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casablanca
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 		Where was Ritual 1?
yellowcard wrote:
I also think that Ritual 2 hasn't happened yet. Cherry St may be the place of power, but I haven't seen any signs of a ritual. This one may have to wait until the next new moon.


I'm thinking that Cherry St. was ritual 1, but I wonder if there is a way to confirm that without going to the site (since Sandra mentioned that there was evidence that the ritual she saw had taken place there).

Surfzoned: Did you ever get a response on your post about someone from the area going to the site? Question Maybe we could get them to go to Cherry St. too and see if there is anything there.

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 		email from ethan and new msg on oc0701
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OC:0701 - New letter found

Ethan Grant

show details 3:50 PM (8 minutes ago)

Distribution: Registered members of the Whitechapel Foundation's Open
Cases community

Reference: Open Case OC:0702. (
http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=3 )
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A new letter related to Open Case: 0701 has been found outside the New
York, NY office of the Whitechapel Foundation. Details related to the
discovery of this letter have been posted at the Open Cases site:
http://whitechapelfoundation.org/opencases/?p=3

We continue to be very interested in any information you may have
regarding the origin and/or meaning of these letters. Please direct
your questions or feedback to Ethan Grant at the E-mail address below or
leave a comment on the site.

Regards,

Ethan Grant
Associate Researcher
The Whitechapel Foundation

ethanSPLATwhitechapelfoundation.org
www.whitechapelfoundation.org

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 		Looks even more like a visual puzzle.

Kind of like

Quote:
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 		What immediately jumps out at me is the phrase "on its own again."
Possibley the message that the Duke of Manchester's fate is sealed.
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WolfHawk wrote:
What immediately jumps out at me is the phrase "on its own again."
Possibley the message that the Duke of Manchester's fate is sealed.


Hmm... "on"... or "no"? The four inside words face in, and the four outside words face out, I believe. Of course, that word does look legit from either side.
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 		The middle looks like an anagram.

I see "The one executed"

Which might mean Cromwell.

Then again... Manchester Dukes were no strangers to executions.
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 		Oh a-emailing we will go, a-emailing we will go...
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Dear Mort,

Thought I'd let you know that Shannon said thanks. She really
appreciates the work you all put in on this. She is impressed (not an
easy task).

Also, looks like Isabelle got a copy of the memo and wrote up a news
item. http://whitechapelfoundation.org/wf_news.html (She's prone to
that sort of thing.)

Thanks,
Ethan


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Dear Mort,

Oh, you wouldn't believe the illegitimate insights we've gotten, on 0702
and 0701. It's stupid the amount of time I spend filtering through
psychotic ramblings on OC (as opposed to the usual stuff I get,
right?). There have been several messages from people claiming to have
performed the ritual. Each of these reports is immediately discountable
for its own special (and in most cases ridiculous) reason.

As to what the ritual "wasn't", I think what Shannon meant by that is
that she is very familiar with the body of western alchemical writing,
its terminology, phrasing, symbology, and specific processes, and she
feels that this ritual does not at all "feel" like that. But she has
also mentioned that she is by no means an expert in all things occult,
especially from more recent times (say within the past 100 years). I
think that is why she is hoping that someone in the "community" will
recognize something about the ritual.

Funny you should mention the giant penguin. That one is generally
classified as a hoax, owing to a confession and a "penguin track maker",
but the Foundation has a pretty extensive file on that one - and it
makes you wonder. It appears that we have reason to believe that
someone "got to" Jan Kirby. Just goes to show you.

Regards,

Ethan Grant
Associate Researcher
The Whitechapel Foundation


Jan Kirby?

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 		I emailed the map I made to Ethan and asked for his feedback. Here is the email exchange:

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Hello, Ethan.

I am a part of the think tank group which has chosen to call itself
the unCollective. I have attached a map of the St. Petersburg area
showing a connection from the New Moon event referred to by Sandra
near Pine St and 61st Ave to one of the places of power you asked us
to research, 1200 Cherry St. The distance between these two points is
3.00 miles (1 league) running rather perfectly north to south.

I decided to map out a third point using the sketch in the cypher,
which our group has referred to as the "2:00 Figure" since the angle
is a perfect 60 degrees. This third point lies on a natural water
break, key, or island (I am unsure what term the locals may use) that
is 1.85 miles from 1200 Cherry St. Incidentally, the longer line in
the 2:00 Figure is ~1.618 times the length of the shorter line, which
is the Golden Ratio -- hence, the second line traced to 1.85 miles.
This point may be on some rocks which protrude from the water -- any
ritual performed would definitely be noticeable from the houses along
the facing shore.

(The small triangle at the bottom of the map is a 30-60-90 triangle
merely used for the purpose of determining the correct angle.)

Do you or does anyone else on the Whitechapel team think there is any
significance to this?

Thanks,
yellowcard


Ethan's reply:
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Dear yellowcard,

It's very good to make your acquaintance.

This is a very exciting development. I looked back at what I got from
the archives and 1200 Cherry Street was the site of a possible case of
spontaneous human combustion in 1951. In certain circles that could
definitely be seem as a "place of power".

That's very useful, the way you mapped out the points. In your diagram
are you plotting 1200 Cherry St. as the location of the first ritual or
is the location that Sandra described the first ritual? Did you all
find anything else in our archives, or in your own research, that might
link Sandra's ritual to a place of power?

I personally think this is very significant, and I think it is very
likely that the diagram on the document plots out the points for the
rituals. I just wish there was some way to know for sure whether the
ritual that Sandra saw was the first one.

Thanks very much for this. I'll let you know if there is any feedback
from our side.

Regards,

Ethan


I just sent this back:
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Glad to be of help, Ethan.

I don't know anything about the 61st Ave place of power. Do you think it is worth looking into or is it in fulfillment of the riddle? Let me explain and I'll answer another question at the same time:

Here are the three stanzas from the poem that give us time and location.

The first [is] [when] the night [is] black
At a place [of] power

The second one upon the next
One league along the path

The last upon the black night following
The rule prepares the place

Based on the list of ritual sites given in the poem, the second occurs one league away from the first. If one league equals three miles, then it is too great a coincidence that the two sites are 3.00 miles away, one due south of the other. That's pretty accurate! So which is first, Sandra's sighting, or 1200 Cherry Street? I believe the poem explains that "the rule prepares the place". The 2:00 Figure starts at 61st Ave, goes to Cherry Street, and then off to the isle in Tampa Bay. If it started at Cherry Street, the figure would have to go south where there is nothing. Therefore I conclude that we have only seen the first ritual and can expect where the next two will take place -- and when: on the next two new moons. Does that make sense?

A possibility is that the second stanza is referring to the next night, and not necessarily the next new moon, but wouldn't we have already known if something happened then? My best guess, along with others from the group, is that we will see #2 at the next new moon. The nine symbols in the upper right corner seem to confirm that; the timeline implied begins with a new moon and ends with the third one.

I also would like to know if that island/group of rocks (depending on the tide) is significant.

yellowcard

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casablanca
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 		Meta Meta?
mortality wrote:
Jan Kirby?


Searched on "giant penguin" and "jan kirby" and got. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_penguin_hoax Screwy



On the OC:0701 front, it looks like Ethan is running out of time.

From Ethan's personal journal:
Quote:
The only reason 0701 is even still up on the site is because of that "ITS". What the hell is that about? Kennedy wants it down and he wants to hand all the stuff from 0701 over to the police. But now Christopher is interested and he is arguing that the "ITS" means that the letter is not a threat (and I know he would REALLY like another breakthrough to show off OC). Calvin is backing Christopher (surprisingly). Isabelle says the bigger the mystery the better the PR. So we've probably got a couple days before Kennedy vetoes all of them.


The "ITS" he is referring to is from his own solving of the center anagram in MSG4:
Quote:
so I thew some of my new-found anagram-fu at it. Lo and behold, but doesn't "the executed one" leap out right at the top of the list. Taken with the text that surrounds it, this ends up looking suspiciously like "the executed one SEALED ITS OWN FATE".


On the surface it seems obvious that whatever was executed was not a person, but something else. And that it did something to bring about its own execution. But what? Bang Head I have a feeling that solving the rest of this letter would answer that.

Now I really think that the OC:0701 letters are telling a story of some sort. It's just too much like something they'd do at the Autumn Country site.

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 		Two new trackbacks left on 0701 comments today. They could have been left by anybody, so we'll see:

e57c098e2c6a61f92562

92b302e7c7b2a403890c

EDIT: I also sent an email to Ethan asking if they had analyzed the ash found on the 0702 page. It could be something other than the tobacco residue they initially thought it may be, since Sandra found the black marks in the street at the ritual site.
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Ethan wrote:
Did you all find anything else in our archives, or in your own research, that might link Sandra's ritual to a place of power?
Question
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casablanca
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 		WDITOT and maybe a connection.
yellowcard wrote:
EDIT: I also sent an email to Ethan asking if they had analyzed the ash found on the 0702 page. It could be something other than the tobacco residue they initially thought it may be, since Sandra found the black marks in the street at the ritual site.


yellowcard: Part of the fun (sort of Confused Wink ) of this is reading something like that and getting the full fledged Why Didn't I Think Of That feeling. Good idea.

[spec] On the 0701 side I went back through all the letters and saw exactly one thing that might have to do with something. Ethan posted the "the executed one" from the anagram on MSG4, so I'm assuming that is the correct solve. William Wallace - mentioned in MSG3 - was executed and if I understand the story he did seal his own fate. Unfortunately, Wallace wasn't an IT. Unless the message refers to his ghost (which WF does mention).

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 		Kind of off the topic
In studying MSG4 (the cipher we solved) I noticed that Ethan mentioned that the author might have dropped ashes on the paper. However from high resolution inspection the smears have a very high moisture quality to them. I can say with almost certainty that the smears are from a pipe with very moist tobacco; whether or not the tobacco was fresh or it inherited moisture from the smoker/humid air is indistinguishable.
META- the Florida weather might account for this.

(Work has kept me too busy to be anything more than a forum lurker the last week. I will try to make time for solving the new puzzle this weekend. Don't worry I'm still in this one. =) Keep up the good work.)
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 		New comment on OC:0702
This comment is posted on case 0702:
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Comment by jademacalla | 2007/12/20 at 22:12:00 |e

Hey, Ethan:

I sent you an E-mail, but I figured I'd post it here too, just in case your spam filter's working overtime. Been following the site a little and saw your 'request for help'. I'd be happy to stop by wherever you need next time I'm in St. Pete with a few spare minutes. I live just across the bay in Tampa, and I get over there fairly often. Hit me on E-mail with the details of what you need checked out.

Jade

PS. Don't even think about asking me to help out with any codes, though. Hopeless.



Looks like we have someone who can check out the sites in St. Pete!

So this is the Jade from Djinn Productions right? At first I thought it was the Jade from Autumn Country, but that would make even less sense. Surprised

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I thought they were one in the same. Jade Macalla by day; sword dueling Jade of AC by night. I could be wrong. Wink
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