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[WF][Trailhead] Whitechapel Foundation: Open Cases
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Sylvia
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very good Mort. so our pass code for Capnomantrix is Wisteria. Or at least that sounds like what Ethan is telling us.

ETA: Way to go mort. (see his post below)

ramback on skype

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:18 am
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mortality
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Something like that. Ethan'd probably say I'm seeing patterns where none exist, tho. But he and Jade have given us clues that they shouldn't have known about before, too. Lord of the Rings and Hobbits, anyone?

Philly's skype username is ramback, duh. Full name lists initials P.M.

Can't believe I missed that first time around.

Capno's full name on Skype: smoke. Just so there's no doubt.

ETA: so is capnomantrix a female version of Mulder's smoking X-Files nemesis?

And should we instead ask how we can find/contact Slider, as Jade seems to be suggesting?
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petunia
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mortality wrote:
Full name lists initials P.M.


Is that thunder I hear in the distance? Laughing

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And should we instead ask how we can find/contact Slider, as Jade seems to be suggesting?


That's the way I'd go. I wonder if Capno & Philly will be on Skype much/any (more than Ethan & Jade are on IM) - wondering if I should get Skype... Foily!

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I need to have a serious conversation with my boss, because missing a couple days in a row around here is not cutting it. Smile I think I'm caught up, at least on the basic plot flow. I just wish I had more to contribute. Here is some information that I didn't see posted. Since I had to look it up, I figure it may not be common knowledge.

Capnomancy is a real type of divination. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/capnomancy
(Mortality, you rock.)

Ramback is a brand of roll your own cigarette tobacco.
http://www.ryotobacco.com/page/ryot/PROD/dandr/ram35

A lot of references to smoke, huh? And where there's smoke there's fire. Very Happy

I looked at the video a couple more times, and I don't see where Philly could have struck the matches. I think they were supposed to have ignited as a result of whatever he was doing, or maybe from whatever happened to him. Just spec.

Sylvia, awesome work with the letters.

One thing I noticed from the one where Petra was describing Philly chatting with OLoS, she said in both cases that he said "Thanks" after he got his answer. Might not be important, but if we are going to try to contact her there may be a correct process to follow.

My 2 cents says Ethan is probably BE. If so, he at least did a little homework about Dayton to make it look like he was there. He mentioned the Kava House in his journal and that's a real place - with free wifi access - near Dayton.

I had to go through this fast, so I probably posted something that's already been said. If so, feel free to trout. Wink

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Sylvia
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here's the follow up email I sent to Petra a little bit ago. I'm sort of foggy today, stayed up too late last night, so I hope I didn't forget anything. Anyways, even though I swore I would not install another chat program, I broke down and I'm installing Skype right now.
Sylvia to Petra wrote:
Petra,

Wow Petra, you would not believe how helpful your last email was. I can't thank you enough. If you remember anything else please let me know.

As it turns out both "our lady of smoke" and Philly both have a skype account. Her screen name is capnomantrix and his is ramback. We haven't managed to have any contact with either of them, yet, but I'm sure we will soon.

I understand that you are not interested in what he is doing and that you have no desire to ever see him again. But if we manage to contact him, I plan on keeping that promise I made to you in the post script of my last email. And if you want, I will let you know what we find out.

Once again, I can't thank you enough. Stay in touch. If you remember anything that might help let me know asap. If you find out anything else about Slider that would be helpful too.

I owe you one
Sylvia


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petunia
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Nope, casa, you're trout-free! Very Happy Good research, too!

I was looking at the names on RN and for a few minutes thought that devislade might = spearmint... but no, at least not the way I was going. FWIW, all the names seem to be a combination of two words. No time to post now because I need to get some paying work done Razz, but I'll look some more when I get home.

I emailed Jade last night asking him to check out the r3 location and the coordinates from RN for that night (DANGIT, I just realized I left out 61st & Pine! Bang Head). Although I realized today that RN says "poc.(-)" for Jan. 8, so maybe they didn't even have anybody there at all... it may be a pretty much meaningless spot for all we know. Confused Oh well.

I also emailed Ethan asking him to look into the Cherry St. event and see if there were more details, since Sylvia and I realized in chat that we never actually got around to asking. So we don't even have a date, though safe money says it was about a month before r2. I also asked him to search the archives for stuff that may have come up in New Jersey around the time of the "item exchange" described by RN.

Another good email, Sylvia. Smile

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Sylvia
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Ok, I did it. I got Skype. My screen name is syl.vi.a so if any of you want to add me that would be great.

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Great Job Guys!

Sylvia you did a great job interacting with Petra. I don't know why you are shy about it, in other games you've gotten great results too. Smile


When I was looking for latin words that mean smoke, I came across CAPNO but I had my heart set on FUMI for some reason. If I had read the rest of the CAPNO page I would have seen CAPNOMANCY. The art of divining using the smoke from burning sacrificial offerings, human or animal. And Capno is of greek origin, as is Petra. Petra you know means stone but I discovered while looking into the Oracles of Delphi that the temple for the Oracle is built over the Omphalos stone. Omphalos means navel and the stone designates the center of the world.

ETA

Doh, I get a mini trout for the capnomancy part. I just didn't see Casa's post.

I did have an additional thought though. What if the case of spontaneous combustion was a sacrifice in order for the capnomancer to read the smoke? Creepy but it could fit in with all of this.
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I don't think any of the three 0702 rituals was part of Capnomantrix's divinations, dashcat. It sounds like she performed divinations in response to Skype chats and used them to answer the questions. (Alternatives: insane, but a good guesser; Slider)

Capnomantrix seems like she can either tell us what ramback/philly wanted, tell us what happened to him, and/or tell us how to reach Slider, who may have more information.

yellowcard wrote:
Jade really can't say anything as Jade, either. He's Ethan friend from the past and anything he says can be viewed suspiciously by Ethan's superiors...

And that's why I think Ethan is BE. Or maybe Jade working with Ethan.


Jade and Ethan don't know each other in person. They first became acquaintances in December as a result of us requesting that Ethan check with Djinn about sending someone to talk to Sandra and examine 61st and Pine.

Ethan's a recent post-grad in his mid to late 20s. Jade's old enough to be his father. Their paths seem too divergent to have crossed before now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:06 pm
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badaim68
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Colours

It may be important to note that the colours used as passwords (?) to capnomantrix are descriptions of Hex RGB colour codes used in HTML tags and CSS attributes.

Midnight Blue is 2F2F4F
Salmon is 6F4242

Neither Lampblack nor Wisteria are used.

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Sylvia
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Wisteria is C9A0DC.
It seems one can get different values depending on where they look or the exact hue that's used. for example:

Wisteria = CTA0DC link

Midnight Blue = 191970 link

Midnight Blue = 000033 link

Midnight Blue = 2F2F4F

Salmon = FA8072 link

Salmon = 6F4242

LampBlack = 2E473B link

LampBlack = 131313 link


So I don't think the hex is all that important. Lets hope not anyways. We have enough confusion as it is.

But I do feel that the pass code may get changed and if one is not part of the group he/she would not have any way of knowing the new code. So we may need to figure out their system or hopefully Ethan can keep cryptically passing them on to us. I know that just brought up another set of questions. But let's just assume that Ethan knows a lot and is into a lot and needs us as allies. And just maybe one of us will have to join them. I wonder what the initiation is.

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reply from Ethan

Ethan wrote:
Hello, very nice to hear from you. Ohio wasn't as bad as I'm sure I've made it sound (I grew up in Evansville, after all), and it was a learning experience in many ways. If nothing else I remembered what it was like to be an 18 year old kid with way too much free time.

I'm almost certain that we've not gotten any corroborating information on Cherry street (if you are referring to the possible first ritual of the 0702 cycle), since I'm sure I would have heard of it. We have all the clippings from the human combustion case, but from what I've seen that's all on the Internet. I always figured that Cherry Street must have happened on November 10th.

Let me check on that Garden State thing. I was just telling Mort that I'm puzzled by this Reality Now stuff. Good idea to see what that event might refer to.

Regards,
Ethan

PS. 2/3 of a s'more! Wait! There's that 23 again...


(The P.S. was in reply to my P.S.: "A whole pie? Please, no. (Says the girl who's been eating graham crackers & chocolate chips (no marshmallows)...)"

Is it weird that I'm kind of getting a crush on Ethan? Embarassed Foily! Laughing

EDIT: Googling "spontaneous human combustion cherry" gave me this, which refers to a real case from 1951, but in Miami:
http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/spontaneoushumancombustion.htm
However, adding "1200 Cherry" brings up several hits for the same event, but in St. Pete's. Adding "Miami" to that brings up only one page, the FBI one. So I guess the gubmint got something wrong on this one, ZOMG. Shocked Silly

Anyway, the upshot seems to be that while the SHC happened back in 1951, 1200 Cherry is a "place of power", so r1 probably took place there. If Jade were to go there, he might find another burn mark on the ground and maybe even a witness or two for the night of Nov. 10 or thereabouts.

EDIT2: Never mind, I got my locations confused. He's already been to Cherry, but not to Pine. I guess we just have to assume r1 happened on Nov. 10 - no reason not to.

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reply from Jade
double posting for clarity, cuz i ain't gots none to spare :P

The first bit is in reference to me telling him about the RN site, which we hadn't told him about yet.

Jade wrote:
Yeah, I just sent Mort a note on that. He mentioned spearmint's people and I wasn't really sure what he was on about. Thanks for the info.

Sure, I was planning to run by the two sites (I guess the Sandra site and the Philly site, for lack of a better way to talk about them) next time I have a chance. The coords for the other site look pretty general, though.

Hold on a second.

OK, back. That's what I thought. I used to live not too far from there. Shot one of my PORTFOLIO episodes near there at Crescent Lake. Just residential and professional offices. I'll run by if I can (I like going by the old neighborhood anyway), but I'm not optimistic there'll be anything to see; a) there's not much there and b) those coords tell me that they weren't very sure of where they were going. Not sure I'd assume that someone set up at that exact location. But who knows.

More soon,
Jade


Seems to be corroborating (sp?) my (late) realization that there seems not to have been a "poc" for r3. And yet, "intent.disrupt" implies they meant to do SOMETHING - what exactly, and from where? Maybe they were the guys in the van after all? I dunno. Confused

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Sylvia
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so that we can all get on the same page here is the info about the spontaneous human combustion. Date was July 2, 1951

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/31/TampaBay/Hunt_for_haunts.shtml

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1200 Cherry St. NE, St. Petersburg

The one-story cream-colored apartment building on the corner is a quiet place. Today. But in July 1951, when the building was known as the Allamanda Apartments, it was the focus of a national sensation.

Sometime early on July 2, Mary Hardy Reeser, 67, fell asleep in her easy chair in her small studio apartment. When firefighters broke down the door at 8 a.m., they found a modest pile of black ashes, a human skull the size of a teacup, and a slippered foot. Amazingly, the apartment had almost no fire damage. The FBI was brought in. No one heard a scream, the electric system was in good working order, and foul play was ruled out.

Among the explanations: spontaneous human combustion.

Posner knew the case. What people forget, he said, is that Reeser was a stout woman (she weighed 175 pounds), who had apparently taken a sleeping pill and then fallen asleep with a lighted cigarette. The chair's stuffing burned slowly, fueled by the melted body fat and a partially opened window.

"To call it spontaneous is ridiculous," Posner said.

As for the shrunken skull, Posner said a forensic anthropologist theorized that the skull probably burst in the fire and was destroyed, and the object found was the musculature of the neck where it attaches to the base of the skull.

Case closed.

So what do we believe? None of it? Some of it?

"I want to believe the truth, whatever the truth might happen to be," Posner said. "There are natural explanations for bumps in the night. I'm not saying it can't be a ghost. But there are other possible explanations."


And http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/16/Life/Tampa_Bay_s_ghosts_ha.shtml

Quote:
The Cinder Lady: Sixty-six years ago in a studio apartment at 1200 Cherry St. NE in St. Petersburg, 67-year-old Mary Hardy Reeser fell asleep in her living room. The next morning, firefighters broke down the door and found only a foot, a tiny human skull, and a pile of black soot. Some say she spontaneously combusted. Some -- like the FBI -- say she fell asleep holding a lit cigarette and burned like a candle wick. The Cinder Lady, as she's known, may not be a ghost, per se. But we sure wouldn't like to meet what's left of her in a darkened alley.

I think they messed up on their time, that should have been Fity-six years (56) not Sixty-six (66) but I guess 66 sounds more scary. There goes that brain seeing patterns again.

I believe, the human combustion was an effect of the ritual that took place back then, in other words the old woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think any harm was intended, she was just too close to where the ritual took place. (remember now, I'm talking about a real event as it might fit into our current fantasy. No, I haven't lost it. Not yet anyways)

The big question is, why 56 years between r1 and r2?

The first event for Reality Now was on Nov 12, 2007, an attempt to intercept an exchange of an item. Then on Dec. 11 (a month later) is when Sandra saw the thing we are calling r2.

So the dates look like this:

Ritual One = July 2, 1951 - effect caused spontaneous human combustion

RN Event One = November 12, 2007 attempt to intercept exchange of an item - aborted
Ritual Two = December 11, 2007 - what Sandra saw.

RN Event Two = January 8, 2008 - attempt to disrupt - no action taken
Ritual Three?? = January 8, 2008 - ??

RN Event Three = February 6, 2008 at 7:15pm (not sure if that's UK) attempt to id someone at an initiation - needs backup

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Re: reply from Ethan

petunia wrote:
Is it weird that I'm kind of getting a crush on Ethan? Embarassed Foily! Laughing

Thank god! I thought I was the only one. Laughing

That aside, I really, really don't think he's BE. I also don't think 0702 is in any danger of being shut down if BE's information comes to light. The reason they were threatening to shut 0701 down if it turned out to be dangerous is that the danger would have been coming from some random nutjob with an ax to grind. That kind of thing isn't Whitechapel's responsibility and is better handled by the police. Conversely, BE's information is evidence - not proof, but evidence - of supernatural involvement, which is right up Whitechapel's alley. Dangerous or not, it's the kind of thing they investigate.

I also don't think Ethan is so honor-bound to his employers that he wouldn't be willing to keep certain things from them if he felt like he had to. It would be ridiculous to construct an entire character to cover for your lie when you could just as easily - more easily - lie outright. I know people jump through crazy psychological hoops to justify their actions sometimes, but this seems like the kind of justification a little kid would come up with.

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