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Sylvia
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looking at it from a differnt angle

since everyone is adding images, I though I would add this one to see if we can see something different. It's not exact but close enough that it won't matter. Also, I got the date for r2 as Dec 9 which should have be Dec. 11.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:19 pm
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Sylvia
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So that we can all be on the same page, here is what I sent to Petra earlier today.

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Dear P,

I want to thank you for your help. What you shared with us has been very helpful, although we haven't been able to come up with any concrete leads yet. I can see why you are pissed at Philly. I would have been fuming.

The fact that Philly was always holding on to that matchbook would explain that he may have dropped it when whatever it was happened that night. It also makes me think that he knew something was going to happen, you know, kinda like one of those "who to contact in case of an emergency" cards. He may have dropped it on purpose so that whoever found it would have a lead on finding him. At least that's my hopes since we were the ones to find it.

Do you know if Slider has an online presence such as myspace or something like that. Or do you know how we could get in contact with him, maybe email. Maybe he can help us.

I noticed that you said that you were the one who typed in the question to "our lady of smoke" about your cat's where about. I was wondering if you had a closer look at her screen name at that time and maybe just need your memory jogged to recall the full name. It's odd that she would know where your cat was if Philly didn't plan the whole thing like you said. Maybe you should check with your neighbor and ask her if Philly had anything to do with her getting the cat. You know what they say, curiosity killed the cat but satisfaction brought it back.

Also, did you happen to notice what Philly's screen name is? What chat program (Instant Message client) was he using? Do you know his email? Did he have a blog? Sorry for all the questions but we need all the help we can get to help find him.

The suffix "trix" is fitting for a woman who has so much power over a man that would cause him to just walk out like that. She must really have him over a barrel or something. Personally, I think she is the reason Philly was at that location that night doing something she ordered him to do. How did you chose your own screen name, Petra? Is it your real name or does it have a meaning that could explain what "our lady of smoke" might have meant when she typed it in? Is it possible that when she told Philly he had to give up Petra she actually meant "Stone". (Petra in Greek means stone.) Did Philly have any kind of stone that you know of?

I also noticed that you said you called Philly so you could scream at him, the fact that he didn't answer worries me. What is his phone number? It might help us with finding him. Also is Philly his real name or is it a nickname for say Philip or something?


If you can remember anything that could help us, even the urls to the strange stuff he was looking at on his computer, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
Sylvia

P.S. When we find Philly, I will personally tell him what a low life he is for walking out on you like that. And if he doesn't have a good reason, I will kick him in the you know what. But if it turns out, as I hope it does, that he was protecting you, then I will tell him he owes you a large explanation and a beautiful night out on the town and HIS LIFE.


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So it's safe to say RN isn't the culprit in the apparent abduction. To me, it looks most like the people in the van were with the guy performing the ritual (Philly?) and when shit went south they scooped him up. This estimation seems so likely to me that I'm voting we go ahead and tell Ethan about BE and his findings, if no one has already. I really don't think they're the same person; what possible motivation could Ethan have to screw with us like that? It doesn't accomplish anything for him.

The other possibility about why Philly had the matchbook in his hand is that he was worried. She said it was like a good luck charm - maybe he was holding it like some people might hold a rosary or rabbit's foot.

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Sylvia
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Typoxic, you make some good points. But regardless if BE is or is not Ethan, I don't think we should tell him because on a meta level I'm afraid it will mess up the game. I think when the time is right to tell him, we will know. Just my 2 cents.

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Typoxic wrote:
So it's safe to say RN isn't the culprit in the apparent abduction. To me, it looks most like the people in the van were with the guy performing the ritual (Philly?) and when shit went south they scooped him up. This estimation seems so likely to me that I'm voting we go ahead and tell Ethan about BE and his findings, if no one has already. I really don't think they're the same person; what possible motivation could Ethan have to screw with us like that? It doesn't accomplish anything for him.


I dunno. Where was the van at the beginning of the vid? They could have dropped him off and been waiting off to the side, but couldn't BE have seen that? I can't decide what happened here, honestly.

Reasons not to tell Ethan (yet):
He will be obligated to tell his bosses, who will freak and shut down OC:0702.
It could cause RN (among others?) to focus on him, for better or worse, possibly putting him in some kind of jeopardy.

If BE is Ethan, he'd be doing it not to screw with us, but to provide us with information outside of official WCF channels which, as we've seen, can be a little sensitive. Patel and Kennedy don't seem to want to get into anything truly inexplicable or dangerous, and any hint of that in the past has made them nervous and caused talk of shutting down the project. Ethan doesn't seem to want that, but as a WCF agent his reach is limited.

However, BE's comments don't necessarily fit with that theory (I'll have to reread them). It also brings up the question of how Ethan shot the video if he was supposed to be in/en route to Ohio at the time (or if someone else shot it for him). It is a nice theory though, since we have several different entities/groups all of a sudden and it would be nice to reduce the number.

Re: the matchbook: I think this has been mentioned before, but just in case - it appears that none of he matches have been used.

yellowcard raises an interesting point. BE assumed we knew where r3 took place, but we really didn't. Even if we'd bet the farm on Casa's or yellow's maps, we still would've been off by a few blocks. No way would we have guessed 47th & 14th. This makes me think that BE is NOT Ethan.

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petunia wrote:
yellowcard raises an interesting point. BE assumed we knew where r3 took place, but we really didn't. Even if we'd bet the farm on Casa's or yellow's maps, we still would've been off by a few blocks. No way would we have guessed 47th & 14th. This makes me think that BE is NOT Ethan.


I'm beginning to think horseshoes and hand grenades on this one.

Assuming Ethan is BE:

Ethan's hands are tied by his superiors.

Ethan soooooo wanted to go to Tampa.

Ethan is otherwise pretty much his own boss there in Knoxville. He comes and goes as he pleases to check out leads for supernatural events.

We gave Ethan a map of what we thought may be the next location, which he seems to think was going in the right direction.

Ethan came up with a trip out-of-town. Dayton? Yeah, sure. It makes a great cover for being out-of-pocket for a little while, even if it does happen to be at the same time as the new moon.

Jade really can't say anything as Jade, either. He's Ethan friend from the past and anything he says can be viewed suspiciously by Ethan's superiors.

Who is going to post this event in semi-cryptic form on a blog, with this much detail, with a statement that they don't want to collaborate, yet still refer to "E.G." and says that he shouldn't be told? Any other outside looking at the WF website and taking such actions would help as much as possible -- unless he didn't want to be found.

And that's why I think Ethan is BE. Or maybe Jade working with Ethan.


1.85 miles was derived from the golden ratio (3.00/GR=1.85) as to get the distance of the shorter arm of the 2:00 figure. we never concluded for certain that it was the golden ratio, but if it wasn't, it was incidentally close. The angle was off by a smidgen, but over 1.85 miles, one block or so isn't really that far off.

Uh, horseshoes and hand grenades... and nuclear warfare.

edited from Nashville to Knoxville.. why can't I be normal?
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Sylvia
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email from Petra

I wasn't expecting anything today, but wow, here it is.

Petra to Sylvia wrote:

Sylvia,

Thanks for the nice thought there at the end. You really think he might have thought he was protecting me somehow? I don't know thinking back through things he never much thought about other people. Who knows. I wish I could remember more about his stuff, but I was just never that interested in it. It wasn't something we ever did together you now, not like playing a video game or something. I know his email cause I sent him email sometimes you know funny videos and stuff. Its rambackSPLATgmail.com. When he first told it to me I asked what that meant and he did his little cool guy smile and said its like any initiation you got to figure out the secret yourself. I said WTF and dropped it. Dont take this the wrong way but I wouldn't feel right giving you his last phone number cause I think it was jacked. He changed numbers about once a week, so it probably wouldn't work anymore anyway. Yeah his name is Phillip but I'm pretty sure with 2 ps.

I couldn't tell you if that chick or whoever had anything to do with what he was doing. I still think it was just one of his stupid friends. Funny you should say that about the lady in my complex cause I thought about that last night to. She's all the way over on the other side of the complex and I went over there and asked her today cause I was thinking the same thing. And she said that she had never seen Philly or me before that day when we showed up to get the cat. And she started acting weird like how could we even know that she had the cat in the first place. So I left pretty quick. All I can remember is that he said she was like a delfy and I didn't know what he was talking about and I didn't ask. The chat he was using was that one with the weird name skype I think. I don't use it. I've really been trying to remember the screen name and I just cant. I'm almost sure it started with cap cause I remember thinking that I had a cousin named cap and I always thought that was a funny name for a girl. Maybe the next part was no but I can't be sure. It was all one word though I do remember that. No periods or underlines or anything.

Don't know much about Slider. He'd show up sometimes at parties that Philly would go to. I never knew anyone and he was the only person who would ever say two words to me. I'm pretty sure he was into the stuff too, but he didn't have that same macho thing going on that Philly did. Seemed pretty nice but I never knew his email or anything like that. I'll let you know if I think of anything else, but like I said I just never paid attention to that part of it.

P

PS I forgot about the part you asked about the rock. No he didn't have any rock or anything. My names really Petra. Its petty obvious that he was just getting rid of me.


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Jade's take on Petra's reply (the one where she first mentioned Philly):
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Dammit, dude, open up is right. Sounds like she needed someone to talk to. Guy sounds like a real dipshi...uh, not sure how you feel about colourful language (Mad Lib it as you like).
So she doesn't even know where the punk lived? Anyone got a line on Mr. Slider yet? (100 to 1 he was the mystery "Trix" behind the curtain - what a bunch of little twits.)

More soon,
Jade


Zip on tracking down Philly or *trix , yet. Working on it. Spokeo was useless.

ETA: creating a skype account, since that's obviously the next step to find OLoS. Philly might outright be a bust, but I will keep looking.

name we might be looking for: capnomatrix/ capnomantrix

Found a capnomantrix in Switzerland (female) on Skype. How do we want to approach her?
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All I can think of for his name is that it (almost) anagrams to "macabre".

As for OLoS... Here's a list of *trix words that may spark something.
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realitynow summarizings

Past:

The attempted interception of an item exchange on Monday, Nov. 12, 2007 at 8 p.m. at the Garden State Plaza shopping mall in New Jersey. Supposedly this is an upscale mall so this doesn't sound too dangerous, yet RN rated it "persrisk.high". The attempt was aborted.
Maybe we should ask Ethan to search the archives for anything happening in New Jersey around that time, just in case.

I was also going to speculate that the item being exchanged could've been the iron rod - but it was already around time for r1 to happen, since r2 happened on 12-11-07. So they (the ritual-performers, not RN) would've had to get it down to FL toot sweet. Although we are talking lunar months, right, so that would've given them a few days.

Future:

RN will attempt to "ID" someone/something at an "Initiation" on Feb. 6, 2008 at 7:15 p.m., in th city block defined by Wellington, Tavistock, Catherine & Exeter Streets, London, UK. This location is less than 1 mile from Whitechapel's London offices. "Note: 'could use backup.' Also, "persrisk.high", not surprising considering we don't know whether the summoning ritual was successful or not.

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Sylvia
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I must agree with yellowcard that BE is Ethan. It's takes to long to post all my proof so I will just link to my reasoning:

first from the chat here between mort and Ethan
then from this post on Ethan's blog and the comments on it.
then Ethan's email here to dashcat, which explains why BE thought yellowcard already knew the location.
then from this post on Ethan's blog on Jan. 9
Ethan wrote:
Posting this here real quick since my RSA token is in the car and I can't VPN to the Foundation without it. But I didn't want to forget so…

I don't know what kind of RSA he has, but I would bet the farm on it that his geological location could be tracked if he used it.

Anyways, I think if you guys read those you will come to the same conclusion. And I think it's best we don't directly mention this on Ethan's blog or Whitechapel, it might cost Ethan his job. After all they thought he was "up in Dayton," on assignment. But since Ethan lives and works from his Knoxville home, WCF has no proof of where he actually went. I'm sure someone is going to dispute this and show me where I'm totally wrong. But, this is the way I see it.

I think it would be ok to post a hint to let him know we got IT, though. Like in the comments post something like. man I got up Early this morning and the sun was shining On me so Bright . Wink Just a thought.

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Ethan updated his blog
wow, what a day

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The hinterlands…

Posted on January 15, 2008 by ethangrant

…of Dayton were just the setup of a twisted experiment in human endurance visited upon me by my nameless, faceless superiors. (A little melodramatic, especially since he has a name and I know what it is - and I don't even know where that faceless came from.) First the mind-numbing tedium, then the anticlimax of a (not particularly clever) hoax (not sure what that says about me), then the frenetic deluge (two great words that go together like wisteria and lampblack. Actually…) of work that I missed that I now have to crawl out from under. It's enough to make a person want to eat a whole pie.


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I went ahead and did it. I sent a generic email to Ethan and then included this "nonsensical" post script:

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P.S. The unCollective has decided that the sun must shine on you bright and early in the morning.


If it's him, he'll know. If it's not, he won't.
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sounds good.

I updated Brighton Early with our new info:
Sylvia to Bright wrote:
B,

Not sure you if you still want me to share info with you or not. But to be on the safe side this is what I have managed to find out.

Our man Philly's real name is Phillip Markovich. His email is ramback at gmail dot com.

He used Skype to contact Our Lady of Smoke. I managed to get a partial screen name for her: capno?trix.
There's a female from Switzerland with the screen name capnomantrix but for some reason that just doesn't seem right. I'll have to get back to you on that one.

Nothing new on Philly's friend Slider.

S.

ps. Could you send me a heads up (yes) or heads down (no) to let me know if you want me to continue sending these updates. I don't want to waste your time or mine if I shouldn't be.


ETA: Today, Jan. 16, at about 5:00 pm EST, I sent a follow up email to Brighton Early with the new info mort discovered beginning here: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22276&start=600
Sylvia to BE wrote:

B,

here's a little more info. it turns out capnomantrix is "Our Lady of Smoke" on Skype and Philly is also on Skype screen name ramback. Still no info on Slider.

S


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Petra probably meant Philly called Capnomantrix a delphi, as in the oracle. Entirely possible that Slider catnapped the feline and left it for the neighbor to find, and therefore, as Jade suggested, Slider's playing Capnomantrix. If we want to be more credulous, then Capnomantrix really is some kind of psychic.

The Delphi Oracles were affiliated with Apollo and breathed in sulfurous, volcanic fumes or some kind of hallucinogenic smoke to have their visions. The prophecies were affiliated with madness, so it's entirely plausible this person is just delusional. Any other affiliations with smoke? What about smokey djinn and magic lamps?

Can we figure out the logical order for the passwords without reaching Slider or Philly? Are midnight blue and salmon known to be affiliated with the Oracle? Is there a third color? Pythian colors are yellow, red and blue, but that might refer to the modern Knights of Pythias society, not the Oracle. If those are the colors, then is a shade of yellow, like marigold, next?

We done with Petra? Anything else to ask, like if anything else went missing before/around when the cat did? Just let her know she's been very helpful and if/when we find out what happened to Philly, we'll let her know?

The thing about BE's identity: if Ethan really doesn't want us associating the two of them, then a denial means nothing. The only answer from Ethan that settles it is "yes, I am BE."

Ethan's post did reference lampblack, a kind of soot found in the pigment used for matches. Wisteria is a vine that grows purple flowers. I don't see a relationship between it and lampblack.

Lampblack could be a hint towards Capnomantrix. Wisteria being the hue we need to mention?

If that's so, then the question becomes: what question should the Oracle answer? "What happened to Philly Markovich?" or "What happened to Ramback?"
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