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[Rogi Ocnorb]

[dashcat]

I know Rogi.

In LotR, Humans were given 9 rings, Dwarves were given 7 rings and the Elves were given 3 rings but there wasn't a wise elf king who commanded the 3 Elven rings as far as I can tell. They were given to 3 different Elves who passed them on. Gandalf eventually ended up owning one. Most of the history of the rings come from The Lost Tales and the Silmarillion, neither of which I have read. I googled

But the ring wasn't a ring.

I think this might be the point where we leave LotR mythology and join up with the alchemical poem from 0702.

[Rogi Ocnorb]

We're probably dancing around the same interpretation, but I was talking specifically about the battle of the five armies/bands/rings in the Hobbit, just after Smaug is dispatched.

[Typoxic]

Hey. I just started on this about four hours ago. I relate how three of those hours were spent in an email I sent Ethan; the last one was catching up with this thread to make sure I wasn't repeating anybody.

[casablanca]

[dashcat]

The Wise King always makes me think of Solomon.

[mortality]

ETA:

[Typoxic]

[WolfHawk]

Good job, Typoxic!

Now, how does "punishment" fit into this?

[mortality]

Typoxic's idea may be right, with a twist, in light of the John Dee reference. John Dee studied Hermetics--alchemy, astrology and theurgy--which became the basis for the Rosicrucian secret society, akin to the masonic orders and Illuminati. (Anyone who followed Djinn's Overwatch will either groan or laugh now.)

[Typoxic]

I don't know. The 23 references seem like a red herring; Ethan seemed to think it wasn't relevant, which is a big clue. Between that and the fact that MSG3's meaning seems to go in another direction, numerology might be the wrong tack to take.

In MSG4, the text in the middle is supposed to be an anagram, right? "The executed one"? It doesn't appear to make sense as a William Wallace reference, or even necessarily as a reference to a person, given the pronoun "its". I get a feeling that "Duke of Manchester" has nothing to do with it, either; for some reason "Duke of Manchester" strikes me as an anagram. Maybe the text in the middle, as an obvious anagram on its own, is a clue that the rest of it is an anagram as well? Probably two anagrams - one inside the square and one outside. The bizarre pronoun also seems to suggest this. I'll pick at it and see if anything comes up.

[Typoxic]

"Often dies at Wales" is the best I can do for "Sealed its own fate". I can't say as it makes any more sense. "Duke of Manchester on again confusion" has "three" and "king" in it, but beyond that I'm stumped.

[Sylvia]

I wouldn't discount the number 23 theory just yet. I haven't had the time to sit down and do the research or study the patterns like I would like but I am doing my best to keep track of it. It may not have anything to do with the immediate puzzle but if the PMs don't use it in the overall puzzle then the makers of WHITECHAPEL OPEN CASE 070X MISSED ONE HELL OF A CHANCE.

As for the ring, king, seal, fate, etc.. Right off the top of my head I remember that kings used rings for there signature or seal. They sealed letters/documents with them. I'll look into it closer later but for now the things I'm am writing in my notes are:

1 in a ⃝ = one ring, one seal ???
2 under a ^ = two crowns, two powers, two kingdoms ????
3 in a Δ = three aspects in one ??? maybe Lord/God, Lord/King, Lord/Commander ??? (wasn't Jesus considered all of these and Lord of all of these)
4 in a ⃞ = four sides, four fates, four punishments ????
5 (if there is a 5th) will probably be in a pentagon or a pentagram. ☆ = ??? King Solomon's Seal ???

number 23, Alchemy, Aleister Crowley, Magick, Illuminatus, Freemasons, Knights Templar, King David, King Solomon, Solomon's Seal, Lovecraft, Cthulhu, The Elder Sign, ..... and the list goes on.

Also there is this comment on case 0701:

[mortality]