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[WF][Trailhead] Whitechapel Foundation: Open Cases
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pipakin
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So, has anyone explored the http://www.autumncountry.net/ posibility? I had noticed some, interesting connections...

from http://www.autumncountry.net/ac-e-ws-email1.html

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I am writing to you precisely because I have no idea who you are, and I must assume that you have even less of an idea who I am. I've had something odd happen to me and I could use a sounding board to try to work through some of it. It is the sort of thing that borders on the irrational, and, being a rational person myself, I don't think it would be a good idea to discuss it with my family or my usual circle of friends. I noticed the stack of books you had at the cafe (pretty eclectic; chess, cooking, romance novels?), and since I was sitting just behind you I overheard your conversation with your friends (pretty strange, but funny). You mentioned your new E-mail address to one of them, and I guess it just stuck in my memory (it was pretty easy to remember, being in a bookstore at the time).


emphasis mine. The rest of that part of the site seems strange, but gave me the impression that this fellow (the one being emailed) might want to contact people secretly...

though I could be way off.

This is my first post, btw Smile

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mortality
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Welcome to UF, pip. We haven't really explored the connections, yet. If you'd like to do so, that'd be helpful. We don't really have much to compare as of now, but gathering background details for the game world is always useful.

It looks like one of the guys on WCF's board of directors, Calvin, plays a role in the Autumn Country story. He's the IT pro for WCF.

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Welcome to the madness, pipakin Very Happy

From what I can tell, Autumn Country is a sort of interactive story that has been going on for quite a while. I don't think it's been updated recently, but I may be wrong.

mortality, I was wondering about that second P too. Maybe we're supposed to do something different with the Janissary Tree reference.

Ethan knows we play ARGs, and I'm strangely okay with this skirting so close to the curtain... so far. This could get very interesting. Anyway, he doesn't know what any of us do in RL, so if you want to act like a PI with an ARG hobby, I say go for it. Me, I think I'll just be an ARGer and see how far they go with TINAG, trying to pull us into their "real" world. ^^

As to Ethan's question, I don't really see a PM leaving a note like that at an actual paranormal-investigation agency. But I don't know anything about PMing, so... yeah. Confused

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cyberus
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Re: =)

mortality wrote:
Meta: TIAG/TINAG... So, do we want to say we're just ARG players? Or do we want to act like real investigators who happen to spend their freetime playing ARGs?


Well, I think they came to us(TIAG or not) because we play ARGs. I think our role has been vaguely defined by the folks at WhiteChapel as people who enjoy puzzles. I think once we start cracking into this(assuming TIAG and not some weird happenstance of cryptograms left on doorsteps) WhiteChapel will make our role more obvious. At this point, all the evidence they have presented is in puzzle form, nothing paranormal has happened, so I'd be willing to bet we're just outside help at the moment.

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pipakin
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I think, now that I look more into it, that AC is a red herring of sorts. I've been going over other possibilities with the extra P, but it may just stand for the "Picador" on the title page as Sylvia pointed out back on page 1.

Another interesting thing to note on that entry is it is missing the space between the ":" and "JG"

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noam
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For what it's worth, the whois information for whitechapelfoundation.com differs from whitechapelfoundation.org. On 09 Sept 2007, there is a news post on their website saying how they switched. Here is the information for whitechapelfoundation.com:
Code:
domain:                          WhitechapelFoundation.com
created:                         27-Jan-2005
last-changed:                    11-Jul-2007
registration-expiration:         27-Jan-2008

nserver:                         ns29.1and1.com 74.208.2.4
nserver:                         ns30.1and1.com 74.208.3.4

registrant-firstname:            Calvin
registrant-lastname:             Michaels
registrant-organization:         The Whitechapel Foundation
registrant-street1:              401 North Salina Street
registrant-pcode:                13203
registrant-state:                NY
registrant-city:                 Albany
registrant-ccode:                US
registrant-phone:                +31.54222267
registrant-email:                calvinSPLATdjinntradingcompany.com

admin-c-firstname:               Calvin
admin-c-lastname:                Michaels
admin-c-organization:            The Whitechapel Foundation
admin-c-street1:                 401 North Salina Street
admin-c-pcode:                   13203
admin-c-state:                   NY
admin-c-city:                    Albany
admin-c-ccode:                   US
admin-c-phone:                   +31.54222267
admin-c-email:                   calvin@djinntradingcompany.com

tech-c-firstname:                Calvin
tech-c-lastname:                 Michaels
tech-c-organization:             The Whitechapel Foundation
tech-c-street1:                  401 North Salina Street
tech-c-pcode:                    13203
tech-c-state:                    NY
tech-c-city:                     Albany
tech-c-ccode:                    US
tech-c-phone:                    +31.54222267
tech-c-email:                    calvinSPLATdjinntradingcompany.com

bill-c-firstname:                Calvin
bill-c-lastname:                 Michaels
bill-c-organization:             The Whitechapel Foundation
bill-c-street1:                  401 North Salina Street
bill-c-pcode:                    13203
bill-c-state:                    NY
bill-c-city:                     Albany
bill-c-ccode:                    US
bill-c-phone:                    +31.54222267
bill-c-email:                    calvinSPLATdjinntradingcompany.com


It seems that 401 North Salina Street does not exist.

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pipakin
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interesting. http://djinntradingcompany.com leads to a page under construction that points to another page (which doesn't respond for me), http://www.mujionline.com/default.html

The interesting part is that seems awfully close to http://www.djinnproductions.com/

did we get a peek behind the curtain here?

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cyberus
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pipakin wrote:
interesting. http://djinntradingcompany.com leads to a page under construction that points to another page (which doesn't respond for me), http://www.mujionline.com/default.html

The interesting part is that seems awfully close to http://www.djinnproductions.com/

did we get a peek behind the curtain here?


In the original email, Patel mentions an associate at Djinn productions pointed them this way to seek help with the letter. It may just be 2 webmaster buddies linking to each others' pages.

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mortality
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Autumn Country Meta/Spec: I don't think Autumn Country is a red herring. I think we can be fairly certain this game takes place in the Autumn Country framework. Whether it's directly related to any particular Autumn Country events is another matter.

Gameplay Meta: Given your input I'll continue to be a PI with an ARG habit. That explains certain talents we have and leaves room for us to choose how we interact with WCF. It also let's us be creative when explaining how we all know each other, whether it's just from games or from investigations.

My reply to Ethan
Quote:
Dear Ethan,
Maybe it was a good call. You could say I'm an investigator with an ARG habit. You'd think that chasing down leads during my day job would turn me off doing the same in my free time, but I enjoy the thrill of discovery from solving the unsolvable. Some of the people who are looking at this I know through work, some through the hobby. I am always astonished at how useful the skills from the hobby are in real life. Some of the gamers are truly remarkable, equal to any of the pros I encounter. You wonder why they aren't agents for some clandestine government service.

I wonder what Christopher and Djinn had to say about me. Smile

As for the puzzle, I'll field your questions in reverse. The people who run the games are called puzzle masters. They take great pleasure in blurring the lines between reality and fantasy. There's a reason it's called "Alternate Reality Gaming." So yes, some of them do "throw this stuff out into the real world just to see what happens." It's so common that even TV shows, video games, beer companies and even perfumers have created puzzles.

So, this note could be a game. Could be real. You can never tell without following the clues. And yes, the clues can be remarkably complex. Some puzzle masters love torturing players with absurd ciphers, anagrams, and even exotic languages. Puts your typical ransom note to shame.

I'm glad you appreciate our insight. I hope it can produce some results for you.


Best wishes,
Mort Kuolevaisuus
Freelance Investigator


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The street address and phone number cross reference to a men's clothing store. But, in Syracuse and not Albany.

Quote:
Christopher's Men's Store Learbery Centre, 401 N. Salina St. Syracuse, NY 13203 315-422-2267


It probably wouldn't be a good idea to send anyone there, as all their assets were auctioned off on November 16th. Crying or Very sad

Maybe someone now has the time to do that ARG they've been planning for almost 3 years. Wink
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There's a whole segment to the Autumn Country stories titled "Djinn." Could have been part of that. Autumn Country extends back to 2002, so some things could be re-purposed.

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pipakin
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mortality wrote:
There's a whole segment to the Autumn Country stories titled "Djinn." Could have been part of that. Autumn Country extends back to 2002, so some things could be re-purposed.


also note that djinn productions (mentioned on the whitechapel site) is the production company behind autumn county.

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The characters came to you knowing you are ARG players. Makes it really easy to "be yourselfs" in this ARG. A very plausible reason for the characters to contact "strangers" with their problems (which can be tricky in other games - why would a complete stranger send you an email about helping him/her with a mystery or a missing person, etc).

Nothing wrong with continuing that premise (of being ARG players).
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re: Gameplay meta --

I try to play all the ARGs I'm involved in as closely to RL as possible (an exception was OpDyla, when I tried to play a secretive, slightly arrogant 'problem solver', and was told my help was Unwanted when I registered. Learned my lesson there). Especially in this case, since we've been recruited because we play games, I think that's appropriate. I always like more TINAG in my games.
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mortality
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also note that djinn productions (mentioned on the whitechapel site) is the production company behind autumn county.


Djinn/AC: It's unclear how much they're going to continue blurring the line between the real Djinn Productions and the in-game Whitechapel Foundation. A Calvin appears in the Autumn Country stories. And he's on the WCF board, plus he's the name used to register the WCF domain and the Djinn Trading Company domain. I think that marks those as clearly in-game.

Djinn Productions is registered by Jack Valle, an employee of the real world company. Jack Valle also registered Djinn Productions other website, Visual Fiction. That's the delineation between IG/OOG, right now, as far as I can tell.

Has anyone tried the phone number for Djinn Trading Company? ...yellowpages says it's the actual number for the men's apparel store.

Gameplay Meta: I don't presume to make the choice for anyone else, but I would rather not play this one as myself. Looks like we have the freedom to figure this out for ourselves. Maybe we just keep each other informed about our decision?

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