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[REVIEW] [SPOILER] My review of the movie
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InAFieldofClover
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 		By the way... I just watched the Slusho commercial again. There is, indeed, a Slushobot mocking the statue of liberty in it. Sorry Euchre.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:10 pm
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MrToasty
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 		Re: Damage control = BS
Slusho Addict wrote:

Euchre wrote:

Noise pollution is sound, not a biological mutagen. It can't cause mutations, it causes auditory interference so they whales can't hear correctly. This idea is so lame as to be inexcusable, no respectable studio, scientist, or news outlet would spew such crap.


That's not entirely true, if sound can cause physical damage, it's not out of the question that it could lead to mutations in developing fetuses.
Ultrasound is alleged to cause cell damage and brain damage in mice, and weapons have been developed based on Very Low Frequency sound, inducing nausea, vomiting and abdominal pains.


That's not mutation, it's simply a somatic effect. It takes things like ionizing radiation, mutagenic compounds, or natural random changes in base pairs to cause genetic mutation.

BTW, one simple PM to SpaceBass could easily clear up the author's anonimity. Users posting under multiple accounts is not permitted from everything I've seen, and SB is quick to ferret out duplicates especially when trollish behavior is involved.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:13 pm
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Euchre
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 		Re: Damage control = BS
Slusho Addict wrote:
I agree about the dubiousity of the sequences and stuff, but I think this debunking is a bit over the top.

Euchre wrote:

That makes absolutely no sense if you are trying to market a product to Americans. Japanese people don't have this huge 'hate American' thing going either, so it doesn't fit there either.


Heh, mocking the Statue of Liberty isn't a good way of marketing a product to Americans? How about... a poster of it decapitated?

Keep in context. We are talking about a Japanese company trying to market an imported confectionary frozen drink to Americans, not a domestic studio trying to market a monster movie full of action to Americans - and the whole world.

Slusho Addict wrote:

Euchre wrote:

Noise pollution is sound, not a biological mutagen. It can't cause mutations, it causes auditory interference so they whales can't hear correctly. This idea is so lame as to be inexcusable, no respectable studio, scientist, or news outlet would spew such crap.


That's not entirely true, if sound can cause physical damage, it's not out of the question that it could lead to mutations in developing fetuses.
Ultrasound is alleged to cause cell damage and brain damage in mice, and weapons have been developed based on Very Low Frequency sound, inducing nausea, vomiting and abdominal pains.

Mutation is not the same as injury. Mutation is a function of genetic structure, and is a part of the biological process of a being, not a response to injury. The sounds mentioned that would interfere with whale migration is also not ultrasound (very high frequency) but infrasound (very low frequency). Infrasound travels a very long way, and large animals both on land and in the ocean use it to communicate over long distances. In any case, ultrasound wouldn't alter genetics, it would only destroy molecules. Those effects you name for an infrasound weapon don't mutate you, just irritate you. You are also mixing physical change with chemical. You can't use a hammer to make oil into nylon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:18 pm
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hurrikenux
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 		People crack jokes in serious situations ALL the time. I have family member who crack jokes at funerals. It is not so unbelievable.

I find how vehemently opposed to this being true that some of you are - its hilarious.

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If I spend any more time with this 'review' it'll be to start referencing continuity errors like the flaws in wardrobe change between scenes we know are in the trailer and publicity photos (which agree with each other) and are pretty certainly the scenes as they will appear in the final print.


So...you've seen it then and you know for sure? It couldn't be that they may have shot scenes multiple times with different outfits like they do for MANY movies trying to get the look and moment just right. It couldn't be that they wear different outfits for publicity shots or that sometimes trailers contain footage filmed just for them. All my years of film school wasted. Oh the agony. Crying or Very sad

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, I'm simply saying that it makes sense both ways. No counterpoint made by anyone here has made this a definite bogus post. It's like playing a game of Bullshit in here. You don't know if I have three 3's or not.

The only counterpoint that makes it believable that this simply is not true is to say that this person does not have three 3's. I think you get my point. I guess only one person here really knows for sure...


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Mutation is not the same as injury. Mutation is a function of genetic structure, and is a part of the biological process of a being, not a response to injury.


mu·ta·tion [myoo-tey-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. Biology.
a. a sudden departure from the parent type in one or more heritable characteristics, caused by a change in a gene or a chromosome.
b. an individual, species, or the like, resulting from such a departure.
2. the act or process of changing.
3. a change or alteration, as in form or nature

I'd like to add that a keyloid, which is akin to scarring, is in fact a mutation. Scarring being a result to injury. What you are referring to is a "Genetic" mutation.

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Slusho Addict
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 		Re: Damage control = BS
Euchre wrote:

Mutation is not the same as injury. Mutation is a function of genetic structure, and is a part of the biological process of a being, not a response to injury. The sounds mentioned that would interfere with whale migration is also not ultrasound (very high frequency) but infrasound (very low frequency). Infrasound travels a very long way, and large animals both on land and in the ocean use it to communicate over long distances. In any case, ultrasound wouldn't alter genetics, it would only destroy molecules. Those effects you name for an infrasound weapon don't mutate you, just irritate you. You are also mixing physical change with chemical. You can't use a hammer to make oil into nylon.


Then I should have stuck to the OP's word, "deformed", instead of using the one you brought up.

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lapierre520
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 		Somebody please prove that this is 100% wrong because i'm sad that i might know the ending. Sad

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InAFieldofClover
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 		Re: Damage control = BS
Euchre wrote:
Slusho Addict wrote:
I agree about the dubiousity of the sequences and stuff, but I think this debunking is a bit over the top.

Euchre wrote:

That makes absolutely no sense if you are trying to market a product to Americans. Japanese people don't have this huge 'hate American' thing going either, so it doesn't fit there either.


Heh, mocking the Statue of Liberty isn't a good way of marketing a product to Americans? How about... a poster of it decapitated?

Keep in context. We are talking about a Japanese company trying to market an imported confectionary frozen drink to Americans, not a domestic studio trying to market a monster movie full of action to Americans - and the whole world.


There's a Slushbot in the slusho.jp commercial that strikes a Statue of Liberty pose as well.

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Euchre
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InAFieldofClover wrote:
By the way... I just watched the Slusho commercial again. There is, indeed, a Slushobot mocking the statue of liberty in it. Sorry Euchre.

Show me where.
Even if you can find such an instance, that commercial is apparently for the Japanese market - and yes, they use English in some Japanese commercials.
(As well as some other Japanese media - I'm a fan of Fullmetal Alchemist, and some of the songs used in the opening and closing credits were part English.)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:27 pm
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Her
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whois wrote:
shut the fuck up Euchre.

damn, we tire of you.

We got that you don't think its legit the first time. Don't come back tryin to be the God of debunking. Leave it be. Read, comment, move on.


Hey, no good, I for one look forward to Euchre's posts. being a new member (even if i was a long, long time lurker); his point of view is clear and concise. and helps me out alot.

about the spoiler: it was entertaining but left a lot of openings.

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J0shuaKane
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 		i usually dont remember much about a movie after watching it only once. except like the parts in the trailer, the general idea, funny one-liners, and if i liked it or not.

its probably fake but you all want a fucking detailed script.

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thetruth
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 		ok why is this even being debated this is obviousely B.S. the movie is too far away to even think of it being a few weeks ago that a screening happened. and besides the continuaty differences this whole thing is just fake. if jamie dies in the first 10 minutes then why all the jamie teddy crap. i just think its a troll trying to funny.

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djspankypants
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 		here let me solve this. everyones wrong. problem solved. lets move on to more important things. like looking at that same picture that shows up thats supposed to be the monster and lets all complain about it.

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Slusho Addict
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 		Re: Damage control = BS
InAFieldofClover wrote:

There's a Slushbot in the slusho.jp commercial that strikes a Statue of Liberty pose as well.


I don't see one Shocked

The chocolate one is waving on the website, I guess you could say that's a Statue of Liberty pose but...

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 		its just funny how he can recall exact details of some things that are related to the trailer and then he is unsure about others. its just stupid for us to make this a 4plus page thread because everyone is anxious for a break..well did anyone forget that tomorrow is the 9th and the big day for the mystery box. so until we see what that holds lets turn our attention to the funnier things about all this. but on a lighter note this is about as believable as bukakke berry slusho!

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thetruth wrote:
ok why is this even being debated this is obviousely B.S. the movie is too far away to even think of it being a few weeks ago that a screening happened. and besides the continuaty differences this whole thing is just fake. if jamie dies in the first 10 minutes then why all the jamie teddy crap. i just think its a troll trying to funny.


First off; not true. Screenings can happen a month or even longer before a movie actually makes it to theaters.

The Jamie and Teddy story arch will clearly be figured out tomorrow with Teddy's gift being revealed. I believe this whole idea is more for the progression of tidowave and tagruato than character development. It's pretty clear that Jamie isn't in the movie for long; she probably dies early on.

But to be clear, I am in no way trying to defend this review. We have no way of knowing if it's sincere or not until January 18th.

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