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[META][SPEC] Origins of the Monster
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Melampus
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[META][SPEC] Origins of the Monster

What we know so far about the monster, aka Grumpypants:

-it's approx. 600-700 ft. tall
-it approaches NYC from the water, so it can swim
-it also has legs and can walk on land
-it can produce an incredibly loud 'roaring' noise
-it removed the SOL's head and left claw marks in the statue in the process
-it hurled (somehow) the SOL's head very far, very fast (so, very strong).

Based only on this, which of the following do you think is more probable and/or plausible?

1. Grumpypants is a naturally occurring organism that's simply remained undetected for all these years... until now; or,

2. Grumpypants is artificial, i.e., was purposefully designed/engineered (most likely, by Ganu/Tagruato); or,

3. Grumpypants is a mutation, i.e., was not purposefully engineered by anyone, but is the result of some kind of toxic contamination resulting in the mutation of a whale or some other sea creature(s) and/or a human being; or,

4. Grumpypants is not of this world, i.e., it is extra-terrestrial, or extra-dimensional.

My own feeling is that it can't be #1, not because there couldn't be something huge in the deep oceans ala "Bloop" but because any creature like that wouldn't have legs that could support it on land. Any massive creature living in the deep ocean would be as adept on land as a whale, i.e., not at all. I suppose a sub-set of #1 could be that it's an ancient creature that was dormant all these years, like a dinosaur, but then it wouldn't be able to swim to NYC. Point is: I don't see how anything that huge could both walk on land and swim in the ocean. But, then, I know very little about biophysics.

#2 also seems too far-fetched, mostly because I can't imagine any plausible reason why anyone would want to create such a thing, unless it's the Watchmen scenario, but that doesn't seem likely anymore.

So, that leaves #3 or #4, and #3 seems unlikely just because of the sheer mass of the thing. So, that leaves #4, but I don't get that kind of vibe from this movie/story. So, I'm at a loss. Confused ??

Anyway, cast your votes, weigh in (as it were), and speculate away! Smile

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Very Happy You forgot the arms!! Laughing

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We don't know it has arms - might be tentacles... with claws. Confused

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I don't think you'll find out.

I see monster, Tag knowing about it before hand.
Military useless at stopping it.
Monster does what it's there to do (procreate and the like).
Monster leave.
Roll credits.

This leaves us with many questions that can begin to get solved prior to 'Cloverfield 2 : This time it's personal.'

Kerching!

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Shocked No this is JJ for crying out loud! it will be meticulous in its depth!
its origins will be in some respect nodded at at the least! but i think you may be right with it kicking our butt and leaving sending a dont mess with mother nature type message!
and as a thought what if the cause sabotages something that either aids the arrival/awakening of grumpy pants, or tampers to the extent of creating him/her? ouch!! an enviromental movie that says "leave the corporations alone we know what were doing!"

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I say 3.
It could be something that's deliberately engineered, which then gets out of control, I'm not sure if that fits under 2 or 3.
If there's any grains of truth in the ARG, I can't see it being 4.

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I say all four:

A natural bacteria of a common alge made biologically by Tagruato who then mutates it by sending it into space.

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Maybe Ganu is still mad about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and this is payback...

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The following is lost in the fog of time now (lol .. all the way back in July) but the same person who leaked the news that the movie was based on someone finding a camera and hitting play, (which has been confirmed) also told us that the creature was an alien.

I think it was that guy on Coney Island who allowed the filming on his property. Can't find the links anymore.

[EDIT] Ahh ... found it
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here is my theory which is 100% possibly correct perhaps until proven otherwise maybe.

Grumpypants is a NATURALLY occuring creature. The noise pollution (see tidowave's cruel-etin board) from the Chuai station causes the beast which has regularly been migrating and doing what have you near the ocean's floor to suddenly become scared and confused, thus causing it to swim right towards NYC where the mayhem occurs.

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I like the simplicity of that, but it seems unlikely that a creature that evolved to the size of a skyscraper and in the deep oceans would also know how to walk at all, and/or have legs and a skeleton capable of supporting it's massive bulk on land. Even if it somehow, through some fluke of evolution, had the basic hardware necessary for bipedal locomotion, how would it know how to do that? When would it ever walk?

Unless... maybe it doesn't swim at all. Maybe it walks on the ocean floor. Is there any way that's possible? Could the thing be so massive that it can't swim - it evolved as an ocean-floor-walker? Any biologists want to weigh in on this..?

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Melampus wrote:
Unless... maybe it doesn't swim at all. Maybe it walks on the ocean floor. Is there any way that's possible? Could the thing be so massive that it can't swim - it evolved as an ocean-floor-walker? Any biologists want to weigh in on this..?


interesting. I mean, crabs do it... it's possible. But they aren't bipedal. I think it could be possible if the creature was massive enough and in the right environment. Plus this is a movie. I know Abrams likes to keep things on the more realistic side to make it that much more intense, but he can stretch the limits of reality if he needs to.

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Melampus wrote:

Unless... maybe it doesn't swim at all. Maybe it walks on the ocean floor. Is there any way that's possible? Could the thing be so massive that it can't swim - it evolved as an ocean-floor-walker? Any biologists want to weigh in on this..?
I don't think so. I mean, I know it's a movie, but suggesting something can just walk around in the ocean floor... I'm not talking about the "shelf" where most sea creatures live (I don't know how far out the "shelf" extends though... ). I'm talking about the drop off after the "shelf." So very deep, and the enormous pressure... I reeeeeally don't think some biped monstery foorah is gonna be coming up from there. :/

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I don't think it's an alien, but the idea of space being involved is interesting. If our extremophile buddies have been sent up in the Tagruato launch for experiments, and are set to splash down anywhere in the Atlantic (like maybe near Chuai for easy recovery?) they could end up with an interesting mutation, or cause the mutation of something else. Put said extremophiles in close proximity with our kaitei no mitsu from the drilling rig, and even more interesting possibilities mount. Hard saying, but it's interesting speculation. At least now we have enough elements to assemble such speculations.

As for the claws vs tentacles - from the way our glimpse of Grumpypants shows what are apparently legs walking, this thing has knees. Knees mean bone structure, something not really found in the things we know here that have tentacles. I don't know of any vertebrates that have tentacles. Even if this is a mutation or engineered creature, that sort of mixture would be pretty unlikely (such disparate genomes do not play well together).

Oh, and as for our 'Coney Island' source:
Quote:
"The footage is taken the day before everyone dies. A bunch of kids come to Coney Island with a video camera. The movie is a flashback to that day."

We haven't seen a single scene of 'flashback' to Coney Island, and only one still shows characters not fleeing or at the party - they are at the bodega. The way the person is referring to it the 'movie is a flashback to the day before everyone dies'. The trailers would indicate otherwise, that it's largely ON the night everyone dies.

You don't suppose they'd lie or twist the truth to some loose-lipped carney owner on Coney Island, would you? Wink
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Clover wrote:
I don't think so. I mean, I know it's a movie, but suggesting something can just walk around in the ocean floor... I'm not talking about the "shelf" where most sea creatures live (I don't know how far out the "shelf" extends though... ). I'm talking about the drop off after the "shelf." So very deep, and the enormous pressure... I reeeeeally don't think some biped monstery foorah is gonna be coming up from there. :/


But riddle me this:

A hippo can submerge itself and walk on the bottom of a river. Considering how incredibly gigantic this creature is.... could it be a similar correlation?

I understand the relationship between the size of a hippo and the size of the river don't quite match up with this creature and.. the ocean.. but considering the Hippo is a mammal with lots of fat (which floats).. could there be some slight chance of this?

Plus, we honestly don't even know if it's bipedal, to be honest.

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