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Dunia
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 		I'm not sure if this has already been said, but the correct spellings are located in a circle around the blackjack board.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:30 pm
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Dunia
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 		I saw that Drizjr already noticed the spelling.

I also noticed that the glyphs are in 4 sets of 5 glyphs. This matches the 4 sections of the blackjack table. The 4 sections may be mixed up. Each section will be in these sequences.

Section White: Muluc Oc Chuen Eb Been
Section Red: Kan Chicchan Cimi Manyk Lamat
Section Yellow: Cauac Ahau Ymix Yk Akbal
Section Black: Hijx Meen Cyb Caban Etnab

The only spelling I am unsure about is Etnab/Etznab.

The numbers translate as follows.
Section White: 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
Section Red: 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Section Yellow: 19, 20, 1, 2, 3
Section Black: 14, 15, 16, 17, 18

Section White: Xaman
Section Red: Lakin
Section Yellow: Nohol
Section Black: Chikin

Section White: North
Section Red: East
Section Yellow: South
Section Black: West

Section White: 4
Section Red: 3
Section Yellow: 3
Section Black: 3
=13

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:17 pm
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Dunia
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Dunia wrote:
The 4 sections may be mixed up.


I think I'm wrong about that. I think it does follow the Ymix-Ahau pattern.
The starting point though does change and I think that is significant. T

Here are some good items to help with understanding the calendar.
http://members.shaw.ca/mjfinley/tzolkin.html#Tzolk%27in
http://www.pauahtun.org/Calendar/tools.html
http://www.pauahtun.org/Calendar/tzolkin.html

he notation I've seen in most of the calendar descriptions is a number followed by the day. ie 1 Ymix, 2 Yk, 13 Been, etc. I tried filling in all of the calendar locations that way, using the first glyph as day 1. Example (started on Cyb): 1 Cyb, 2 Caban, 3 Etnab, 4 Cauac,

I've got the basics of the calendar figured out, but I'm stuck on two points.
I'm making the assumption that we have to "Follow the Hozhq" and fill in the "good/lucky" glyphs. I'm also assuming that we are using divination to figure out which glyphs are "good/lucky" based on the arrangement of seeds/stones.

We are using "Divination" so I would think we need to know what each pile of 4 seeds/stones means (basically good or bad sign). The second is that the articles I've read say that we need to know the "Day" and "Number of the day" to determine if that date is lucky or not.

That's where I'm stuck.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:31 am
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ogr8bearded1
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 		I can get to a page that says "Your divination is being processed" but when I click on the button below this I get a 404 error and have to toss the rice again. The 'processed' page only comes up when I enter numbers below the mayan symbols. Possibly they are looking for the website address to be entered here. Some other things I have tried were using the Heraclitus quote converted into numbers (A=01, B=02...) with one word beneath each symbol, this also got me to the 'processed' page but once more a 404 error. Possibly the symbol tells us which word to begin with? (I had been trying this with the Heraclitus quote before I noticed you only got to the processed page with numbers only.)

Hope this info helps, I'm at a loss still at moment over what exactly they want here but am sure it is in the form of numbers.

edit-in talking to drizjr it appears that I may be alone in having this happen. Drizjr says they get the proccessed page using letters.

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 		To each and every, have a very, very merry!!! Laughing Laughing

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Dunia
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 		This website links Caban with Red Earth.

http://www.mayantimes.com/Mayan%20%20calendar.htm

I'm not sure if it means anything.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:42 pm
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drizjr
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 		[UPDATE] letters appearing on the mayan divination page
http://sacredhatcasino.com/html/followthehozhq/followthehozhq.swf

After five tosses, and a "successful" divination; the page that has the glyphs, now has letters to either side of the page. Attached is a screen shot. This one started with Cauac.
eta: credit to the crew at jeritopia for finding this! Yay, AKansas!
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ThatPoshGirl
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 		Interesting. It's kind of frustrating that even after changing the game they haven't fixed the undefined page thing.

eta. I don't know if this means anything or not but after you have a successful throw and move to the page with the glyphs, if you click the back button and throw again the letters stay the same but the order of the glyphs changes. If you reload the page, however, the order of the letters changes.

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 		Re: [UPDATE] letters appearing on the mayan divination page
drizjr wrote:
http://sacredhatcasino.com/html/followthehozhq/followthehozhq.swf

After five tosses, and a "successful" divination; the page that has the glyphs, now has letters to either side of the page. Attached is a screen shot. This one started with Cauac.
eta: credit to the crew at jeritopia for finding this! Yay, AKansas!


Based off of that image- the images in the middle of the screen- could those be numbers? The round pieces could be dots and the square bars- I don't think it is, but just an idea to chew on.
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Dunia
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 		Re: [UPDATE] letters appearing on the mayan divination page
tygr20 wrote:
drizjr wrote:
http://sacredhatcasino.com/html/followthehozhq/followthehozhq.swf

After five tosses, and a "successful" divination; the page that has the glyphs, now has letters to either side of the page. Attached is a screen shot. This one started with Cauac.
eta: credit to the crew at jeritopia for finding this! Yay, AKansas!


Based off of that image- the images in the middle of the screen- could those be numbers? The round pieces could be dots and the square bars- I don't think it is, but just an idea to chew on.


It might be. What I've been reading about Mayan divination is that the diviners would use handfuls of seeds (ovals?) and crystals (squares?). They arrange them in piles of 4 items, and in rows of 4 piles.

The best I've been able to figure is that 2 crystals usually means a bad outcome or a negative answer (Hochq?). I don't know yet how the arrangement of the seeds matters. The source was from a google book search on maya divination seeds and crystals, but there were many sections of that book missing.

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drizjr
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 		These might be the glyph names to use
word search in a foreign, obsolete language
There are several variations of the ordering of the letters on the glyph page, as ThatPoshGirl pointed out. Noticing that the variations seem to be vertical shifting of the letter patterns, I only went looking for words vertically. The set that I've been working with starts with the letters I Z T Z A Y B D on the top left.
When I spied AKABAL, I recalled that it's one of the many versions of glyphs names... and went on a search.

Quiché (not the delicious French egg dish), or K'iche' is an indigenous language of the Mayan culture

The 20 Quiche names, in order, are: Imox, Ik', Ak'abal, C'at, Can, Came, Quej, K'anil, Toj, Tz'i', Batz', E, Aj, Ix, Tz'iquin, Ajmac, No'j, Tijax, Cawuk, and Junajpu .
Btw, there are only two web search hits, that I found, for this version: http://tinyurl.com/2a8fo8


Attached is the word search. (I realize that the quality of the jpg is poor. I inverted the color to try to clear it up .)
Here's what has been found in each column, starting from the left.
1 quej
2 can cat came tzi kan
3
4 kanil
5 came oc
6 ik ik cat cat
7 men imox quej tzi
8 akabal cabal

9 caban ix tijax
10 kan cawuk noj tzi
11 ajaw aj mundo (mundo/ world, is the center word on the card table )
12 eb ajmac
13 late caban
14 away war
15 tzi tziquin batz tzi
16 batz tzi junajpu

There are many E's = Eb.
There are a few English words LATE AWAY WAR CABAL

There might be more to find.

More importantly, the whole set of glyphs' names that appear on
here are in the word search. That would make you think it's the set to use, right?

Bang Head

I've tried entering this Quiché version as it appears on that porcelain page; for all of the glyphs... all in caps, with and without the apostrophes and got the 404/ undefined page both times.

Bang Head

I haven't tried just naming the glyphs that have only oval groupings if we are to follow the hozhq. If anyone wants to give that a try.
Maybe it's case sensitive.

Bang Head

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 		"Tab Pattern" of glyphs
Hey all, I'm totally new to all of this but have been following for the last couple of days to try to catch up - love a good puzzle! Didn't know this sort of thing even existed.

In regard to the posts by Xwarp & Booba; from what I can tell of the "tab pattern" is that it is:

a) the order in which data (passwords) needs to be entered, or
b) the sentence structure - the reason the cursor, or nothing happens at certain "tabs", disappears, or
c) the word structure based on the glyphs

For example, are there specific letters assigned to each glyph? If so, as we tab through the screen of glyphs each would signify a letter and the order (when tabbed from glyph to text box) would indicate the "word breaks" (or sentence structure).

I also noted from what drizjr posted (all the graphics - thank you) that the pattern of glyphs shifts numerically each time you "refresh" into the page anew. The text and "seeds & crystals" change though the glypsh do follow order.

At any rate, those are just some thoughts. I'm off to try to find the Blackjack table again to see if I can find any tie in with the clues Dunia provided.

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 		 [UPDATE] Color change on "throwing" page
The "rice", "crystals" are changing to red momentarily on the throwing page. I don't see any pattern as yet.

After a successful throw, the glyph page with the "word search" letters comes up as before.


Embarassed *EDIT: (AKansan also discovered this last night)

In addition, nightbird47 has posted this change on the CBS board and has expanded on the subject much more...........

http://jerichoboard.cbs.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=CBSMBJericho&tid=19681

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GenPatton43
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 		The BUL War Game
Hey Folks,

I've spent the morning just trying to get caught up on the SHC portion of the ARG, specificully, the glymphs and such. I did some research and I cam e across a link to a Mayan Devination Game. I looked through here and did not see any mention of it but if I missed it, my apologies. Its similar to the "stones" game on SHC. Its playing board looks just like the page we have with the 20 glymphs on it. It uses "corn" instead of "rice" or "Stones" to throw. Heres the link for the game, you can download it to play on your machine, its actually kinda cool, though do follow the directions for downloading it closely.

http://www.xmission.com/~psneeley/Shareware/Bul.htm

Its a Mayan strategy game that comes in 2 versions, "Conquest" and "Ritualistic Warfare"
So far I have only played the "Conquest" but the mechanics are somewhat similar to that of SHC.

So, just curious to know if this may help us any. If you have any questions let me know!

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ThatPoshGirl
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 		What is mssng?
I spent quite a while tossing the rice and crystals yesterday trying to find a pattern. I noticed that when you toss them two pieces always go off of the board and you are left with one of two patterns: two rice and two crystals or three rice and one crystal. I was trying to figure out if there was a pattern when the divinition was successful, but could find one. Then I remember that we are supposed to be looking for what is mssng. What is missing is the four rice pattern. I'm not sure if that means anything, but I thought I'd mention it.

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