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faeryqueen21
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 		I don't see how it could hurt. I think Bobby kind of already knows what Nate is up to anyway. It might help if he can give us any info on the Focus Sphere.
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 		Tried to get a bit more info about Falthis and Bergeru. All 3 have split up by the looks of it.

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I have had very little contact with Bergeru and Falthis and they are hunting seperately, so I do not know how their hunts go. I spent a few hours searching the northern section of the city. I don't sense him here. It could be that he is Stopping me, but it just seems different. Rather than a void in the Ley it's undisturbed. Either he has gotten VERY good or he is not here. Have you heard from him?

On Jan 11, 2008 1:35 PM, <cidhighwind767> wrote:

I'm not familiar with that area I'm afraid. I live too far away to know anything about it. But maybe he had some kind of safe place in the North side, or was trying to get something that he thought would help. It's the only conclusion that I can come to. After all, running away to a random location wouldn't work. If he does have a safehouse or something, then maybe he's trying to get there.
What of the demon brothers? How fares their search for Nate? I don't think that he would come back in great condition if they found him. I'd say that very bad things would happen if you aren't the one who finds him.


I've replied saying that he hasn't contacted me since he was captured long before I joined in. I'd say keeping him in the dark about my communications with Nate would be best. I might be able to get more information out of him if he thinks that I'm on his side. I'm keeping my Angel name hidden from him as well.

I'll try and get some more info on the Focus Sphere by asking if Nate could use it to strengthen his concealing power. And if Nate isn't doing that, and Bobby says it's possible, it'll help Nate out as well.

You should give it a shot anyway radical. There's no harm in trying, and it may get us some much needed info.

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 		Alrighty, I sent the email, we'll see if anything comes of it...

EDIT: So, I got a response from Bobby:

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We could destroy the Focus Crystal, if we found the way to unravel its protective spells, but that's impossible.  The dark magicks protecting it are provided by the Source of all Dark Magick and no one can stand against that power, save Him and He has chosen to stay out of this. Even if we could destroy it, we would just be delaying the inevitable for a mere millenium. You and everyone you know will be long passed from this life, but your ancestors would face the same problem when the next focus crystal was ready.  If we can complete this ritual, I am planning, it will end it for good. The war between Heaven and Hell will stay where it should be waged, in the Aether, and Earth will finally gain some peace.


Interesting-- I've responded with a few more questions for Bobby; for now I guess I'll pass the info on to Nate and see what he thinks about it.

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 		Sorry for the double post, but I have some new info, and what might be a bit of a dilemma. So, I asked Bobby a few more questions about how the focus sphere works:
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Interesting... I must say, this piques my curiousity-- how are the focus crystals made?  Also... how did the demons begin crossing over in the first place?  If somehow one actually managed the impossible task of destroying the focus crystal and all the demons remaining on this side, wouldn't someone on Earth have to start bringing them over for this to all start over again?  Would there be some way to ensure that no one does so?


And he replied with a surprisingly in-depth overview of how the crystals are created, and how often-- I've posted it at the end of my post for those interested. The short of it is that there seems to be a bit of a flaw in Nate's plan-- even if we do succeed in destroying the crystal, the demons will have another one ready in 1000 years, and this whole mess will begin again. Bobby's plan, on the other hand, he says will destroy the Ley-line that the demons cross with forever, barring any further demonic passage to Earth. To make things a bit more complicated, Bobby also seems to know how to destroy the Focus Sphere. He gave me an outline that he thought might work, though he wasn't sure. Plus, there seemed to be a few steps missing, so I'll bug him about those and let you guys know.

So, here's the thing... I am, generally speaking, pro-Nate-- so on the one hand, I think it would be a good idea to tell him how to break the Focus Sphere. On the other hand, if that's just going to delay the inevitable demon-craziness, then Bobby's plan, while riskier, might be a better idea? Or at least, maybe we should try Bobby's plan and then destroy the crystal if all else fails. Meh, I dunno.

For now, I guess I'm going to relay this info to Nate, and ask what he thinks... I think Bobby mentioned in one of his earlier emails that he wanted to finally talk to Nate about the plan, and I'm starting to think it might not be a bad idea for them to communicate somehow. I don't want to give Nate's location away, but maybe they could communicate by Nate's phone (unless it could be traced), or better yet on the new angel-forum, so that we can see what they say... I'm not sure that Nate will go for it, but I figure I'll propose it and see what he says.

Anyhow, thoughts?

Here's Bobby's Focus Crystal info:

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I will tell you what I know about the Rites used to create the Focus Crystal or as the olde ones call it the Gemma Abyssus Cruor.
 
The crystal is grown in the 8th layer of Hell over the course of a thousand years. The process is started by the Source of Evil when he creates a particular type of hornet-like demon, how he does this is beyond me. This demon, known as Shxziri, after being instructed of its target finds the Duke of Hell (such as Andras) assigned to him and stings him, causing him to fall into a state of paralysis.  While the demon lord is paralyzed the Shxziri flays the skin from most of his torso and lays a single egg on top of the demon's withered heart.  After some time the egg hatches, releasing a large number of grub-like demons who immediately set to their work of coating the felled demon's heart with a thick red saliva that drips from their mandibles.  This process continues for 500 years, until the heart is converted into a large opaque and uncut ruby.  The ruby is removed from the Duke's chest, causing him to perish, and brought to the 1st layer of Hell.  This is  the closest layer to the plane that Earth rests upon and alot of the residual energy from the humans crosses over (Heaven has its own area like this, your kind jokingly call it "The Pearly Gates").  The energy from human kind is key. They set the crystal up at the Primitus Malificus and allow it to bask in the hate and evil produced by many of your kind that flows through the legendary Dark Ley line. While the gem is absorbing the Earth-born evil the demons watching over the process seduce and abduct an innocent every 26 days to use as a sacrifice. They normally pick children who dabble in the occult, promising them great powers if they complete particular rituals, but of course once those rituals are done all they have managed to do is seal their fate.  They are brought over, torn in half and their blood is used to paint runes of power on the surface of the crystal.  This process continues for almost all of the remaining 500 years in the process.  As time goes on the crystal becomes more and more transparent and the runes painted on it in blood began to show more prominently, eventually appearing engraved in the gem itself.  The last part of the process happens quickly.  They bring the near finished ruby to the Source and he sacrifices a drop of blood to it.  His blood seeps into the interior of the gem and forms dark runes of power inside of it.  These runes glow with power when someone uses it.  Lastly they take the ruby back to the cadaver of the demon it was wrenched from originally and place it back in his chest.  The demon is instantly revived and now has a duty.  The demon goes to same Ley Malificus used to bathe the ruby and steps into the flow.  From what I understand the next few moments for the crossing demon are both excruciating and rapturous as he is pulled onto the Prime by a river of hatred and the power of the crystal in his chest.  Once he has crossed over the demon reaches into his own chest and removes the crystal, but since he is on Earth the laws differ for demons and he survives.  The demon is Andras, this time, and if we destroy the crystal rather than seal the ley line they need for the ritual, there will just be another crossing over in a thousand years.   This is all that is known of the process by me and my kin.  There may be more to creating it, but we haven't seen those rituals and rites first hand, so we are unsure. 


EDIT: Oh, also... I wasn't going to mention to Nate that Bobby sent me the info on how to destroy the focus sphere just yet-- not that I don't want Nate to know, but I thought maybe we should get his opinion on the whole making-new-focus-crystals thing first... Anyhow, enough of my jabber-- sorry for the long post. Smile

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 		I guess Bobby isn't a millenialist who thinks all we need is another 1,000 years (or another after that. or another after that...) for humans to clean up their act so we can't send enough hatred across to bathe the sphere at the 1st level.

How do the demons, while in hell, manage to seduce and abduct innocents for the sacrifices?

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 		I guess they have their ways. It's sort of like saying "How did God tell humankind how to write the Bible?" or about all of those religous visions (Like at Lourdes)
Both sides are equally powerful, so they must both have a way to communicate with our world.

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Hello? Anyone? Anything happening here?
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 		So, i finally heard back from Nate (actually, he emailed me yesterday afternoon, but things have been super-busy for me, so I got it today Smile). Here's his response regarding the flaw/problem with his plan:

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I can see how that would worry you and to be honest I don't know how to permanently close the ley line.

The issue is this, If I can destroy the crystal the human race has 1000 years to learn to destroy the ley line. If we try Bobby's way and fail then it is the end for our kind. That's the way I see it and the choice is obvious.

I think that Bobby underestimates the power he is up against and overestimates his own abilities. He may have a chance to complete his plan, but I am just not willing to bet our future on it.

As for talking with Bobby I will consider it. I fear he may be able to locate me via my connection with the site. I will let you know soon.


I wrote back and encouraged him to communicate on the angel forum site-- I think it would be more interesting for everyone if we could all participate in the discussion/see how things are unfolding/etc. Here's my reply:

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I hope you can manage to talk to Bobby on the forum I mentioned-- or even in some other secure way.  I think it would be really good for all of us if you two could sort some of these issues out before we close off one or the other plans completely.

I will ask Bobby (as usual, without mentioning you) about alternate ways to destroy the ley-line, and more about destroying the crystal, which I am pretty sure he knows how to do.  Have you figured out a way to send us those runes?

One other possibility... we could try Bobby's plan, and then if it fails, smash the crystal?  That way, if Bobby actually manages to make his crazy plan work, we've stopped the demons for good, but if not, Earth is still safe for the next thousand years?  The problem with this plan, of course, is that it necessitates bringing more demons over to Earth... but it seems like a possible compromise?  I don't know-- but it would be useful to be able to ask these sorts of questions somewhere where both you and Bobby can respond...

Anyhow, regardless of all that, I hope you're doing okay, and that you're safe.


I also sent Bobby an email asking him for more info on how to destroy the focus sphere (as I mentioned in a previous post-- though I forgot to send the email till now, sorry!) and asked about destroying the Ley-line.

So, what do you guys think about the various plans floating around? If I get all the info on how to destroy the crystal from Bobby, should we send it to Nate? It would be a pretty clear betrayal of Bobby, as he's explicitly told me that he's giving me all this info for my own curiousity and not to use... but Nate is the one we all pledged our help to. Meh, anyhow, sorry if this is a bit of a jumbled post, but that's the update from my end, at least. Smile

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 		I'm still hanging about as well, just that I have the flu so I'm away from the computer for most of the day.

Anyway, after trying and failing to send Bobby in the wrong direction, I told Nate to try making multiple disturbances in the Ley to try and confuse Bobby to where his location is.

I'd say that we should gather up as much info on how to destroy the crystal and see what the others say about it first, but I'm all up for buying humanity another millenium. From what Bobby's told me as well, Nate seems to be the only one with the power to control the Crystal, so there may not be anyone who even has that power by the time another one is made.

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 		I was getting to a point where I didn't give a Heterocephalus' derrière which way any vote on the millennium issue went.

But then I got all contemplative about it.

On the one hand, our belief that we'll be better prepared as a species to deal with this problem in 1,000 years (somewhat supported by the fact that no previous group has accomplished the task) and on the other hand, the concept of lost knowledge making any effort 1,000 years from now impossible.

I mean, we're at a point in time where sharing of knowledge is global and instantaneous and it's stored in so many places that the likelihood of it's disappearing forever is very small. So, we may be more ready for a try at this in the future, provided there is continued interest in the subject to promote growth of the necessary knowledge and that some cosmic flare doesn't wipe all electronic storage from the face of the earth and send us back to the stone age.

And speaking of the stone age, and addressing the other side of the issue...
Let's say the necessary ritual entails the whole group being able to start fires, simultaneously by rubbing two sticks together. In a group of 100 people, today, how many could do that? How many out of 100 could have done it 1,000 years ago? How many will be able to do it 1,000 years from now? We're constantly amazed how bright the ancients were when we re-learn something they knew at some point in the past but was lost in the fire at Alexandria, the vaults of the Vatican or through simply forgetting as a species in the aggregate.

Sorry for the weird left-turn, there. But I had to share.

As for my vote, if there's any likelihood, at all, that we can stop it now and forever, I'm for that. If for no other reason, it just makes for a better game (And I don't feel like waiting around for the sequel).

ETA: Wouldn't it be funny if what we talked about, here, somehow got corrupted over time and becomes some future cult's marching orders for their "end of the world" predictions.
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 		Hmm, seems that you're not the only one with the flu, Highwind-- I got this from Nate:

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Sorry for the lack of contact on my part.  I have been laying low during the evenings and running during the day, but have managed to come down with something in the process.  So currently I am holed up in a safe location, but it may be awhile before I can move again.  So don't worry if there is a lull in communication, I just can't expend the energy to connect with you all right now.  Even this short message is draining me.  I will contact you when I am back up and running.
 
(sorry)
 
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So I guess Nate (and our PM?) is a bit under the weather... Anyhow, hope everyone is feeling better!

Also, Rogi, it is funny/interesting to see how very different skills are thought of as simple and commonplace depending on historical context... And it would be hilarious if this thread/game somehow turned into some sort of prophecy for a future cult. Heh, makes me wonder about the origins of some of today's religious philosophies and cultish groups... Smile

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 		I hope that nathan (and the PM) are feeling better!!

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 		Same here. I'll try firing off an email to Nate to see if he's better.

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 		The dreaded e-mail
So I got this e-mail today. While I hoped this wouldn't happen, I'm not too surprised after the recent down-time.

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We have a problem for real now. Sorry to jump out from behind the curtain, but we can't continue the ARG. The PM who played Nathan, Remliel, Falthis and wrote most of the story is in the hospital for an indefinite amount of time and is not doing so well and to be honest we aren't sure if he's ever going to get better. We can't really continue without him either seeing as he had most of the story unwritten and kept it in his own imagination. I thought about recruiting another person to continue on, but I feel like that wouldn't be right. This was after all his brain child, not mine or anyone else's. I hope you understand and if you wouldn't mind letting everyone else know. Thanks and we'll return soon with another ARG, promise.

Eric AKA Bobby Singer


I will now start wearing black for a week to mourn the death of this very interesting ARG. Thanks PM's, it been great, and I hope "Nathan" gets better. I look forward to what you guys put out next.
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 		Wow.. I really enjoyed this game!! Sorry that it wasn't able to happen!! Give the PM our best wishes to get well soon!!

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