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JookNy21
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 		[SPEC] Timeframe of Helicopter scene...
Clearly you can see that when the helicopter takes off, it is still dark outside, and then when it is spinning out of control, it is morning. How long do you think the helicopter was flying until it finally gets hit in the morning? Could it that the time of take off have only been several minutes before dawn, then it gets hit very soon after, or was the scene of take off way before dawn? if that is the case, that would mean it was flying for a good while before it gets hit, since it was light outside.



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 		Two different helicopters.

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 		Re: Timeframe of Helicopter scene...
JookNy21 wrote:
Clearly you can see that when the helicopter takes off, it is still dark outside, and then when it is spinning out of control, it is morning. How long do you think the helicopter was flying until it finally gets hit in the morning? Could it that the time of take off have only been several minutes before dawn, then it gets hit very soon after, or was the scene of take off way before dawn? if that is the case, that would mean it was flying for a good while before it gets hit, since it was light out.


Or.... We could be looking at two totally different scenes. Maybe a little of a stretch, cause im sure once people got on those they werent getting off till theyre totally to safety, but humor me for a minute. What if the darker scenes are earlier in the movie, and for whatever reason they have to set down, for repairs, etc, and then the spin out scene the next morning is at the end. Either that or it could be the angle of the shots, ive noticed around my house in the mornings, if im standing in my front yard at dawn, which faces east, it seems pretty light,. But if i walk around to my back yard , toward the west , at the same time, it seems much darker, So could just be a trick of the light. One of those things well probably have to wait for the movie to discover

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iconsumer wrote:
Two different helicopters.


This seems like the best bet.

If the entire film is being shown from the same camera, then the cameraman was filming the first chopper as it took off, then was in the second one as it was falling.
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 		it would have to be a second helicopter, due to the fact HUD/whoever filmed a helicopter taking off, but somehow he manages to get footage of the ppl inside when something happens. Therefore, there must be another, behind him when he is filming the first helicopter.

this helicopter may not leave for a while after the first for all we know

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 		posted this in another discussion

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just thought of something..........there could be 2 different helichopters.....but the reason the one goes down during dawn (possibly) spinning out of control secondary to a nuclear blast?


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 		It's quite true it'd have to be different helicopters, because you couldn't be filming the one you are in taking off AND be in it.
Another thing to consider is the helicopter shot of the headless SoL. That could be a shot from the ill-fated helicopter, but then it's also in the dark.
Questions, questions.
To help clear things up a little, who is the woman we clearly see in the takeoff of the helicopter? She's not the woman we can see in the one spinning out of control. This might help to differentiate between the times and situations of the shots.
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keeno_82uk wrote:
it would have to be a second helicopter, due to the fact HUD/whoever filmed a helicopter taking off, but somehow he manages to get footage of the ppl inside when something happens. Therefore, there must be another, behind him when he is filming the first helicopter.

this helicopter may not leave for a while after the first for all we know


To play devil's advocate, you're assuming that the *entire* movie is filmed by Hud, of which there is no definitive confirmation yet.

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Nighthawk wrote:
keeno_82uk wrote:
it would have to be a second helicopter, due to the fact HUD/whoever filmed a helicopter taking off, but somehow he manages to get footage of the ppl inside when something happens. Therefore, there must be another, behind him when he is filming the first helicopter.

this helicopter may not leave for a while after the first for all we know


To play devil's advocate, you're assuming that the *entire* movie is filmed by Hud, of which there is no definitive confirmation yet.


Thats what my guess was, that the scene of the helicopter taking off was just a general camera view, not specifically from Hud. Its obviously the same girl in the first picture and 2nd, making it one helicopter.

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Nighthawk wrote:
keeno_82uk wrote:
it would have to be a second helicopter, due to the fact HUD/whoever filmed a helicopter taking off, but somehow he manages to get footage of the ppl inside when something happens. Therefore, there must be another, behind him when he is filming the first helicopter.

this helicopter may not leave for a while after the first for all we know


To play devil's advocate, you're assuming that the *entire* movie is filmed by Hud, of which there is no definitive confirmation yet.

Some would say that TJ Miller's comment in his interview that he is there for the whole movie means he filmed it all, even though the Central Park tunnel scene and Rob's monologue tend to contradict this. Evidence still strongly points to all of it being from Hud's camera though. The trailer's rewind and fast forward sounds tend to imply this too. I don't find this absolutely conclusive, but I think it is far to note that the bulk of the footage in the trailer is obviously from a tape. I think other shots might come into the movie, but probably more as 'bookends'. The trailer's documentary title card suggests that this is not several sources of footage, just that the footage includes several sightings of 'case Cloverfield'.
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Thats what my guess was, that the scene of the helicopter taking off was just a general camera view, not specifically from Hud. Its obviously the same girl in the first picture and 2nd, making it one helicopter.

Uh, I don't think so - unless in the helicopter she managed to change her clothes, hair style, and complexion.
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Euchre wrote:

Some would say that TJ Miller's comment in his interview that he is there for the whole movie means he filmed it all, even though the Central Park tunnel scene and Rob's monologue tend to contradict this. Evidence still strongly points to all of it being from Hud's camera though.


Okay, I'm going to say it again (to point it out, I've said it twice already, in the two threads with the production stills) - there's a production still of the Central Park tunnel scene with Marlena and Rob looking back, and it appears to be of the scene in the trailer when Rob yells Hud's name. In this trailer, Marlena is NOT injured. Later, in the production still in the corridor walking to the hospital, Hud is there, yet Marlena IS injured. Now, unless she got miraculously cured and got some drycleaning in the process, HUD DOES NOT KICK THE BUCKET OR GET SEVERELY INJURED AT ALL IN THE CENTRAL PARK TUNNEL SCENE. Unless, of course, I've misconstrued what you mean. In which case, my bad. It's just nobody's mentioned noticing this, despite constant rantings about Hud dying in the subway.

Back onto the helicopter thing - it's two different ones. Though one must question the judgment of the camera bearer to watch one take off and get nailed, and then hop in another while Biggie's still wandering around the city.

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Bacon Army wrote:
Euchre wrote:

Some would say that TJ Miller's comment in his interview that he is there for the whole movie means he filmed it all, even though the Central Park tunnel scene and Rob's monologue tend to contradict this. Evidence still strongly points to all of it being from Hud's camera though.


Okay, I'm going to say it again (to point it out, I've said it twice already, in the two threads with the production stills) - there's a production still of the Central Park tunnel scene with Marlena and Rob looking back, and it appears to be of the scene in the trailer when Rob yells Hud's name. In this trailer, Marlena is NOT injured. Later, in the production still in the corridor walking to the hospital, Hud is there, yet Marlena IS injured. Now, unless she got miraculously cured and got some drycleaning in the process, HUD DOES NOT KICK THE BUCKET OR GET SEVERELY INJURED AT ALL IN THE CENTRAL PARK TUNNEL SCENE. Unless, of course, I've misconstrued what you mean. In which case, my bad. It's just nobody's mentioned noticing this, despite constant rantings about Hud dying in the subway.

Uh, wrong scene. I am referring to the scene with Rob and Beth huddling together that nooneimportant77 caught on video. It's a scene where Rob is now shown in a still holding a camera pointing to himself. The tunnel in Central Park is really more of a bridge underpass I believe, or at least not one that runs like a subway tunnel. In any case it's not the scene you are referring to.
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Back onto the helicopter thing - it's two different ones. Though one must question the judgment of the camera bearer to watch one take off and get nailed, and then hop in another while Biggie's still wandering around the city.

I don't think they see the helicopter that takes off in the dark being downed. The only helicopter we know of being downed is the one flying in daylight, with the obviously different woman onboard and with the cameraman also on board. From what we have available, I'd guess that first chopper is an even that happens well before that crash.

Isn't that Lily in the chopper taking off? Her hair looks like that in a pic or two, it's more like her complexion, and the dress is right as compared to the teaser.
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 		Is it possible that the woman in the helicopter lifting away from the camera (at night) is Beth? I think it looks more like Lily, but it would make sense if it were Beth, b/c she somehow gets separated from the rest of them early on - b/c Rob asks where she is on his phone. But, she was at the party w/them - so, how did she get separated? Could just be that it was panic and mayhem; but, it could also be that she was taken away in a military chopper - that would explain why it's lifting away from the camera, and why her hands are pressed against the window in the "no, don't take me away from them" gesture. It need not be anything sinister - only room for 1 more person, so on you go Odette, but she didn't want to leave them behind, etc.

The rest try to flee the city on foot - the shot at 00:56 of the Apple trailer of a crowd at the Brooklyn Bridge (or some bridge anyway) seems like an evacuation. Obviously, that doesn't work out. Rob then gets a call from Beth - perhaps her chopper went down in the city, she's hurt, trapped, etc. Rob & Co. head back into the city to rescue Beth. Eventually, after getting Beth back, and just before sunrise, the remaining members of Rob's group get a ride on another copter - thinking they are finally being flown to safety...

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 		There are FOUR helicopters visible just after the bit where Hud falls over in the subway.

Edit: Might be three actually. Two on the ground and one landing.

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