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[McPhearson]

For some reason, I have always leaned towards #1. It's always been my theory that the Chuai station, while searching for sea nectar, accidentally awakens the JJsaurus, and ticks the big guy off.

But now, with this news of physic specialists and satellites, makes me think that this creature is man-made or mutated from man-made creatures.

In other words, I don't know.

[Melampus]

The crab and octopus imagery on Slusho! and the Tag hack might be hinting at something that walks as much as, if not more than, it swims. If it walked on the ocean floor, it could have knees... maybe? But, the point about the depth is also a damn good one. Something that size, living at that depth, would have to die if it came up to the surface - I'd guess that the pressure change would do it in. Also, if it walked on the ocean-floor, it couldn't breath air like a whale or dolphin b/c it wouldn't ever surface. So, no lungs. No roaring. I suppose it could have some strange sinus system that evolved purely for the purpose of making noises, but then, to communicate with what?

And, that's another problem with a naturally occurring monster: there would have to be others of its kind. Then again, if we can accept that one could stay hidden all this time, then why not more than one? There's a lot of ocean out there. I dunno - maybe this is where we run into a wall trying to make a monster movie "realistic." Gotta suspend disbelief at some point, eh?

[TBILL]

I vote for naturally occuring but previously undiscovered....for what its worth

[Euchre]

As to the ideas of biomechanics and the creature being a walker from the deep ocean, smartmart and I had a debate about those possibilities here:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21390&start=45
Basically something native to those depths is less likely to be a biped, and still not too likely to be a quadruped. If it is either of those, it's likely it isn't native to those depths but ended up there.

Something to note about the way the creature moves and attacks - it could be primarily a quadruped but rise to it's haunches to attack with it's forelimbs at times. Bears, the big cats, and other creatures do this. Gorillas actually spend more time moving as quadrupeds than bipeds, even though they do both.

[TBILL]

[Arctic_ARG_player]

Cthulhu mythos

[Euchre]

[AeroMechanic07]

what if we never get to see grumpypants ill seriously cry. anyone else?

[m_talon]

I have the feeling the origin will be fleshed out via the ARG, but not in the movie. If they want to keep the feel of average Joes caught in a horrible disaster, it won't work to have a long exposition scene where a military scientist guy explains everything. Why would he be talking to a bunch of nobodies from a party, anyway?

Part of the "feel" could be that Rob and co. never do figure out what the monster is or why it's attacking New York. It would be more about how they respond to the situation. JJ has stated he never really wanted to do a whole lot of backstory with LOST, as it was supposed to be about the characters dealing with their circumstances. The backstory has come because the fans wanted it.

With this, he could very well go the route of never explaining the how and why in the movie. It would keep the movie more personal. The backstory information would be left for us to discover during the ARG.

[Melampus]

^^^^^^^^^^
Couldn't agree w/ya more. Since the day I saw the trailer, and realized they might make an entire monster movie in a realistic hand-held approach, I've believed that they wouldn't give any backstory in the movie. Like you said, why would anyone tell Rob & Co. anything? Besides, what would there be to tell? Nobody will know anything, except that "whatever it is, it's winning."

That's also why I've always thought that the ARG phase of this, where we learn whatever backstory they've dreamed up, wouldn't really start until after the movie had been released, after Jan. 18. So far, it seems like it's going that way, since they seem to be leaving the door open for a complicated story involving Noriko, Ganu, Slusho, Tagruato, TIDO, Teddy, etc. It's also a possibility that Jamie isn't going to be in the movie at all; she's purely an online character. The only thing we've seen so far that puts her in the movie is that pic from 1-18-08.com with Jamie, Hud, and Rob. But, that pic. wasn't necessarily taken that night, at that party.

Anyway, here's hoping for a real ARG, a Cloverfield Experience, after the movie comes out. [that way, we can go see it again and again, to find more clues ].

[Clover]

[Melampus]

I'm really going to display my ignorance of physics here, but...

The problems seem to be: living in water, walking on land (and being ginormous); and, living in deep ocean pressure and coming to the surface. here's my question for the (bio)physicists: could the fact that the thing is so unbelievable huge allow it to live under deep ocean pressure, but still come up to the surface? I mean, for something as big as a skyscraper, would the pressure down in the deep be comparable to surface gravity? [Euchre, help me out here - bring the knowledge!]

I have no basis for this speculation.

"call it... a hunch. Ba-dum chi!"
- Igor (Eye-gore), Young Frankenstein

[pegassissy]

And also, how could something that obviously has not ascended to the surface in 1000s of years(assuming its ancient, huge, and not man made) Suddenly asscend to the surface, rise so easily out of the water, and begin to travel on the land. I know the following example is a God awful one, but i dont know what else there is.

David Blane(I think) was the guy who stayed in that tank of water for a week last year, right? The doctors(though i am sure thye were exagerating, it was just an act after all) were not sure if he would be able to walk again. If Mr. Grumpypants was at the bottem of the ocean for 1000s of years, under enormus amounts of pressure, could he just asscend and begin walking on land, even if he had the means to do so?

EDIT: After rereading Melampus's post, i realized its basically the same thing, so yeah, sorry.

[Clover]

See, this is why I personally hope it's Cthulhu or one of his friends. Because the science part of me would be shut up by the "oh, it's magic, that's how it could survived so long down there then suddenly pop up, bla bla bla." XD

[Hurley]

A creature with an exo-skeleton may have an easier time adjusting from oceanic depths to land. Not sure how the change in pressure would affect it, though. Some divers have ascended faster than safely allowable, and experienced everything from the bends, to actually expanding in their own skin from the oxygen expanding in their blood stream. Which kind of brings up a good point. If something normally adjusted to deep-sea depths had been forced from its natural habitat, and it could only move inland and to more shallow depths, would that creature be prone to the dementia that some men have experienced from fast-rising? Would it drive the creature mad?