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Sylvia
I Have No Life

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 		email from ethan
posting because noone else has
notice the paragraph that I put in italics and colored blue. This was what I thought all along. I always thought she was talking about the large image on the page the big one that's impossible to miss. the one that you all call 2:00.
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OC:0702 - Additional information re: event in St. Pete, Florida

Ethan Grant

show details 9:19 AM (5 hours ago)

Distribution: Registered members of the Whitechapel Foundation's Open
Cases community

Reference: Open Case OC:0702. (
http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=19 )

The letter below was received at 23:43 on Sunday, December 16, 2007,
from Sandra [last name withheld], the woman from St. Petersburg, Florida
who witnessed an event that may be related to OC:0702. This letter is
in response to the initial contact letter from the Foundation which was
sent upon receiving Sandra's comment on the Open Cases web site.

======

Mr. Grant,

Thanks for your response. For some reason I feel a little better
knowing that your organization didn't think my letter was crazy, and I
appreciate the other information you provided.

For the questions you had, here are my answers.

I have to admit that I have taken a different way home from work and my
mother's house since last Sunday night, but I walked over there to 61st
avenue yesterday morning and there is some sort of mark on the ground
where I saw the glowing metal. It is right in the middle of the road,
of 61st avenue, and it looks like an outline of the metal thing that I
saw. Kind of like the outline you would get if you spray painted
something and then moved it away, if you understand what I mean. The
outline is dark and sooty looking. I didn't touch it or anything, but I
scraped at it with my shoe and it didn't scrape off. That's the only
thing I saw over there. Everything else about the street and the yards
over there is very clean. The exact location is about 25 or 30 feet
from the center of the intersection of Pine and 61st, right in the
middle of 61st avenue.

I don't know of anything strange that has ever happened in this
neighborhood, before or since Sunday. We've had a couple break-ins and
such over the years, but that's normal for a town like this. As a
matter of fact, you don't really hear of anything strange happening
around here. You know, things like big foot or ghosts. But I have heard
of something called a skunk ape down in the everglades.

I thought it was funny that you asked what the thing looked like,
because I thought it was plain from what I said in my letter that the
piece of metal was bent exactly like the diagram thing on the page with
the symbols on your web page. I know that isn't exactly a hook, but I
didn't know how else to describe it, maybe a check mark. Two straight
parts, but bent, but not bent right in the middle. It was pretty thin.
From the outline thing I saw in the daytime it looks like it was maybe a
little thinner than a pencil. But it seemed thicker when I saw it on
Sunday night. And it was laying down flat in the street when I saw it.
I guess the only way I can say how it was pointed was that the longer
part of it was pointed towards the house on the south side of the street.

I have had some unsettling dreams since last Sunday, but nothing that I
would call a nightmare. Other than that I've been feeling okay all
things considering. And I've never had anything that I would call a
panic attack before. Neither has anyone in my family.

I hope those answers help with what you are looking into. To answer
your last question I think that I would rather not talk to anyone in
person. Maybe that sounds a little strange, but I don't know I'd just
rather not. If you have any other questions you can send me an E-mail,
I wouldn't mind that.

Sandra

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 		So...

Something like this?
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WolfHawk
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 		Looking at that pic makes me wonder if the two lines are pointing towards the location of the other two rituals.
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Sylvia
I Have No Life

Joined: 21 Apr 2006
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 		just got home and just received this from ethan
Quote:
OC:0702 - Foundation archives re: St. Petersburg, Florida

Ethan Grant

show details 7:46 PM (4 minutes ago)


Distribution: Registered members of the Whitechapel Foundation's Open
Cases community

Reference: Open Case OC:0702. (
http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=19 )
------------------------------------------------------

I just received this search result from the Foundation archives. I asked
them to filter on events in St. Petersburg that the Foundation feels are
classified as at least "noteworthy". Haven't had time to cross-ref any
of these, but wanted to get them to you as soon as possible. I'll be
checking these for possible connections tomorrow, but please let me know
if anything looks interesting to you in the interim.

Ethan

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Search Results: St. Petersburg, Florida; 1892 - Present; abridged

Ft. Desoto State Park - Haunting, UFO activity

Don Cesar Resort, 3400 Gulf Blvd. - Haunting

Haslam's Book Store, 2025 Central Ave. - Haunting

Florida Sunshine Skyway Bridge - Spectral Lights, Giant Hammerhead
Shark, Haunting

Allamanda Apartments, 1200 Cherry St. NE - Spontaneous Human Combustion

St. Pete Beach / Clearwater Beach - Giant Penguin

St. Petersburg High School, 2501 5th Ave. North - Haunting


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Andh
Boot

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Location: Belgium

 		Hi everyone, I'm sorry I didn't reply earlier to the question about the groupname, but I had exams and didn't really have a lot of time. My favourites are unCollective and Amazing unRavelers Group, but it doesn't really matter to me. It seemed like everyone already decided on unCollective anyway, so that's fine with me.

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mortality
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 		Group Name
By a tally of 2 votes to 1 , we are...The unCollective.

As for 0702: it looks like we really need Shannon to get back to us about her investigation into the ritual before we can make much more progress. Sandy confirmed the shape of the object but didn't really provide any context to the event. The St. Petersburg events from Ethan's note seem unrelated on face. (I'd like to know more about the giant penguin...can we get Morgan Freeman to narrate?)

Any luck with the 0701 puzzles?


ETA: Ethan emailed to say that Shannon will only be able to investigate the ritual during her leisure hours. Which will be few and far between.

I asked Ethan for some more details about the St. Petersburg events he listed and to see if he could explain Shannon's initial reaction to the ritual; he told us earlier that she "knew what the ritual wasn't."

Our next step is probably to put those events on a map and see if there's some relationship to the spot where Sandra spotted the object. I'll get to that tonight if no one else has.

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 		Cipher1 aka MSG2
I was just reading a story by Borges and it dawned on me that the words we found in our book code might be a euphemism for a story/book/poem name.
I know it's a stretch but it's always a possibility.

Concerning OC:0702
Quote:

Oh well, I guess I'll just let it peculate.

I'm still peculating on what Ethan said, though the constant flexing of my pectorals doesn't seem to be helping my concentration any!
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casablanca
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 		It may be Ritual #2
It took me about 20 minutes to figure out how to post an image. That was after more time than I am going to admit to figure out Google Maps. Embarassed Thanks to Wolfhawk and Mortality for the ideas on using Google Maps, that's really cool.

I decided to put the points with addresses that Ethan provided on the map. The place where Sandra saw the ritual is in the upper right corner. The point directly to the south of that is the Allamanda Apartments at 1200 Cherry St. The info Ethan sent says "Spontaneous Human Combustion". I haven't been able to get the exact distance yet, but it looks like it is very close to 3 miles. Rock On Gonna see if I can confirm the distance, but wanted to post this right away.

More: Looks like it is very close to 3 miles, but still trying to figure out a more accurate way to check. Also found this: http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/31/TampaBay/Hunt_for_haunts.shtml - looks like they didn't make some of those up. Foily!
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mortality
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 		It would've been nice if Ethan provided some dates on those incidents. Forgot to specifically ask for that in my last email, although I did request that we be provided with more details, along with whatever initial speculations Shannon made.

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 		Re: It may be Ritual #2
casablanca wrote:
I decided to put the points with addresses that Ethan provided on the map. The place where Sandra saw the ritual is in the upper right corner. The point directly to the south of that is the Allamanda Apartments at 1200 Cherry St. The info Ethan sent says "Spontaneous Human Combustion". I haven't been able to get the exact distance yet, but it looks like it is very close to 3 miles. Rock On Gonna see if I can confirm the distance, but wanted to post this right away.


It is exactly 3.00 miles away! Great find!
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casablanca
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 		Re: It may be Ritual #2
yellowcard wrote:
It is exactly 3.00 miles away! Great find!


Thanks, yellowcard. Very Happy And thanks for checking the distance. How did you get such an accurate measurement?

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 		Re: It may be Ritual #2
casablanca wrote:
yellowcard wrote:
It is exactly 3.00 miles away! Great find!


Thanks, yellowcard. Very Happy And thanks for checking the distance. How did you get such an accurate measurement?


I have MS Streets and Trips 2006 on my computer. Ctrl+E allows a distance to be measured between any two points. I was also able to zoom in close to get exactly on the right spot. The zoomed places, if you're interested...
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 		Sorry for the double post, but since it's been a few hours and I did some more work I thought you might not mind.

I decided to try putting the 2:00 figure on the St. Petersburg map to see if we could get our three ritual places that way. I drew a 30-60-90 triangle from the 1200 Cherry St location and then extended the hypotenuse 1.85 miles. (This is 3mi divided by the Golden Ratio, as per the figure.) As you can see from the map, it appears to land on a natural water break or something.

If the second ritual takes place in one of the other two spots, you can bet your sweet bippy where the third will be.

From looking at Google Earth, this new place may be covered with water, though.
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 		Fire?
yellowcard wrote:
I decided to try putting the 2:00 figure on the St. Petersburg map to see if we could get our three ritual places that way. I drew a 30-60-90 triangle from the 1200 Cherry St location and then extended the hypotenuse 1.85 miles. (This is 3mi divided by the Golden Ratio, as per the figure.) As you can see from the map, it appears to land on a natural water break or something.


yellowcard, great work, that makes sense.

So if ritual 1 was at 1200 Cherry St. (place of power, human combustion Shocked ) and ritual 2 was where Sandra saw it that would put ritual 3 at the end of the short leg of the diagram you drew. I agree that looks like it might be in the water. I wonder if you can perform this over water, especially since the ritual may have to do with controlling fire (human combustion, red hot metal).

And the reference to human combustion and fire reminded me of this:

http://autumncountry.net/ac_e_ashes.html

I'm starting to wonder if there are more links to Autumn Country than I've noticed.

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yellowcard
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 		Re: Fire?
casablanca wrote:
So if ritual 1 was at 1200 Cherry St. (place of power, human combustion Shocked ) and ritual 2 was where Sandra saw it that would put ritual 3 at the end of the short leg of the diagram you drew. I agree that looks like it might be in the water. I wonder if you can perform this over water, especially since the ritual may have to do with controlling fire (human combustion, red hot metal).


Yeah, I'm looking at Google Earth again. The land mass on Streets & Trips appears to be mostly underwater, but perhaps GE's photos are during high tide. The black areas appear to be rocks to me, and the third point looks like it could be in a rocky area. I'd say it's doable on a hard land surface.

I also think that Ritual 2 hasn't happened yet. Cherry St may be the place of power, but I haven't seen any signs of a ritual. This one may have to wait until the next new moon.
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