile

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dtweedokay wrote:
I think this (or many of these) is/are making the flapping "wing like" noises.


Trust me, I thought of that too. I thought I was pretty clever going frame by frame. I knew almost for sure that that frame showed whatever spider-crab thing made that noise. But no, alas, upon a closer look, I saw it was just a couple of refugees drenched in shadows. Whoopty-friggin-doo, I thought.

But no, I feel, after that scene with the group hearing something behind them, that there are, in some form or fashion, smaller monsters that perhaps rode on the back of the JJsaurus a la sea lice or, heck, I don't know, maybe things closely resembling Brittany Spears' kids.

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cloverfreaky wrote:
Regarding the strange fluttering noise, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that it's just something added for the trailer.

Remember, the trailer likely had several audio mix sessions before hitting the screen, and editors are going to add sound effects that seem to go with the action, even if they're a little exaggerated. These audio editors aren't necessarily part of the real production. Yes, it would need to be approved by someone who is, but there's still a chance that a few unrelated SFX would make it through for the sake of a dramatic trailer.

By the same token, I don't think we're going to hear such an obvious "splurt" in the exploding woman scene...doesn't seem like something a guy with a video camera would pick up so well.


All very good points.

I'd like to thank Euchre for providing a very good audio clip. There seems to be a lot going on in that clip, it's hard to pick it apart without any concrete evidence of what is actually happening in that scene. I think they did a great job with the sound effects, from the monster's howl down to this mysterious sound of something creeping about in the dark.

In the middle of this scene they insert a quick flash of an image, almost as if following the character's eyes towards the source of the sound. The folks on this forum did a wonderful job analyzing that image, which turned out to be three (possibly four) of the characters stumbling through a dark corridor towards a door.

I really hope a third trailer surfaces and helps to clear up some of the confusion that this mishmash of images and scenes has created.

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Slusho Addict wrote:
I don't know, It can't be too hard to get permission to film on a roof in the right area, and I have a feeling the broadway shot isn't actually filmed on location, with the buildings beyond the first block added digitally. (They certainly need a CG version of that street, for the monster's appearence in the trailer.) Anyway, we'll find out once it's released Smile

It was established a long while back that the Broadway location in the teaser was not a real life location (see this thread) and was shot on a lot in LA with a green screen (see picture here).

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Euchre wrote:

Again the kind of statement made can be interpreted by looking at sentence structure and delivery, despite being such sparse dialog.
Rob says "about 7 hours ago, something attacked the city". He's pointing out a specific time, not a timespan. If it were a timespan he would say something more like "starting 7 hours ago". The past tense form 'attacked' tends to support this being a reference to a particular past event, since he didn't say "began attacking". The emphasis he puts on 'thing' speaks of him not knowing exactly what it was/is, and when combined with the specification of timeframe in the past stresses that the 'thing' was the cause of all that followed. We do not get any detail of what followed, and his subsequent statements declare that he doesn't know with any certainty what has happened. Considering he doesn't cite anything plural relative to that event, it suggests that the 'thing' started out alone. The lack of gerund reference ( _ing ) implies that he doesn't know what is going on with the 'thing' now. What I find interesting is that he speaks to the camera in a way that suggests he is cataloging information he doesn't expect to be able to deliver himself, and expects the information to outlive himself.


While i agree with some of what you said, and i don't want to sound like i'm trying to match wits or anything, you're obviously alot more intelligent than me; i just wanted to say that if something attacked a city i was in, and i didn't know what was going on, or had any relevant information on the subject, i think it's entirely understandable to state "7 hours ago something attacked the city", as opposed to the more specific "starting 7 hours ago something or things began attacking the city and continue to do so". i understand where you're coming from, and it does make sense, i just think that in a situation where, presumably, you and your friends' lives are in danger, you might not be the best reporter possible. and even if you look at the news, they do sometimes use the past tense instead of the present, even if said events are ongoing, i assume to show when something began.
also, this is my first post as i am drunk enough to have the brass to try and add something to a conversation. hopefully it came out right.

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uglybob wrote:
and even if you look at the news, they do sometimes use the past tense instead of the present, even if said events are ongoing, i assume to show when something began.

Ah, but that's exactly the point. The 'big monster' is the start of it all, any 'smaller monsters' would be a result of it's presence, not something it basically brought in to begin with.
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also, this is my first post as i am drunk enough to have the brass to try and add something to a conversation. hopefully it came out right.

Not bad for drunk. Laughing Hope you keep posting when you get sober again too.
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MrToasty wrote:

It was established a long while back that the Broadway location in the teaser was not a real life location (see this thread) and was shot on a lot in LA with a green screen (see picture here).


Cool, thanks for those links Very Happy
I think that panorama should have been taken one block further north, but yeah, the architecture behind the landing spot doesn't add up.
Having said that, I've never even been to NY, I just used Google maps, which gives you a 360 panorama every few yards down each street.

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 		Cnidaria as the possible cause of small creatures
From the TIDOWave.com website there is a fact called Unique Fauna on the Brink. Mentioned are Cnidarian which is the family of animals that include anemones and jelly fish (among others) that sting.

From the wikipedia article about these it mentions that they can reproduce a-sexually:

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Reproduction

Cnidarians reproduce both sexually and asexually. They reproduce asexually by budding. The bud will eventually fall off the parent organism and becomes a new polyp...

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnidaria

Makes me think that the monster is going to have some link to the cnidaria family of deep sea creatures

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 		Re: Cnidaria as the possible cause of small creatures
lordnaff wrote:
From the TIDOWave.com website there is a fact called Unique Fauna on the Brink. Mentioned are Cnidarian which is the family of animals that include anemones and jelly fish (among others) that sting.

From the wikipedia article about these it mentions that they can reproduce a-sexually:

Quote:

Reproduction

Cnidarians reproduce both sexually and asexually. They reproduce asexually by budding. The bud will eventually fall off the parent organism and becomes a new polyp...

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnidaria

Makes me think that the monster is going to have some link to the cnidaria family of deep sea creatures


It better not be.

'Cause if it is, there will be a LOT of dissapointed people around here.

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 		Regardless of whether or not the noise was added purely for the trailer, the characters still say "What was that?", followed by (although in a different shot, it most definitely appears to be in the same scene) "Run Run Run!". Therefor there had to have been something that the characters heard that not only startled them, but caused Rob to tell the group to run (and actually scare the group into running). The scene seems to take place in a seemingly confined space (presumably a subway tunnel), suggesting that whatever they're running from can't be a massive monster.

What they're running from is up to interpretation though. The "fluttering" noises in the trailer seem to suggest some sort of small(er) monster(s). While that is a possibility, it could also be a number of other things. The tunnel could be collapsing behind them, they could be being chased by other humans (for whatever reason), they could be fleeing some kind of explosion, there could be some kind of venom or other dangerous "projectile" (for lack of better term) that is emitted from the monster, the tunnel could be flooding, or just about anything else.

Given some of the other information though, mini-monsters seems like a plausible and fun explanation. Given the scene with the exploding woman, the fluttering effect, the various possibilities of the seabed nectar, and the Slusho! stories about people turning into "whales", either small monsters or some form of mutated other threat seems very plausible, if not probable.

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 		[Spec]Remember the fan art with the whale/louse mutation
Jenive wrote:
After watching and carefully listening to the HD version on Empire,
it sounds a lot less like the fluttering of wings
and a lot like the legs of an anthropod...
and my guess is its a crustacean
(since its a sea creature)...a crab?
o_O

Does anyone else find the sound very creepy?
My hairs stood up after I began listening to it carefully...
O_O


I still like that concept. A whale cross mojonated with the lice on its body. And now has giant lice/louses that scatter into the city.

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 		That sound is a trip.

Could be a crab-like thing scuttling along the ground.

Could also be the sound that said crab-like thing emits as a way to "see". Wouldn't a deep-sea "louse" that lives in the dark not have eyes? Would said louse see with sonar? Would said sonar sound like that?

Methinks I'm moving beyond my normal capacity for thought here... Rolling Eyes

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 		sounds like a bat or a bird maybe, and it just sorta starled them.

sorry such a down to earth explaination.



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