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[WF][Trailhead] Whitechapel Foundation: Open Cases
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mortality
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It's certainly an interesting coincidence. Is it also possible that the square from MSG4 has some relationship? Can the two figures be overlaid?

Ethan will probably say we're just falling prey to the human trait of seeing patterns in random data. I think Ethan may be pointing more towards Yellowcard and Casablanca's analysis of where 0702's final ritual will be.

On the other hand, he keeps on telling us to figure out how all the 0701 puzzles relate...

Here's a question: if the two cases are linked, how many people are involved? On 0701 alone we have two or three different people who wrote "Whitechapel" on the envelopes. The differences in handwriting aren't just because of the marker/pen used.

Then you have someone who had access to the Scarpelli Library/Hawthorne Group in England.

And, according to Ethan's speculation, yet another group in FL working off a completely separate copy; maybe the original.

1/3/08 chats
Google chat with Ethan wrote:
me: Well congratulations.
Ethan: Hi Mort. Thanks, but for what? Because right now I feel pretty damn annoyed.
me: The Board's letting you keep your baby, 0701.
What's so irritating, other than being inundated with overexuberant unCollective speculation?
Ethan: Oh yeah, that part was good news. I'm pissed about 0702 because I was planning on going down there for next Tuesday.
me: You would've needed help, anyway, given how many sites there were to cover. 2 by Casa's reckoning, 3 if the figure was a triangle, not something similar in shape to the figure from the diagram.
So you'll go down on the 9th or have Jade follow-up gathering whatever is left after the fact.
Ethan: Yes, I know what you mean about the triangle and other orientations of the figure, but I felt there was a really good chance that it was oriented just like in the document. Could be wrong, but I know where I was going to be set up.
Smile I've already got a call out to Mr. Macalla.
me: You gonna be around for a bit? Have a speech to watch. Smile
Ethan: Naw, I was just getting ready to sign out. Been a long day. But you're right, it's been a good one too. There's been some great feedback on 01


Google chat with Jade wrote:
me: Happy New Year. Hope all you holiday celebrations went well.
Jade: Hey Mortality, Same back at ya.
me: How's everything else going? Saw that you got roped into Whitechapel's business as more than a curious observer.
Jade: Everything's cooler than liquid nitro, man. That Whitechapel gig is a hoot. I dig how seriously those cats take everything. Just wish I hadn't been pinged right on my way to check out that other site. I was actually pretty surprised at finding anything at Cherry street. It cracks me up these days what kids'll do to try to freak people out.
Ethan seems like a nice guy, though. And I know he wants that project to be seen as a success.
me: If his metric of success is the power of strangers collaborating, I think he can put it on the board. Don't know about the "verifying the mystical" part of it, tho. Remains to be seen.
I kind of wonder how some of these people even find Whitechapel to do these investigations. I hadn't heard of them until that email, yet Ethan says they're inundated with queries.
Jade: Sorry, got pulled away. Yeah, I don't much about that side of things. I guess they've been around for quite some time, and much longer on the other side of the pond. I know David's been friends with Calvin for a long time. (I think he has the honor of being one of the other real people that Valley's turned into an AC character.) But as for Whitechapel, I guess in certain circles people hear about them. Mostly academics and nut-jobs is my guess. You probably just never had a need to seek out someone to tell a crazy story to. Wink
3:00 meeting is calling, so catch ya later. Happy New Year.
me: Later.


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mortality wrote:
Here's a question: if the two cases are linked, how many people are involved? On 0701 alone we have two or three different people who wrote "Whitechapel" on the envelopes. The differences in handwriting aren't just because of the marker/pen used.


Mort, you keep saying that the handwriting on the four envelopes cannot be by the same person, but I honestly don't see how they could be by a different person. There are variances in each instance, particularly the curved "W" in 04, but the handwriting contains way too much similarity to be from someone else.

I've copied all four pictures into a Word document (sorry, that's as technically inclined as I get) so that we can see them side by side.

Look at the "a". It is very similar with a tendency to curve out to the right as the writer finishes the letter. On the "e", no doubt it's the same person from envelope to envelope: its loop is at the same angle and relative size in each photo. The arch on each "h" has very similar characteristics. The "t" is consistently crossed at the same point below the lower-case boundary line (no, I don't know the technical term for that line).

Envelope 04 looks different because the writer used a rounder approach to writing it out, but the characteristics of the handwriting are all still there.
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Take another look at the letter 'h's. The exaggeration of the curve varies. Some are significantly flatter than others. The height of the vertical also changes.

On the 'p's, the top of the curve varies in how it meets the vertical line.

The top of the 'c's are completed in varying manners.

Only two of the 'W's look alike. It's not just the last one that uses a rounded, more lower-case look. One of the blockier 'W's uses lines that are all of even height. The other two 'W's are much more irregular.

The relative heights of the letters also varies.

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I agree with yellowcard on this one. There are too many similarities for it to be different. I can write 10 different ways in a single day depending on what I'm writing it with and how important neatness and style is to me a the moment. Besides analyzing the handwriting gets us no where. So please stop bringing it up because it's distracting from what we should be concentrating on.

Edit to add: I also got the impression that the angels in St. Pete were not trying to make a triangle but something like the following. But it wouldn't make much sense like this.
Code:

north

/|61st & pine
 |                  east
/|12th & cherry
 |

south



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From Jade's video, he stressed a few times that he was facing north. The short leg of the checkmark was on the left which would be west. We haven't seen the second one so we can only speculate on that.

About the coded messages. The number/letter ones look like Hex but don't translate to anything. I tried finding the symbols that were produced (when I put it thru a hex decoder) on the ascii table but that didn't lead anywhere either. I thought it might be a digraph cipher. You can convert the numbers to letters beginning with 0=A and group them in pairs. It would look like this:

92 B3 02 E7 C7 B2 A4 03 89 0c Converted it would look like this:
JC BD AC EH CH BC AE AD IJ AC.

I ran that thru a digraph applet but still no results. It seems that this is probably a double or triple coded message but I am probably wrong. I am pretty weak on solving codes.

The messages that are all letters look like vigenere to me but I don't know what to use as a keyword.
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Jade was standing north of the ash outline facing south.

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Sylvia
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I sent a copy of the diagram I made by combining the 4 messages to Ethan to see what he thought about it. I noticed this in his status window.
Quote:
More intrigue than a d'Medici femily reunion.


google search link for research: d'Medici

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Ethan updated his blog

http://ethangrant.wordpress.com/
http://ethangrant.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/with-a-week-like-that/

After reading this, I wonder if we are over thinking this, could it be something as simple as:

One Ring
Two Carets/Carats/Carrots/Crowns/???
Three Angles/Angels/???
Four Squares/Sides/???

is it possible from that we can get an overall solution.
Code:
0^^<<<####


or one letter comes from Ring
two come from Carets/...
three come from Angles/...
four come from Square/...

something like the puzzle that says my first is in ring, my second is in caret, my third is in angle and my fourth is in square


Just throwing some stuff around. Getting it down before I forget and so others might see something.

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There are plainly two layers to the 0701 puzzles. 1st is the puzzle itself. MSG1 and MSG2 both had clear solves, we only had to figure out the underpinning logic/references and apply it. 2nd is how the puzzles relate to each other.

MSG2, our first solve, didn't fall into place until we recognized what the numbers referred to. Unless we're still missing something, the ^2 didn't really play a part.

MSG1, we had to identify what the message was (poem, the easy part), who wrote it, which one it was, and how it was encoded. (1) was possibly a very subtle hint as to where we needed to look.

We still have to figure out what the solutions to MSG3 and MSG4 will look like. On its face, the /3\ only references the triangle framing the names.

Same goes for the square on MSG4. Our only hint so far is that it probably has to do with an anagram. Unless there's some sort of box or chest that the Duke of Manchester/FreeMasons are known for.

When Ethan mentioned John Dee, it seemed to be a good indication of what might tie the 0701 puzzles together...but Dee dabbled in lots of things, so we still have to narrow down the possibilities.

Re D'Medici: Ethan told us the Scarpelli Library originated during the Medici reign.

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I'm tempted to go find some Mensa members and see what they think. I mean, all they do is puzzles, right?

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Typoxic wrote:
I'm tempted to go find some Mensa members and see what they think. I mean, all they do is puzzles, right?


Hahahahaha I'm in Mensa. I'm not sure I can help though, as my membership definitely doesn't come with the guarantee that I can solve any puzzle that gets thrown my way. Smile
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mort wrote:
MSG2, our first solve, didn't fall into place until we recognized what the numbers referred to. Unless we're still missing something, the ^2 didn't really play a part.
True unless it has something to do with two crowns.

mort wrote:
When Ethan mentioned John Dee, it seemed to be a good indication of what might tie the 0701 puzzles together...but Dee dabbled in lots of things, so we still have to narrow down the possibilities.

that's what scares me, all that John Dee stuff and the Enochian stuff is way over my head. Looking at the imagery and understanding it is two different things. But maybe we don't have to understand it, just how it might be related to our puzzles.

So, let me see if I'm understanding this correctly:

1) One Ring to rule them all, One ring to bring them all and bind them.
2) The wise king commanded only three. (If the wise king here refers to Solomon, that may explain the ^2, since Solomon ask for wisdom instead of riches he was given both.???)
3) God/Enlil, King/Ahasuerus, Commander/W.Wallace (or three levels of power.)
4) not sure yet

I'm just trying to make sense of this and trying to figure out how we are suppose to come up with a name from of all this since that is what WCF seems the most interested in.

As for the Scarpelli Library, I couldn't find much info about it online. But I did notice that the numbers from Ethan's email that said:
Quote:
Scarpelli Annex 34.16.07.110 document

the 34.16.07.110 looked like an IP address. I did a whois on it and it comes back to the miltary DoD NCI namely

OrgName: Halliburton Company
OrgID: HALLIB-1
Address: 10200 Bellaire Blvd
City: Houston
StateProv: TX
PostalCode: 77072-5299
Country: US

I know, that's just way off topic.

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Some more interesting links about king Solomon:

The Temple and The Demons

This is interesting, although it's based on an RPG called In Nomine, One Ring to Rule Them All

This is a google search: with one ring Solomon commanded them sealing his own fate the executed one

ETA:
mort wrote:
Same goes for the square on MSG4. Our only hint so far is that it probably has to do with an anagram. Unless there's some sort of box or chest that the Duke of Manchester/FreeMasons are known for.

The main symbols for the Masons, that I know of, is the compass and the square.

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miki_38x1 wrote:
Typoxic wrote:
I'm tempted to go find some Mensa members and see what they think. I mean, all they do is puzzles, right?

Hahahahaha I'm in Mensa. I'm not sure I can help though, as my membership definitely doesn't come with the guarantee that I can solve any puzzle that gets thrown my way. Smile
*goes back to lurking*

I'm pretty sure if you get enough Mensa members together, they can solve any puzzle. We just need more fresh perspectives from puzzle-solvey types.

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