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 		SPEC: I'm thinking the three steps in the ritual will give three vertices of a triangle, and it may be our job to predict the location of the third point and stop the ritual from being completed.

And that's all I gots for tonight. Drool

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petunia wrote:
Sorry if this is old news, but has anyone noticed that the ratio of the radii of the OC:0702 diagram is 5 to 3?


I got 67mm to 42mm on the copy I printed off, which is 1.595238. Its not exactly 5:3, but maybe it's close enough for our situation.

Dropping a perpendicular line from the shorter radius to the horizontal line gives a 30-60-90 triangle (2a=c). The shorter radius is most definitely at an exact 60 degree angle to the longer one.
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petunia wrote:
SPEC: I'm thinking the three steps in the ritual will give three vertices of a triangle, and it may be our job to predict the location of the third point and stop the ritual from being completed.


Petunia, That makes a lot of sense to me.

So if we assume that what Sandra saw was the first ritual that means the second would happen 3 miles away. So if I draw a circle with the location of Sandra's ritual as the center and a radius of 3 miles, the second ritual would take place somewhere on the circumference of that circle. Looks like I'm going to have to try that improvised compass hack.

Question: Has anyone come up with a reason why the location of Sandra's ritual would be considered a place of power?

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 		The place of power triangle does make sense, so does them being 3 miles away from each other. But in the ritual, the league referred to a path to get to the place of power, so the distance between the points may be immaterial. The location of the paths may be arbitrary.

Yellowcard, does that triangle have any significance? Is there something else that concept can connect to?

The ritual might also occur at the same place.

What seems to make that location look like a place of power is that there is a set of streets laid out in concentric circles to the west of it. I imagine we need Whitechapel to figure that part out.

Casa, if the compass hack works, what's your MacGyver mashup name?

You might not need to use it. If you download a map image file to your computer it should provide a scale. You can then open image editing software--doesn't have to be fancy, MSPaint would work--to draw a 3 mile line based on the scale. You could then use that to draw a circle using that as a radius and center it on the point we're looking at.

...I'm not sure the geometry works out to make each point 3 miles distant from the other two and on the circumference.

ETA: Fired off a long summary to Ethan...the basic gist being that we did a lot of speculation and research but didn't produce any definite conclusions, so it's up to him to point us in the right direction.

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 		Email from Ethan
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Dear Mort,

First, thank you (and thanks to all the members of your group) for the thought you've put into this. It's funny how this project allowed you all to know about this development, and do so much work on it, before I had even seen it. I guess that's another example of how useful this model is.

This note from Sandra is more in line with the types of experience reports we get pretty often at the Foundation, although they generally have to do with the more standard Fortean events (like the rain of frogs she mentions). I will have to discuss this with Christopher, but I am almost certain he will assign me to follow-up with Sandra. Her letter is just too obviously related to OC:0702.

Which brings me to my first question back to you; do you think it is at all possible that someone is attempting to perform this ritual based on the information that was posted on Open Cases? Frank posted the deciphered text on Monday, so if someone was working from OC that means they would have had to crack it themselves or they had access to your work. Or to our E-mails back and forth. Is it possible that someone in your group could be trying to perform this ritual? Do you have anyone down in Florida? I'm a little concerned about someone doing something 'mischievous' because of something posted on OC; for both the obvious reasons. I guess we'll have to see how this part plays out.

Assuming that I get the assignment to contact Sandra, I will definitely take your feedback into consideration. I've got some follow-ups for you all, hopefully you can respond before tomorrow afternoon (I should have confirmation from Christopher by then and, if so, I'll write back to Sandra then).


I'm going to reply in the negative. I didn't do it. I don't think anyone else from here did it. If anyone knows otherwise, please say so.

Rest of his email (>were my original message, **is his reply)
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Mortality wrote:
> Hey Ethan,
> Hope Chattanooga treated you well. How many brown cows did you down?
>
> Without you to bother we spent a full day performing endless speculation and research based on Sandra's tale. We also spent some more time on the cipher. We got pretty much nowhere on 0701.
>
> We assume that Sandra's experience was of the first ritual from 0702. 12/9 was a new moon, which syncs with the message. We think that means there are roughly 2 months before it is completed. Wolfhawk, a co-collaborator, found that the next two new moons fall on 1/8/2008 and 2/2/2008.
** Are there any other factors that point to this being the first ritual? From my reading of Sandra's letter (and admittedly I have not had much time to digest this) I don't see anything that would peg this as the first, unless there is something about the area that fits the "place of power" line. Did you all have a chance to look into whether there are any documented areas in St. Petersburg that might fit that description? This is something I can check in our archives, as well.
>
> Based on the mention of a league in the ritual, Petunia theorized that there might be two other locations which will form a triangle, each one 3 leagues away. Casablanca reasons that we can plot out a circle with a radius of three miles from this first point; the other rituals will have to occur on its circumference. We're not totally sure about the accuracy of our geometry homework. Other possibilities include: the place of power being arbitrary because the ritual said the league is on a path; or the rituals occur at the same place each time.
** You could definitely plot a triangle from the three points (unless they are on a straight line, that is). And it does sound like the second ritual is a league from the first. The question is how would you determine the location of the third point? Even if they were in a straight line, how would you know how to plot them in relation to the first place?
>
> Satellite image of the location. Sandra's location is actually about a block northeast of there at 61st and Pine. Other than the fact that someone had a weird experience there, the only reason we can come up with for that being a place of power is the streets laid out in concentric circles to the west. Not that the streets create the power, but maybe there's an underlying reason for that bit of urban planning.
You'd be surprised how many people in this country believe that the geometry of street layouts DOES create paranormal phenomena. We get that one pretty often.
>
> Some things to check out if you can get someone on scene:
> What else makes that a place of power?
** Agree; but assumes this is the place of the first ritual.
> Do the lat/long coordinates have some special significance?
> The 0702 message mentioned going down a path one league, so is there 3-mile-ish path leading to that spot?
> Where'd the object go?
> Did the object leave anything behind?
** Sandra may be able to provide some more info on these.
>
> We figure she left her email address on your website when she left her comment, so you can get in touch with her that way. You probably have a standard set of questions to ask.
>
> We also researched the diagram on the ritual, but don't have any firm conclusions. There seems to be a ratio close to 5/3 between the lines, that ratio is close to the golden ratio. The diagram also looks something like part of a horagram, which is a set of concentric circles with properties based on the golden ratio. Horagrams have a history tied to alchemy, and a number of the symbols in the cipher were alchemical in nature, as is the book where Shannon first spotted the cipher. We aren't sure if/where this leads anywhere, like to a specific element or shape.
** Those circular streets to the west (on the sat image you sent) look a great deal like that horagram. It sure would make more sense if this had happened there.
>
> We tried following up on some of the other symbols. The one at the end of the line "...blackness will be..." still doesn't make sense. We tried looking at alchemical symbols and the closest we could come is something that looks like the symbol for Ceres or Osiris and means "yields." But the literal meaning doesn't make sense. In light of Sandra's story, maybe the darkness will be pierced by the glowing object.
>
> So we're stuck. Hope you guys can provide us something that produces results.
** I'm going to go write up a summary for Christopher. Thanks a lot for this E-mail, it'll help with that. I'm sure he'll let me contact her, so if there are any other questions that might help with the things you all are researching, let me know.

Regards,

Ethan Grant
Associate Researcher
The Whitechapel Foundation

ethanSPLATwhitechapelfoundation.org
www.whitechapelfoundation.org


What I sent back
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Hey Ethan,
Glad you've had a time to review our findings. As far as I know, neither me nor any co-collaborator on this project did whatever it is that Sandra spotted. No one said anything in the day we spent researching it. In response to your email I just explicitly asked them if they knew anything about it. They haven't had a chance to reply, but again, my hunch is that it wasn't one of us.

There isn't anything that says this is the first ritual. We were hoping Shannon might be able to confirm that for us. I think most of us, at best, have an interest in strange phenomena, but no one seems to have made it a study. (And those of us who do have an interest in this kind of stuff are probably skeptics who figure there's a clear demarcation between fantasy and reality. Most of the strange rituals we read about were written by fiction authors. That's a long way of saying you all have far more experience investigating these things than we do.)

We couldn't find anything specific on St. Petersburg. Most of the phenomemon in St. Petersburg seem to be your run of the mill person thinks building X or cemetery Y is haunted. And most of those are investigated by amateurs who come up with inconclusive results. Djinn picked a place to work where there are a lot of nuts. They should have plenty of fodder for InQuest.

Most of the hauntings tend to relate to owners and people who died in the 20th century, anyhow. I did think to check on some other legends, like Ponce De Leon and the Fountain of Youth, but I didn't turn up anything significant. We figured you'd have the inside track on giving us a lead.

Long answer to your questions about the geographical relation of the ritual locations: no idea. Our hunch is that the "league" may be the clue. Draw a 3mi radius out from 61st and Pine. The second location would fall on the circumference of that circle. The 3rd point would probably fall on the circumference of a circle with of 1.5 miles. The original circle would have point 1 at its center. To get both of the first 2 points, and the 3rd one, on the circumference, you'd have to halve the radius.

Identifying the 3rd point would be easiest once you had the 1st two. It would be at one of two spots on the circumference, either end of a line that's perpendicular and bisects another line drawn between the location of the first two spots.

One caveat: a "league" isn't an exact distance. Its original meaning is an hour's walk or ride on horseback. Its contemporary meaning is about 3 miles. And there are several other interpretations. It kind of depends on the age of the text that was encrypted.

Glad you're as fascinated by this as we are.

Regards,
Mort


I'll be gone for the weekend, so if anything else comes up, and you all need to contact Ethan but felt reluctant to before, just go right ahead.

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 		Try this one on - once all three symbols are in place, will the center of the completed triangle lay in the center of the ringed streets?
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Interesting...that circle has a "Fossil Park" in it. And a "Mystic Lake Dr."

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 		Yes, very interesting. It sounds like such a place would be one of power.
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 		I can't find anything to suggest there was a reason for those names other than they sounded pretty. Help me look?

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 		Hmm, I wasn't supposed to do that?
I performed the ritual but I'm not sure I had the shape of the iron quite right. It was kind of crook shaped.
I'm NO WHERE near Florida though so theres no way it was me. =D

BTW, the only fear I felt was being afraid of getting arrested or starting something on fire (I didn't have a fire extinguisher near).


The wind did pick up a touch after doing it.


That could have been the storm front coming in from California though. /shrugs
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Sebring to valley(this is referring to David Valley, the owner of Djinn Productions)

Me and the crew were wondering if, since you are in the area anyways, you could bounce over to St. Petersburg and check out the event1 site for us. We'd really appreciate it. Since I'm sure you are following the developments over at Whitechapel Foundation, seeing as how Djinn is in collaboration with them (incredible people over there but I'm sure you knew that already), you probably already know about event1. Ethan can fill you in if you have any questions about it. The crew would like you to peek about and see if the object or a residue of its existence is still present and if there seems to be anything weird about the area as a whole.
Thanks in advance,
Sebring

PS. If you absolutely can't possibly get over that way feel free to email me back and we'll see if we can find someone else to head that way.


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Sebring to ethan,

I know for a fact that the Owner of Djinn Productions, which you are collaborating with, lives pretty close to where event1 took place. I've emailed him asking if he'll drive over and check it out for us. He's an incredibly nice guy and I'm sure he'll do it. He's very fascinated with stuff like this.
Below are directions that he can follow that will take him directly to the event1 site. ( I sent these directions to him as well, but in case he forgets you have them now too.)

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I can't find anything to suggest there was a reason for those names other than they sounded pretty. Help me look?

I'll try to take a look when I get home. Can you post a map url?
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WolfHawk wrote:
mortality wrote:
I can't find anything to suggest there was a reason for those names other than they sounded pretty. Help me look?

I'll try to take a look when I get home. Can you post a map url?

Posted it earlier, but here it is.

Fossil Park is a neighborhood in St. Pete. The park shown there is where their youth baseball league plays. Trying to find out why they use that name, or why that street is called Mystic Lake...or there's a mystic lake in the first place.

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 		DOH!! Sorry about that. I'm at work and kind of bounce in and out. Thank you.
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