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[WF][Trailhead] Whitechapel Foundation: Open Cases
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pipakin
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zizka wrote:
Another idea: The capped Xs mark the beginnings of words. Not sure what that means about the #s, the dashes, or the underlining, but it would explain why the first letter of each line and the first letter after punctuation (only occurs on line 6) are capitalized.


For reference, that would look like this:

X#xx X-xxxx,
Xxx X-xxxxxx,
Xx X Xxxx,
Xxx X Xxxxx
Xx Xx Xxx Xx.
X#xxxx,X#xxx,
X#xxxxxxxxxx
Xx Xx Xxx Xx.

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Coffeebean
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X#xxxx, X#xxx, X#xxxxxxxxxx

My first thought to this section, I came, I saw, I conquered (but one too many x's)

I am thinking the # is a space.

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Andh
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A poem seems likely. The structure would be a quintet first and then a tercet.

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zizka
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Coffeebean wrote:
I am thinking the # is a space.


So, then, we'd have word breaks at #s, at the ends of lines, and after punctuation? I can live with that (providing it works out to be correct Razz ).

That gives us, using pip's notation (i'll us two spaces between "words")

X xxX-xxxx,
XxxX-xxxxxx,
XxXXxxx,
XxxXXxxxx
XxXxXxxXx.
X xxxx, X xxx,
X xxxxxxxxxx
XxXxXxxXx.

Now, assuming correct punctuation, there's two things that stick out: hyphens are pretty rare, when used correctly (at least more rare than, say, no hyphens), and again the mass of comma-separated words at the beginnings of our two sentences is a little odd. These are the only two things I'd consider "leads" at this point, unless I am missing something, which I almost certainly am...
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THESB
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Shakespeare was a big "hyphen-ater"

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zizka
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'scuse me while I...

...step out on this here limb:

If it is a poem, this would be my guess at the ryme scheme:
A
B
A
B
A
B or C
B or C
A

Is that some recognized form? I'm a total phillistine, I'm afraid.


THESB wrote:
Shakespeare was a big "hyphen-ater"


i wonder if he'd have restrained himself t oonly two hyphens? Razz
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Sylvia wrote:
I'm curious what it means where it says
Quote:
The # was not a #.


What does # stand for? Number, pound, etc. Meaning it is a weight not a measure? Or a game (tic tac toe) not a number?
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Coffeebean
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more random thoughts

maybe, the number is not a number?

and what does X stand for? 10
and small x? dont know (maybe zero?)


100010000010001000000010010100001000101000001001001000100100000100001000000000001001001000100

or

10 0010-0000,
100010-000000,
1001010000,
100010100000
1001001000100.
10 0000, 10 000,
10 0000000000
1001001000100.

no luck so far decoding that to mean anything tho.

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WolfHawk wrote:
Sylvia wrote:
I'm curious what it means where it says
Quote:
The # was not a #.


What does # stand for? Number, pound, etc. Meaning it is a weight not a measure? Or a game (tic tac toe) not a number?


The two ideas I like so far (and I prefer Coffee's idea, 1, over mine, 2) are that

1) it means the # (symbol in the coded text) is not a symbol in the plain text (ie it's an empty space).

2) it stood for a number that isn't a number--a homophone of a number, like too or to. In that wacky little system, it would stand for a word rather than a letter or a space. So if you had X#xx it could be Stone, where the # = to.

Admitedly, a bit far fetched. idea 1 makes more sense. (much more)
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Coffeebean
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What about morse code? X = dot x = dash (since we are including all of our farfetched ideas Razz) skip the #s....and it looks like this:(with punctuation in brackets)

. - - . (--) - - - -(,)

. - - . (--) - - - - - -(,)

. - . . - - -(,)

. - - . . - - - -

. - . - . - - . -(.)

That's just the first half: and not able to make any real words yet. Somehow, I think we have to change this message into a different code. And the reason we received this message AFTER the second and third, may be important: meaning, there is something in the other messages that will help us solve this one.

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Like something to do with ancient Sumeria perhaps? Sumerian poetry maybe?

I still have to get my brain around the # = space idea, but in the meantime - when I look at this and imagine it being read aloud, it kind of feels like the commas are being used to make a list. As in, "This, that, the other are like so. Whatsit, thingy are otherwise."

It's curious that the last line says "The # was not a #." Why specify past tense??

It's funny about that tape... Makes total sense that it was used to tape the envelope to Whitechapel's door, where it of course fell off and blew down the street into the bushes by the lawyer's office. What doesn't make sense is why somebody clever enough to come up with these codes doesn't know that painter's tape sucks unless you're painting!

I was going to suggest getting the NY guys to check their door to see if they could see evidence of anything having been taped there, but then I realized that not leaving marks is the one thing painter's tape IS supposed to be good at, so... nevermind. Rolling Eyes

How well does it stick to paper, though? Maybe we can get them to steam open the next one (assuming there is one).

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surfzoned
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MSG1`

6 #'s
and 6 words gained from MSG2.
Coincidence?


(Meta- our PMs have a affinity for well thought out and yet still horrible prose)

Taking into consideration that there are only 4 non-punctuation character types theres a small chance it could be translation to binary then converted to ascii. Each X or x could also stand for a single word.
It's also possible that the 6 words from MSG2 replace the 6# in MSG1.
Which begs the question, "what about MSG3".


Sidenote: Thank you to everyone, too many to list, throwing idea's out there... Collaboration is how we usually get these solved.
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Could be morse or hex.. or....
SO many possibilities...
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yellowcard
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I like Pipakin's theory that capital X's denote the beginning of a word. It looks like good English poetry when done that way.

Given that, I don't think #'s look like spaces since X's already provide space, X's begin each line, and there aren't enough #'s to justify translation as a space.

"The # was not a #," reads to me that the character "#" was not intended to represent what "#" traditionally represents. Either a keyword or homophonic word to a number (as has already been suggested) makes sense to me.

The big key to me is the hyphens. My guess is that the punctuation needs no decoding, and therefore makes the hyphenated words valuable. What kinds of words begin with "X-..."?
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Sylvia
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looking at it from a different angel

I'm going to break this down another way, see if we can see anything.

Quote:
X#xxX-xxxx, XxxX-xxxxxx, XxXXxxx, XxxXXxxxx XxXxXxxXx. ------------ 43/14/29
X#xxxx, X#xxx, X#xxxxxxxxxxx XxXxXxxXx. ------------------------ 30/7/23 overall 73/21/52


replace # with a space wrote:
X xxX-xxxx, XxxX-xxxxxx, XxXXxxx, XxxXXxxxx XxXxXxxXx.
X xxxx, X xxx, X xxxxxxxxxxx XxXxXxxXx.


to me it looks like a space could take the place of the #. Also notice that the last word in each sentence is the same. XxXxXxxXx

Quote:
X xxX-xxxx,
.XxxX-xxxxxx,
XxXXxxx,
.XxxXXxxxx
XxXxXxxXx.

.X xxxx, X xxx,
.X xxxxxxxxxxx
XxXxXxxXx.

It does look like a poem.
Code:

X xxX-xxxx, XxxX-xxxxxx, XxXXxxx, XxxXXxxxx XxXxXxxXx.
               X xxxx, X xxx, X xxxxxxxxxxx XxXxXxxXx.

this shows how the last two words seem to be the same.

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Sylvia
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# in the wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign
Here is a couple things that wikipedia says about the #. Proving that it can be used as a space. On the wiki page there is more uses for it as well.
wikipedia wrote:
Its traditional commercial use in the U.S. was such that when it followed a number, it was to be read as "pounds," as in 5# of sugar, and when it preceded a number, it was to be read as 'number', as in #2 pencil. Thus the same character in a printer's type case had two uses.

space

used by editors to indicate where space should be inserted in a proof. This can mean
(1) a line space (the space between two adjacent lines denoted by line # in the margin),

(2) a hair space (the space between two letters in a word, denoted by hr #)

(3) a word space, or letter space (the space between two words on a line, two letter spaces being ##). Em- and en-spaces (being the length of a letter m and n, respectively) are indicated by a square-shaped em- or en-quad character (  and  ̷, respectively).


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