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mortality
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 		I'll catch up with you all later. I'm not quite as lost as Borges' character about where the real and the fantastic disappear, yet. Time to go associate with non-work reality. Very Happy

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 		Ok another thought.

The two marks, we are speculating, are pointing west to a third point. We speculated that the third point might be where the next event will be. It probably is where the next event will be but whoever is doing the ritual is also "drawing" a tringle. Is it possible they are making a Solomonic triangle? Once the three points have been made maybe they will conjure something into the center circle. So maybe we should be looking for the location in the center circle?

What kind of confuses me is that in a Solomonic Triangle the edges are inscribed with words of power. How are W. Wallace and Enlil and Ahasaurus words of power?
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 		Are you combining the two cases? I'm pretty sure they aren't related. Ethan seems to think I nailed the connection between those three guys.

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 		Yes I am combining the two cases. And I'm speculating. Finding the possible connection between the three names doesn't actually solve the puzzle. What does your solution mean? What does it lead to? And why don't you think they are connected?
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 		Just to clarify, are you getting the "circle" part of the Solomon's circle from the poem. The reference to the ring?

Just trying to understand how you are going about it, but I agree from what I have been reading the two cases don't seem to relate at all, for the moment at least.

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 		I think they are related.

I got the circle in the triangle from the Solomonic triangle on the website I posted above and from the faint circle on the 0702 letter with the checkmark shape.

I am taking a leap here. I think both cases deal with ritual and alchemy. 0702 lead us to St. Petersburg and the checkmark shape in the street and Sandra's description of the same thing further up the street. Casa made a map and Mort made an assumption that the two short lines should be extended til they meet, which draws a triangle.

0701 includes a letter with a triangle drawn on it and words around the edges. Ethan drops a hint (I think it was a hint) about John Dee. John Dee was a Magus and Alchemist.

The message from 0702 sounds pretty much like an alchemical formula to me. I've read a bunch of them from researching previous args.

Once again, this is speculation but to me the two cases seem related. I could be wrong. I often am.

ETA

Oh yeah the ring part. A ring can be a circle. Not a ring you wear but a circle you draw.

Another ETA

I have been working on the ciphers that were left on the comments page. I am getting nowhere with them. Its driving me crazy. Two of them are web addresses. I think we really need to crack those codes. We are being told that we need to find out who sent the letters. I think those coded messages will help us find that out.
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Sylvia
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dashcat wrote:
How are W. Wallace and Enlil and Ahasaurus words of power?
Could it be that they were all in positions of power? I drew a circle (ring) inside the triangle we got and overlaid in at the points in St. Pete. Would like it better if it pointed the other way. That would put Eden Island at approximately the center and the apex of the triangle pointing east which I think is the way Solomon's Triangle is suppose to point. I like this idea of Solomon's Triangle of Art/Evocation. And Yes! the two cases are related.

Links for research:
Choronzon
On the Triangle of Art
The Lesser Key of Solomon
The Key of Solomon
THE KEY OF SOLOMON THE KING
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dashcat wrote:
Yes I am combining the two cases. And I'm speculating. Finding the possible connection between the three names doesn't actually solve the puzzle. What does your solution mean? What does it lead to? And why don't you think they are connected?

Finding the connection seems to create a connection with, at the very least, the Ring poem; it seems to get a theme going. At best it gives a hint about MSG4 as well, though I don't know where to begin with that one.

I don't think they're connected because Ethan doesn't think they're connected, and because there's nothing apparent to connect them. Still, it's possible, and the best way to solve this is to work on any angles we can think of.

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 		It's Magick
I combined the ring, the triangle and the square.

Typoxic wrote:
I don't think they're connected because Ethan doesn't think they're connected
Ethan's answers are so vague it's hard to say what he thinks. But then he isn't suppose to know the answers. That's why he enlisted our help.

Edit: I took the words from MSG 2: three, king, only, was/commanded, the, wise, and added them to the corners of the triangle (the ^)
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 		Is that to scale?

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Sylvia
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 		Yes, it's to scale. Notice I just updated it and added the words from MSG2. Not knowing what words fit in which ^, I stuck with the order we got them not how we rearranged them to make the sentence "The wise King was/commanded only three."

I'm not saying this is correct by any means, but it's something.

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mortality
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 		Wow
You all have done a lot of work while I was AWOL.
I'm not sure I'm in a good state to follow everything that you have said, but I'll try. (I did have a good time, though, so I'll consider it worth it. Smile And I like that we have so many participants and lots of ideas to pick through...)

I did have a sober thought: what kind of solution do we expect to find for 0701: MSG3 and 0701: MSG4. Do we think they're anagrams? Ciphers? Logic puzzles? What are we looking for?

We've spent a lot of time speculating about the logic that created the puzzles, but very little time figuring out what kind of answer we're looking for.

On to specifics:
0701 and 0702 do seem to have a plausible, although unproven, tie. John Dee seems to provide an ostensible link. Alchemy, rituals, and secret societies. However, we don't have anything specific to prove it. We can't rely on assumptions; WF expects some sort of logical explanation for whatever we come up with. The Neil Gaiman references Casblanca spotted also seem to bear the connection out. Does that make sense?


dashcat wrote:

I have been working on the ciphers that were left on the comments page. I am getting nowhere with them. Its driving me crazy. Two of them are web addresses. I think we really need to crack those codes. We are being told that we need to find out who sent the letters. I think those coded messages will help us find that out.


Surfzoned/Sebring was working on those. It was his opinion that the solution would involve computer languages such as HEX and ASCII. I agree that they are not a straight cipher, mainly because we don't have enough letters to do frequency analysis, plus the comments included numerals. It'll probably require conversion through multiple computer languages to arrive at a result.

Before I left for the night I sent:
To Ethan wrote:
Ethan,
Sounds like you're starting to agree there might be something fishy with the Black Library and Hawthorne Group. It's OK, there's room on the bandwagon for ya. Smile Speaking of, how did they respond when Shannon submitted her report?

Meanwhile, your comment on 0701 about John Dee and symbolic kings, along with some other insights by one of the newer participants in the uC, sparked us to start thinking of the King Arthur and Grail legends. "One Ring" could stand for either the Grail, if we're talking chalices and not bloodlines (thanks Dan Brown!), or the Round Table.

Hasn't helped us come up with a concrete solution to MSG3 or MSG4, yet. But it seems like King Arthur and the Grail might be part of the framework tying all the puzzles together. Those stories sync up at various points with the secret society stuff (Knights Templar Illuminati, Rosicrucians, Freemasons, Merovingians), too.

So I guess tracking down WF records of the Round Table, Grail, and King Arthur can be your new homework assignment. I'm sure it'll keep you busy enough to forget about 0702 until 1/9.

-Mort


Ethan's reply wrote:
Dear Mort,

I didn't actually mean that I suspected Hawthorne, only that they would probably be involved if what has occurred in Florida is directly related to the document found in the Scarpelli library. I still think whatever is happening in St. Pete is related to an entirely different document.

John Dee, huh. I had to think about that to even remember mentioning him. I like him, though, fascinating figure.

I can't image how you got from Dee to King Arthur, but that is an interesting point about the round table being ring-like (still can't believe that clue was right there on the page the whole time). Did the round table "rule" all the knights, though, did it "bring" them and "bind" them? Figuratively, maybe. It did sort of bind them, but "rule" doesn't seem to fit.

I'm afraid I completely miss the grail = ring connection.

I'll see if there is anything else in the archives.

Intrigued,

Ethan


In the morning I'll explain to him that a grail chalice, when viewed from above, looks like a circle, i.e. a ring. Even if that seems to be barking up the wrong tree.

ETA: I really like the Solomon's Triangle/Triangle of Art angle. Looks good, even if we don't have any obvious conclusions to draw at the moment.

I also think it's important to note that if anyone has something they think Ethan should know, then they should feel free to email it to him. It's an entirely open, highly collaborative project. We don't have to count on one person to serve as an intermediary. Just make sure to share anything important with your peers at UF.

Ethan's email addresses: ethanSPLATwhitechapelfoundation.org; ethanagrantSPLATgmail.com

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 		I was afraid that when I came back, I'd missed a lot. So I missed some, but not much. A great solve on MSG1, by the way.

About 0702:

If Cherry St was first, and Pine St was second, then the logical conclusion is that the third location at the next full moon should be 1.85 miles @ 240° from the Pine St location, no?

I've taken the original map and drawn up the second angle, plus given a close-up of the final location.

I sooooo wanted this to be a public place, but it appears to be houses. Are there any locations along 16th St or 46th Ave or 47th Ave that are places of power, perchance?

Ethan's orders not to go to St. Pete's, plus Jade's coincidental travel to DC on that day seems to being telling us that We can't stop what happens, and that we'll just have to keep our eyes peeled for news or something. This may just all be confirmation for a later event to take place.

EDIT: Somehow I missed Casablanca's map. Sorry, I wasn't trying to take your ideas as my own.

It seems we are slightly off from each other on the exact location, but it's pretty close, nonetheless.
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mort wrote:
The Neil Gaiman references Casblanca spotted also seem to bear the connection out. Does that make sense?

If you are saying they point us right back to the Choronzon, Aleister Crowley, John Dee, Solomon, magick, etc.. then yes it made sense.

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Sylvia wrote:
Yes, it's to scale. Notice I just updated it and added the words from MSG2. Not knowing what words fit in which ^, I stuck with the order we got them not how we rearranged them to make the sentence "The wise King was/commanded only three."

I'm not saying this is correct by any means, but it's something.

It's really interesting that it fits that way. I can't wait to see what Ethan has to say about it.

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