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[SPEC]Tidowave.com is it OOG or is it IG
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tomathan
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 		[SPEC]Tidowave.com is it OOG or is it IG
Discuss it in here stop ranting about in the other thread.
Ok, I just checked the tidowave thread again and people Are still arguing about its OOG or IG status. So how about we have that thread be Where People discuss it as if its IG and this thread be where people come spew the same thing over and over again. I'll start.

The site was registered before the tagruato hack. I haven't registered a site with godaddy before but if it lets you choose your own registration date regardless of when you registered someone let me know and I will drop this argument.

The sites comment are being moderated, trust me, i submitted some pretty ridiculous comments that werent posted. Maybe If this is OOG these people get their jollies from filtering comments.

The website doesn't look like slusho or tagruato because In Game it is not designed by the same corporation, it is designed by seaweed hugging hippies.

The glass helmet page mentioned tidowave, they might be oog, but if they aren't then an IG site has linked tidowave to the game, this is the weakest of my arguments, i think.

And Finally, if this was a gamejack and proven to be so, This forum would be pretty empty the last couple days or people hitting refresh hoping for some bone to be thrown at us, so at least we have something to do. If you think that if it weren't for that site sprouting up you would be doing something else then you should probably be doing that anyway.

So let the people in the other thread be.

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 		Two things bother me about the site:

- They're using "Domains by Proxy", masking their WHOIS information, which is contrary to everything else done up to now.

- I'll probably regret mentioning this... "tidowave.org" and "tidowave.net" are still available for purchase. If Paramount was behind this and this entity is important for plot development, they would have most definitely secured at least the "org" domain (which is the most appropriate for this organization).

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gypsy songman
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 		I think it hinges on the status of the Glass Helmets' myspace. If you believe it's IG, this is confirmed; if you believe it's a 'jack, it's not. My money says that the GH myspace and TIDOwave are in game (sorry, but it'd be a challenge to put together that song from the brief clip in the J&T video), but I don't begrudge others their skepticism. Smile

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tomathan
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- They're using "Domains by Proxy", masking their WHOIS information, which is contrary to everything else done up to now.


Although I see where your going with your second point my only argument for your first and its pure speculation, is that like some have said, in game, tidowave might be responsible for some activities they dont want traced back to them and it would make sense to do it that way, otherwise you make a valid point that it is odd they would stray from their usual methods.

edit: I don't think they registered the .org for tagruato or slusho. and It would not make sense for them to register the .jp site for tidowave since it appears they are a french organization

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Nighthawk wrote:
Two things bother me about the site:

- They're using "Domains by Proxy", masking their WHOIS information, which is contrary to everything else done up to now.

- I'll probably regret mentioning this... "tidowave.org" and "tidowave.net" are still available for purchase. If Paramount was behind this and this entity is important for plot development, they would have most definitely secured at least the "org" domain (which is the most appropriate for this organization).


For an organization which threathens people and are able of punishable-by-law acts, it is safer if people cant find your info. Its that simple.

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For an organization which threathens people and are able of punishable-by-law acts, it is safer if people cant find your info. Its that simple.


I don't buy that explanation... This isn't reality, remember? One of the largest corporations in Japan wouldn't have a website with 90% dead links either.

But the WHOIS info can be entered bogus anyway... Did Henry Kelvin create the 1/18 site? Did a 19th century Freemason create "sectorseven.org" for the Transformers ARG?

At this point, putting in bogus information is probably better than no information at all because right now, through the use of Domains by Proxy, there's some doubt as to the creation date and the legitimacy of the site. Unless I can see the *actual* registration information, date especially, I can't be sure; I'm not 100% sure how Domains by Proxy works (I have a GoDaddy account, but have to pay for that service, which I'm not about to do).

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Cyclotron
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 		You can't compare those sites. Remember that the 1-18-08 website isnt exactly within the game, or within the game reality...they're closer to the PMs than the characters themselves...

hope you can catch my drift....

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 		Here are my reasons for saying it's IG!
- - - - - - -- - - - - -- - - - - -
1:

Here is the only important WHOIS information to me:

Domain Name: TIDOWAVE.COM
Created on: 13-Nov-07
Expires on: 13-Nov-09
Last Updated on: 13-Nov-07

Site was "hacked" on November 24th - after the registration on the 13th
- - - - - - -- - - - - -- - - - - -
2:
Someone else (aht) posted this image:


Their quote "Mhm, yup, I do see the corner cut off of the rig from the Tagruato site!"
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3:
Google has a cache of www.tidowave.com from NOVEMBER 23rd! The day BEFORE the hack, so if the hack is IG, the site is IG.

Here is my logic for tidowave.com being IG (as long as the timeline I saw was correct):
- 1st Tagruato hack came on Thanksgiving weekend (meaning 11/23-25/07).
- Noone found a meaning in the photo placed there takign them anywhere.
- Site was "re-hacked" (cause we missed something?)
- tidowave.com discovered 12/2/07 by a dedicated follower (or even possibly thrown out by game managers, but original poster here looks legit)

I did a Google.com search on "tidowave.com" Google has a cache of the site from 11/23/07 - the day OF or BEFORE the hack.

Hopefully the link & info below posts well to the forum, if not go to google & DIY to confirm (before they update their cache with a new crawl from all the new hype!!!):

This is G o o g l e's cache of http://tidowave.com/ as retrieved on Nov 23, 2007 01:17:22 GMT.

click!

The reason for using a registration "mask" instead of putting in bogus information is so that people stop looking to the registration info for clues. We had a hard enough time finding the site itself; they hacked it twice with the photo puzzle and it still took us over a week to find the site!

The game is probably over in a little over a month (release of movie) and probably some things need sped up to get it all over & tied up before that date. If we're all looking at the registration info we're looking in the wrong place.

Edit - embedded stretchy link - MikeyJ

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Patrick Star
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Nighthawk wrote:
Two things bother me about the site:

- They're using "Domains by Proxy", masking their WHOIS information, which is contrary to everything else done up to now.

- I'll probably regret mentioning this... "tidowave.org" and "tidowave.net" are still available for purchase. If Paramount was behind this and this entity is important for plot development, they would have most definitely secured at least the "org" domain (which is the most appropriate for this organization).


Not anymore. I bought the rest and locked the domains.

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CloverfieldClues.com
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 		TIDOWAVE.COM IS IN-GAME

Glass Helmets is GAMEJACK!

Nighthawk wrote:
Two things bother me about the site:
- They're using "Domains by Proxy", masking their WHOIS information, which is contrary to everything else done up to now.


The website was still registed through GoDaddy (see below). It may just be a privacy service that GoDaddy offers.

I agree, It fits with the profile of an Eco-terrorist organization that doesn't want to be easily found.

Nighthawk wrote:
- I'll probably regret mentioning this... "tidowave.org" and "tidowave.net" are still available for purchase. If Paramount was behind this and this entity is important for plot development, they would have most definitely secured at least the "org" domain (which is the most appropriate for this organization).


It appears they are not as concerned with Gamejacks as we are.

gypsy songman wrote:
I think it hinges on the status of the Glass Helmets' myspace. If you believe it's IG, this is confirmed; if you believe it's a 'jack, it's not. My money says that the GH myspace and TIDOwave are in game (sorry, but it'd be a challenge to put together that song from the brief clip in the J&T video), but I don't begrudge others their skepticism. Smile


LOL. Glass Helmets' myspace is OOG. Of course they are going to point themselves to TidoWave, becasue they are GameJacking. Now if TidoWave pointed to Glass Helmets, then I would believe it.

Nighthawk wrote:
But the WHOIS info can be entered bogus anyway... Did Henry Kelvin create the 1/18 site?


The information of WHO registered the site can be faked, but WHEN the site was registered CAN NOT be faked.

Quote:
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: TIDOWAVE.COM
Created on: 13-Nov-07
Expires on: 13-Nov-09
Last Updated on: 13-Nov-07


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Patrick Star wrote:
Nighthawk wrote:
Two things bother me about the site:

- They're using "Domains by Proxy", masking their WHOIS information, which is contrary to everything else done up to now.

- I'll probably regret mentioning this... "tidowave.org" and "tidowave.net" are still available for purchase. If Paramount was behind this and this entity is important for plot development, they would have most definitely secured at least the "org" domain (which is the most appropriate for this organization).


Not anymore. I bought the rest and locked the domains.


LOL! You should forward those domains to this thread. It will cause someones head to explode! OMG WTF unFiction is IG!!!

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Nighthawk wrote:
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For an organization which threathens people and are able of punishable-by-law acts, it is safer if people cant find your info. Its that simple.


I don't buy that explanation... This isn't reality, remember? One of the largest corporations in Japan wouldn't have a website with 90% dead links either.

But the WHOIS info can be entered bogus anyway... Did Henry Kelvin create the 1/18 site? Did a 19th century Freemason create "sectorseven.org" for the Transformers ARG?

At this point, putting in bogus information is probably better than no information at all because right now, through the use of Domains by Proxy, there's some doubt as to the creation date and the legitimacy of the site. Unless I can see the *actual* registration information, date especially, I can't be sure; I'm not 100% sure how Domains by Proxy works (I have a GoDaddy account, but have to pay for that service, which I'm not about to do).


Regardless of all of the "masked" contact info shown by Domains By Proxy, the registration & expiration date cannot be hidden in a WHOIS search. This is the Official ICANN ownership purchase & expiration date of the domain. They allow contact info to be masked because of people spamming the database, but this info has to be real in order for website domain sellers to be able to determine if a domain is available or not to sell it you.

In regards to another's post on them not registering the .org or .net of the same name, there are probably over 100 extensions available besides ".com" but it makes no sense to register them all (as that all costs money); only the official site is necessary, especially in an ARE/ARG like this.

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 		First of all, guys, don't get me wrong... I *do* believe that TIDOWave is IG and that Glass Helmets is OOG.

I *have* to play devil's advocate here, primarily because of past experiences and time wasted looking at gamejack sites by myself and several others. We've seen a lot of easily swayed people here, and if nobody gives this the level of scrutiny I'm giving it everything would be accepted at face value. Look at the result of my doubt: this thread alone corrobarates it's IG-ness.

As for the Domains by Proxy... I personally don't know how it works. I've never done it, so I don't know what date it pulls. I have a GoDaddy account, but I am not going to pay to mask it; if I were to, today, make the WHOIS proxied, does that show the date I made that change, the date the website was originally created or the date the ACCOUNT was created on GoDaddy? I understand and agree with your explanation, but I don't know first hand since I myself have never done it before.

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In regards to another's post on them not registering the .org or .net of the same name, there are probably over 100 extensions available besides ".com" but it makes no sense to register them all (as that all costs money); only the official site is necessary, especially in an ARE/ARG like this.


I could have bought each domain for $10 a piece (I have stated several times I am not going to spend any money on this "game" beyond buying a movie ticket and time spent not working). You're telling me Paramount Pictures couldn't afford that to protect their own interests? They could have at least gotten the "org", which is what the site's supposed to have in the first place.

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Not anymore. I bought the rest and locked the domains.


Thank you. I would have if I could, but currently I can't do that.

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CloverfieldClues.com wrote:
gypsy songman wrote:
I think it hinges on the status of the Glass Helmets' myspace. If you believe it's IG, this is confirmed; if you believe it's a 'jack, it's not. My money says that the GH myspace and TIDOwave are in game (sorry, but it'd be a challenge to put together that song from the brief clip in the J&T video), but I don't begrudge others their skepticism. Smile


LOL. Glass Helmets' myspace is OOG. Of course they are going to point themselves to TidoWave, becasue they are GameJacking. Now if TidoWave pointed to Glass Helmets, then I would believe it.


Meh, I'm on the fence about the Glass Helmets specifically because of the tidowave name drop. I'm still leaning towards IG because it'd be bloody difficult to fake the striptease track in a short period of time; but as I said, I don't begrudge anyone their skepticism, even if they find my belief laughable. Smile Do we have a creation date for the myspace page?

I suppose we'll know about the Glass Helmets one way or the other soon... if they are IG and were due to play some TIDO benefit, I'm sure the people running their blog would see fit to mention it.

Edit: chasing perfection.

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Nighthawk wrote:
First of all, guys, don't get me wrong... I *do* believe that TIDOWave is IG and that Glass Helmets is OOG.

I *have* to play devil's advocate here, primarily because of past experiences and time wasted looking at gamejack sites by myself and several others. We've seen a lot of easily swayed people here, and if nobody gives this the level of scrutiny I'm giving it everything would be accepted at face value. Look at the result of my doubt: this thread alone corrobarates it's IG-ness.

As for the Domains by Proxy... I personally don't know how it works. I've never done it, so I don't know what date it pulls. I have a GoDaddy account, but I am not going to pay to mask it; if I were to, today, make the WHOIS proxied, does that show the date I made that change, the date the website was originally created or the date the ACCOUNT was created on GoDaddy? I understand and agree with your explanation, but I don't know first hand since I myself have never done it before.

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In regards to another's post on them not registering the .org or .net of the same name, there are probably over 100 extensions available besides ".com" but it makes no sense to register them all (as that all costs money); only the official site is necessary, especially in an ARE/ARG like this.


I could have bought each domain for $10 a piece (I have stated several times I am not going to spend any money on this "game" beyond buying a movie ticket and time spent not working). You're telling me Paramount Pictures couldn't afford that to protect their own interests? They could have at least gotten the "org", which is what the site's supposed to have in the first place.

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Not anymore. I bought the rest and locked the domains.


Thank you. I would have if I could, but currently I can't do that.


When you register with GoDaddy and buy a domain the transaction date is what goes on the creation date for the domain. The proxy does nothing but enter "proxy" information in certain fields. It would take a court order to find out who registered. I just used that service to buy the tidowave domains. I will see what it looks like on my end when I get a confirmation.

On that note, why register a domain name a few days before the launch date. All of this would have been in the story arc from the ARG PM's. They just don't go, hey I got an idea, let's do this instead. The story for a Viral/ARG is pretty much set in stone like a packaged product. I m sure there are cases where there is a major course correction but rarely.

It is my bet that someone saw The Effect, said "I can do that better" and did it.

I would think that the PM's would have peppered that site with their own posts and then moderated in the rest. But there are some juvenile comments up there.

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