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[SPEC]Tidowave.com is it OOG or is it IG
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InAFieldofClover
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Caerwiden wrote:
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Question: Has the site led anywhere or provided any information we didn't already know? I really don't think it has, the stuff they wrote on the site could have been inferred from what we already knew. A little creativity and bang, you have a site.

EDIT: Can whois info be faked? I assume it could be, but I don't really know.


I don't think it can, if the Whois info could be faked then why haven't other gamejackers faked their Whois info? Why just this one?

If this site is fake, then so is the hack. Somebody posted on this forum that hacking a GoDaddy registered site is a really difficult thing to do.

If someone is going to risk breaking the law to jack an ARG then I would think that they would think that they have something to gain from it. What would the jackers behind TIDOWave have to gain from such a risky act?


I do web design as a side job and, for a fee, I register the sites for clients. It is very easy to enter fake contact info when you sign up. The only thing required to be authentic is the name, address and phone number your credit card is listed to and that info, of course, stays confidential unless you break a law. For instance, I registered a site for someone once who didn't want his contact info listed so I entered "1313 Mockingbird Lane" and he never had any problems.

As for why the jackers haven't thought to take advantage of this? Well... there hasn't really been a good or somewhat well thought out gamejack website, has there?

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Caerwiden wrote:
Ivo wrote:
Question: Has the site led anywhere or provided any information we didn't already know? I really don't think it has, the stuff they wrote on the site could have been inferred from what we already knew. A little creativity and bang, you have a site.

EDIT: Can whois info be faked? I assume it could be, but I don't really know.


I don't think it can, if the Whois info could be faked then why haven't other gamejackers faked their Whois info? Why just this one?

If this site is fake, then so is the hack. Somebody posted on this forum that hacking a GoDaddy registered site is a really difficult thing to do.

If someone is going to risk breaking the law to jack an ARG then I would think that they would think that they have something to gain from it. What would the jackers behind TIDOWave have to gain from such a risky act?


What would any gamejacker have to gain? Attention, maybe profit for some. Perhaps these jackers are just a bit more sophisticated than most. I still don't buy its in game, too many OOG comments. Doesn't reveal anything and hasn't contributed anything really, maybe it is real, not that it really matters anyway, the movie should still be okay regardless.

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If people still don't belive Tidowave is real, then the gamejackers have well and truly won. Shocked


I'm with this guy. I'm on the fence about The Glass Helmets, but TIDOWave, in my opinion, is definitely IG.


Ok. My two reasons for thinking TIDOWave might be OOG are as follows.

1: The site was not backdated to make it appear as though it has existed for years. This is a ploy used in every single other IG site we have found.

2: The site has become dead over the last several days, without so much as a confirmed message. All of the entries are put up within a few days of each other to make it seem as though the entries are regular. Yet we have had nothing new for quite some time.


Both are reasonable. However, this site, more than any others, seems to be more urgent. That is, the whole message, hack, etc. appear to be very urgent. The site being registered recently, and thrown up mere days after it was registered reflects the urgency. Unlike Slusho, Tagruato and 1-18-08.com, this site appears to focus heavily on real time occurances.

Just like JamieAndTeddy.com. One day, Marlena comments about Jamie's 'videos', then a few days later the site appears, having been registered only a few days earlier. Not years or even months before like Slusho, Tagruato and 1-18-08.

And yes, it has become dead, but how long did we have to wait for a Tagruato.jp update?

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InAFieldofClover wrote:
shivs wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
Slusho Addict wrote:
If people still don't belive Tidowave is real, then the gamejackers have well and truly won. Shocked


I'm with this guy. I'm on the fence about The Glass Helmets, but TIDOWave, in my opinion, is definitely IG.


Ok. My two reasons for thinking TIDOWave might be OOG are as follows.

1: The site was not backdated to make it appear as though it has existed for years. This is a ploy used in every single other IG site we have found.

2: The site has become dead over the last several days, without so much as a confirmed message. All of the entries are put up within a few days of each other to make it seem as though the entries are regular. Yet we have had nothing new for quite some time.


Both are reasonable. However, this site, more than any others, seems to be more urgent. That is, the whole message, hack, etc. appear to be very urgent. The site being registered recently, and thrown up mere days after it was registered reflects the urgency. Unlike Slusho, Tagruato and 1-18-08.com, this site appears to focus heavily on real time occurances.

Just like JamieAndTeddy.com. One day, Marlena comments about Jamie's 'videos', then a few days later the site appears, having been registered only a few days earlier. Not years or even months before like Slusho, Tagruato and 1-18-08.

And yes, it has become dead, but how long did we have to wait for a Tagruato.jp update?


The urgency that the site shows is the exact reason I would expect it to be updated more often then the other sites. Tagruato.jp is a company website, so it rarely needs to be updated. TIDOWave is a site run by fanatic environmentalists, so I would think they would update more often.

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shivs wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
shivs wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
Slusho Addict wrote:
If people still don't belive Tidowave is real, then the gamejackers have well and truly won. Shocked


I'm with this guy. I'm on the fence about The Glass Helmets, but TIDOWave, in my opinion, is definitely IG.


Ok. My two reasons for thinking TIDOWave might be OOG are as follows.

1: The site was not backdated to make it appear as though it has existed for years. This is a ploy used in every single other IG site we have found.

2: The site has become dead over the last several days, without so much as a confirmed message. All of the entries are put up within a few days of each other to make it seem as though the entries are regular. Yet we have had nothing new for quite some time.


Both are reasonable. However, this site, more than any others, seems to be more urgent. That is, the whole message, hack, etc. appear to be very urgent. The site being registered recently, and thrown up mere days after it was registered reflects the urgency. Unlike Slusho, Tagruato and 1-18-08.com, this site appears to focus heavily on real time occurances.

Just like JamieAndTeddy.com. One day, Marlena comments about Jamie's 'videos', then a few days later the site appears, having been registered only a few days earlier. Not years or even months before like Slusho, Tagruato and 1-18-08.

And yes, it has become dead, but how long did we have to wait for a Tagruato.jp update?


The urgency that the site shows is the exact reason I would expect it to be updated more often then the other sites. Tagruato.jp is a company website, so it rarely needs to be updated. TIDOWave is a site run by fanatic environmentalists, so I would think they would update more often.


You bring up a good point. However, Godaddy sites are extremely hard to hack. (which is my #1 reason for referring clients to their service) If this is a gamejack, and someone did indeed hack Tagruato.jp for real, then they could be the best gamejack in the history of gamejacks.

Time will tell, I guess. Unless the site is somehow connected to Jamie's "gift". There's speculation that Teddy is affiliated with tidowave, so that is a possibility if this is indeed IG.

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 		Agreed, until I can find a logical way they could have edited the time on their registration or to have hacked Tagruato I guess I will have to assume IG.

Really I am just killing time until she opens that dam box!

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InAFieldofClover wrote:
Caerwiden wrote:
Ivo wrote:
Question: Has the site led anywhere or provided any information we didn't already know? I really don't think it has, the stuff they wrote on the site could have been inferred from what we already knew. A little creativity and bang, you have a site.

EDIT: Can whois info be faked? I assume it could be, but I don't really know.


I don't think it can, if the Whois info could be faked then why haven't other gamejackers faked their Whois info? Why just this one?

If this site is fake, then so is the hack. Somebody posted on this forum that hacking a GoDaddy registered site is a really difficult thing to do.

If someone is going to risk breaking the law to jack an ARG then I would think that they would think that they have something to gain from it. What would the jackers behind TIDOWave have to gain from such a risky act?


I do web design as a side job and, for a fee, I register the sites for clients. It is very easy to enter fake contact info when you sign up. The only thing required to be authentic is the name, address and phone number your credit card is listed to and that info, of course, stays confidential unless you break a law. For instance, I registered a site for someone once who didn't want his contact info listed so I entered "1313 Mockingbird Lane" and he never had any problems.

As for why the jackers haven't thought to take advantage of this? Well... there hasn't really been a good or somewhat well thought out gamejack website, has there?


What about the date though? Can you get them to backdate it?

Because that's the important bit.

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Caerwiden wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
Caerwiden wrote:
Ivo wrote:
Question: Has the site led anywhere or provided any information we didn't already know? I really don't think it has, the stuff they wrote on the site could have been inferred from what we already knew. A little creativity and bang, you have a site.

EDIT: Can whois info be faked? I assume it could be, but I don't really know.


I don't think it can, if the Whois info could be faked then why haven't other gamejackers faked their Whois info? Why just this one?

If this site is fake, then so is the hack. Somebody posted on this forum that hacking a GoDaddy registered site is a really difficult thing to do.

If someone is going to risk breaking the law to jack an ARG then I would think that they would think that they have something to gain from it. What would the jackers behind TIDOWave have to gain from such a risky act?


I do web design as a side job and, for a fee, I register the sites for clients. It is very easy to enter fake contact info when you sign up. The only thing required to be authentic is the name, address and phone number your credit card is listed to and that info, of course, stays confidential unless you break a law. For instance, I registered a site for someone once who didn't want his contact info listed so I entered "1313 Mockingbird Lane" and he never had any problems.

As for why the jackers haven't thought to take advantage of this? Well... there hasn't really been a good or somewhat well thought out gamejack website, has there?


What about the date though? Can you get them to backdate it?

Because that's the important bit.


To the best of my knowledge, no. I haven't tried to do it, but I've never really heard anything like that, and I've been making sites for 10 years. It might not be possible to do it because most domain providers want accurate registration info incorporated into their whois profiles. Then again, you can make the argument that domain providers would prefer to have their sites backdated because the longevity of websites plays a big part in them selling it for the highest amount possible to someone else once it expires. But that's a little far fetched.

Googling 'can a website be backdated' doesn't even bring up anything relative.

A better theory, if indeed it's OOG which I still believe it isn't, would be that someone registered the site before they hacked Tagruato. Perhaps they thought it would make the site seem legit.

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 		Backdating can be done, has been done - but it's very rare.
It's not done often because it's very difficult or very dangerous in terms of consequences. Doing so via technologically breaking into the server and altering the information, or tricking it into showing an incorrect date is very, very hard and least likely.

But remember, humans are half of hacking.

The one case I saw a few years back was someone that obviously had connections inside the registrar. Their contact information was almost all just obscenities, and somehow the registrar when contacted didn't care. When looking at the information that could be gleaned about the person owning the domain (a troll on Yahoo chat), it was obvious they personally knew and where physically fairly near the registrar. If this site is backdated, it's almost certainly because someone is connected inside GoDaddy. They are not a small operation, so there could be a fair number of people with the access to do this. This site is the caliber of someone that works in the field of internet communications, whether IG or OOG - unlike the likes of most gamejacks.
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Euchre wrote:
Backdating can be done, has been done - but it's very rare.
It's not done often because it's very difficult or very dangerous in terms of consequences. Doing so via technologically breaking into the server and altering the information, or tricking it into showing an incorrect date is very, very hard and least likely.

But remember, humans are half of hacking.

The one case I saw a few years back was someone that obviously had connections inside the registrar. Their contact information was almost all just obscenities, and somehow the registrar when contacted didn't care. When looking at the information that could be gleaned about the person owning the domain (a troll on Yahoo chat), it was obvious they personally knew and where physically fairly near the registrar. If this site is backdated, it's almost certainly because someone is connected inside GoDaddy. They are not a small operation, so there could be a fair number of people with the access to do this. This site is the caliber of someone that works in the field of internet communications, whether IG or OOG - unlike the likes of most gamejacks.


So it's possible, but dangerous. It's especially dangerous because if it is someone at GoDaddy doing it and they messed up a movie company's site, I'm confidant the company would sue them and terminate any contract they have with them.

I can't see what's to gain, unless TIDOWave put posters up to buy and then I'm thinking that the movie company would just sue them for breaching copyright.

I mean, notoriety is only gained if people know who it is actually doing the hacking.

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Euchre wrote:
Backdating can be done, has been done - but it's very rare.
It's not done often because it's very difficult or very dangerous in terms of consequences. Doing so via technologically breaking into the server and altering the information, or tricking it into showing an incorrect date is very, very hard and least likely.

But remember, humans are half of hacking.

The one case I saw a few years back was someone that obviously had connections inside the registrar. Their contact information was almost all just obscenities, and somehow the registrar when contacted didn't care. When looking at the information that could be gleaned about the person owning the domain (a troll on Yahoo chat), it was obvious they personally knew and where physically fairly near the registrar. If this site is backdated, it's almost certainly because someone is connected inside GoDaddy. They are not a small operation, so there could be a fair number of people with the access to do this. This site is the caliber of someone that works in the field of internet communications, whether IG or OOG - unlike the likes of most gamejacks.


Good post, Euchre. I knew backdating had to have been a rare practice. But going off of what you said, it is possible. However, I still think that's a little too far fetched. Either it's IG or someone made the site before hacking Tagruato. If they were going to backdate the site for the sake of adding extra legitimacy, I would assume they'd backdate it to July 2007. The backdating theory just doesn't make much sense to me.

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Either it's IG or someone made the site before hacking Tagruato. If they were going to backdate the site for the sake of adding extra legitimacy, I would assume they'd backdate it to July 2007.

I don't think they'd backdate it that far, just far back enough to be at or just before the time the Tagruato site itself came about. Remember that most of the sites didn't appear back in July, but they DID appear before references elsewhere were in place - so it'd be more clear that they were not a fan faking a site (gamejacking). I think that the idea that the hack and the TIDOwave site could be the work of the same person is most likely if this turns out to be OOG. Consider this too - if you were Paramount and Bad Robot, would you want to admit someone pulled off such a thing? You'd really be stuck in a quandry of having to speak publicly about the campaign in a way that hasn't been done, and basically admit you'd been outdone by an gamejacker.
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Euchre wrote:
InAFieldofClover wrote:
Either it's IG or someone made the site before hacking Tagruato. If they were going to backdate the site for the sake of adding extra legitimacy, I would assume they'd backdate it to July 2007.

I don't think they'd backdate it that far, just far back enough to be at or just before the time the Tagruato site itself came about. Remember that most of the sites didn't appear back in July, but they DID appear before references elsewhere were in place - so it'd be more clear that they were not a fan faking a site (gamejacking). I think that the idea that the hack and the TIDOwave site could be the work of the same person is most likely if this turns out to be OOG. Consider this too - if you were Paramount and Bad Robot, would you want to admit someone pulled off such a thing? You'd really be stuck in a quandry of having to speak publicly about the campaign in a way that hasn't been done, and basically admit you'd been outdone by an gamejacker.


Another good post. I still maintain the belief that it's IG but either one at this point could be believable.

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 		I don't buy it, that memorial service message would still be meaningless if this wasn't legit.
Wait! Maybe it's an inside job! Maybe the site designers are maliciously disrupting their own viral campaign!

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I don't buy it, that memorial service message would still be meaningless if this wasn't legit.


That's a good point.

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