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[UPDATE] Jamie and Teddy Video #5
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phantomjester wrote:
ok so a couple of thoughts/theories stemming from the new vid. jamie is a dumb bitch. that is first and foremost and just needed to be said. now on to the real thoughts.

1. in my opinion anyone from now on who tries to say that tidowave, tagruato, or slusho is oog is just fooling themselves.

2.this is not going to be the last J&T vid on that site. She will post a new one when randi contacts her, probably saying "sorry teddy, if you see this i love you and will help blah blah blah" (but at the same time i could just as easily see this as the end of J&T.com and the new vids coming from another ig site.)

3. I dont think that Teddy works in shipping for tagruato/slusho, but that he had the hat shipped to him, and than repackaged it with the extra goodies. i believe this because of how much tape was on the box, usually big companies don't use that much tape on out going packages, and it is usually clear packing tape not the brownish stuff that was on the box.

I will warn you now that is next part is pure theory and speculation going off of all we have so far as well as some things i have noticed. (bear in mind that i just saw the new vid like 20 minutes ago and my mind is still racing from it so this might seem to ramble a little bit.

So little bit of background that i am basing this on is something i saw with the teaser and the poster that kinda bugged me. assuming that everything in the poster and the teaser was exactly true down the the last detail, on the poster it appears as though the statue of liberty is the monster's initial entry point into the city, being that something that huge would have little to no resistance once it was in the city and thus have no reason to enter, go back out to sea, and re-enter somewhere else. However in the teaser when they are up on the roof if you watch closely in the background when the guy is saying "it was all shaking like tremors" you can see the statue of liberty in the background and then the camera pans over and the first huge explosion takes place in a completely different direction. thus leading me to believe that there is more than 1 big monster, one to cause the explosion the other to attack the statue of liberty.

So here is what i think. The evidence that was supposed to be frozen and not eaten is a piece of seabed's nectar or a piece of the monster, (but i am fully aware that those two things could be one in the same) I also feel that the monster is a parasite of sorts, and that once it is introduced to a certain environment (lenadia's mouth) after having been unfrozen for a certain period of time, it comes to life and regenerates and begins growing out of control, and the first roar we hear in the teaser is that monster calling out to the monster in the chuai station, or the monster in chuai station, having been woken up by tidowave fucking with tagruato calling out the piece of itself in NYC. than the one in nyc causes the explosion the bigger one from chuai hits the statue and carnage ensues. with other possibilities including that jamie and lena shared the special wonka bar of monstrosity and jamie explodes and becomes the first monster after leaving rob's party early because she didn't feel well, and then lena's little bundle of joy (impaired by the mass amounts of alcohol and bukakke berry slusho that he had consumed) doesn't burst out of her until later on in the movie.

Just my thoughts, let me know what you think.



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phantomjester wrote:

However in the teaser when they are up on the roof if you watch closely in the background when the guy is saying "it was all shaking like tremors" you can see the statue of liberty in the background and then the camera pans over and the first huge explosion takes place in a completely different direction. thus leading me to believe that there is more than 1 big monster, one to cause the explosion the other to attack the statue of liberty.


The green triangle with the red light on top you see in that part is the Empire State Building, I think.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=empire+state+green&btnG=Search+Images&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off

The S.O.L. is pretty much directly behind he explosion, but I don't think you can see it.

I like the idea of Lena defrosting this stuff and putting it in her drink, or whatever Very Happy

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 		My thoughts:

1. Jamie's not stupid. She's just a tad shallow and if it really's been somewhere around a 'month' since she's heard ANYTHING from him, she's got some right to be pissed.

2. I do think it's worth noting/remembering that the "freeze asap" item is first called "Primary Evidence". Meaning that -whatever- it is (and yeah, sea nectar seems the most likely at this point), Teddy at least -believes- that this little bagged stuff will be enough to break whatever Tagruato is doing wide open. Hence PRIMARY.

3. I think it's very funny he actually put there 'Don't eat this.' That says something about his opinion of Jamie. Smile But it also points out that whatever is actually is, it looks like something edible. In other words, it looks like something you would -expect- you could eat safely. I think it's a little strange that it looks to me almost like it's carboard in there, not something edible (or perhaps cardboard SURROUNDING something smaller still. A slide with seabed nectar inside for a microcope or something? Not sure about that.)

4. As I, myself, am not certain that we're actually seeing anyone sick and/or expanding, I'm not willing to call the idea of anyone eating this one way or the other. It's certainly possible, but not something I'm willing to stake a position on either way.

5. Teddy's not Whistleblower. Whistleblower is talking -about- Teddy when he says good people are missing. That I -will- stake my opinion on, as it seems crystal clear to me.

6. I gotta say, I think TIDOWAVE is in game now pretty much without any question. I think Randy did the hack of the Tagruato site and may well be the one and only 'Le Bandit Vert'.

7. I think there will be at least one more video from this site. I'm not certain what it'll be yet, but I'm sort of feeling another video. Then again, her last words are pretty final: "You're a prick and I'm done." Then black. That could very, very well be a sign that this site is OVER.

8. I do think the next IG step is gonna come from TIDOWave now, probably from Randy. Or, perhaps, on one of the Myspace pages.


Overall, this was both -very- satisfying, very expected AND opened a few new steps in the story. And I, myself, don't expect to see this ARE to be finished until 1-17-08.

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Slusho Addict wrote:
phantomjester wrote:

However in the teaser when they are up on the roof if you watch closely in the background when the guy is saying "it was all shaking like tremors" you can see the statue of liberty in the background and then the camera pans over and the first huge explosion takes place in a completely different direction. thus leading me to believe that there is more than 1 big monster, one to cause the explosion the other to attack the statue of liberty.


The green triangle with the red light on top you see in that part is the Empire State Building, I think.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=empire+state+green&btnG=Search+Images&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&safe=off

The S.O.L. is pretty much directly behind he explosion, but I don't think you can see it.

I like the idea of Lena defrosting this stuff and putting it in her drink, or whatever Very Happy


ok, you are right, i had never noticed the red light on top of the building, so since that kinda debunks my whole reason for thinking that there are 2 monsters my other theory is just that tidowave decides that they are fed up and decide to launch an all out attack on chuai to try and get teddy and others back and in doing so they cut the power or something causing the monster to be brought back to life, and then he charges NYC looking for the primary evidence, which i believe is of some signifigance to the monster like a part of his body or something. also potentially he is just smelling the little bits of him from all the slusho in NYC.

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7. I think there will be at least one more video from this site. I'm not certain what it'll be yet, but I'm sort of feeling another video. Then again, her last words are pretty final: "You're a prick and I'm done." Then black. That could very, very well be a sign that this site is OVER.


One more video will put us at six videos on the JLLovesTH site. I think, pretty definitely, that we'll see exactly one more video from this source - most likely after Randy contacts her.

Did anyone else find it odd that Jamie claimed to support "the cause" in an earlier video and, yet, didn't see the importance of Teddy contacting her in this manner? I guess it's pretty clear that she never gave a hoot in the first place.
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Okay, I'm trying to think of the timeline here:

Teddy leaves to infiltrate Tagruato after getting a job on the Chuai station.
He steals some of the Nectar and records the message, thinking that he's going to get caught.
He is able to make calls from the station, they appear to have pretty lax security at this point.
He sends the gift-wrapped package out from the station before they tighten their security after the 'incident'.
He's caught around the time that Jamie stops receiving messages from him, this I think is the 'incident'.
The Whistle Blower starts sending out pieces of the memo inside Slusho! orders.
I'm wondering if the Whistle Blower is Toshiro, Kazui's son-in-law who is rebelling against Tagruato after they killed his family.



I've got a slightly different time-line in my head:

1. Teddy goes to work for Tagruato. NOT at the station, in Japan. He may or may not already be working with TIDOwave/the Cause. My gut says yes.
2. He runs across the nectar and figures out what the 'problem' with it is.
3. If he's already working with TIDOWave, he contacts them about it. If not, he -finds out- about them now.
4. Whistleblower works for Slusho shipping.
5. Teddy manages to get the tape-recorder AND Primary evidence 'snuck' out of the Tagruato shipping with the help of Whistleblower. The evidence and tape recorder are in case he isn't heard from again.
6. Teddy THEN goes to Chuai Station to figure out what the hell Tagruato is doing with this stuff.
7. He is not heard from again.
8. TIDOWave gets ahold of communications they should not have heard about from internal Tagruato stuff. It's enough for them to decide it's time to step things up. My best guess at this moment is that it was Kazui Ichigawa who was contacting TIDOWave. He may also have been the one who got Teddy involved, if Teddy was already working for them.
8. Tagruato tightens security. Step 1--kill the leak. Step 2--shut down any chance for cell phones and/or any other communication getting out from any of their locations, ESPECIALLY Chuai Station.
9. TIDOWave steps up their attacks against Tagruato. They do a hack and leave a 'signature' in the picture for those who can find them.
10. Whistleblower begins to send out messages the only way left to him--the recently rising sales of Slusho merchandise as people in the US begin to learn about Slusho coming to their stores.
11. When December 9 passes, either Teddy will have succeeded or the 'trap door' opens. He sends this package to Jamie so that she'll have the goods TIDOWave needs. If he makes any real mistake, it was sending it to a shallow blonde instead of one of US. Smile
12. Tonight, the trap door opens. The next step is Randy's.


That's my idea of what happened as of current evidence.

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 		Re: my take
Colt wrote:
Caerwiden wrote:
Randy is one of the people who posts the TIDOWave updates.


OT and a dumb Q, but how do you know he posts there? everytime i go there i never see a name of who posted...


Someone explained it in another thread and there's a quote in this thread a few pages back that shows it.

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7. I think there will be at least one more video from this site. I'm not certain what it'll be yet, but I'm sort of feeling another video. Then again, her last words are pretty final: "You're a prick and I'm done." Then black. That could very, very well be a sign that this site is OVER.


One more video will put us at six videos on the JLLovesTH site. I think, pretty definitely, that we'll see exactly one more video from this source - most likely after Randy contacts her.

Did anyone else find it odd that Jamie claimed to support "the cause" in an earlier video and, yet, didn't see the importance of Teddy contacting her in this manner? I guess it's pretty clear that she never gave a hoot in the first place.


I dont think that she supported it, at least not necessarily. I just think that teddy kept it pretty secret, it seemed to me like she didn't even know what it was or where is was going for it, just that he was off "saving the world"

but wait i just had a breakthrough teddy works for the gillette razor company, we have been mishearing jamie this whole time, he hasn't been off SAVING the world. he has been off . . . wait for it, wait for it. . . SHAVING the world. sorry guys, i work graveyards so i have to find some way to keep myself entertained

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 		Just a suggestion.

Someone needs to :

a) Send a note to TIDOwave with a link to the new video and her myspace page (for contact reasons)

b) Someone needs to send Jamie (via her myspace page) a note about TIDOwave

Could move this viral campaign foward, though I have a feeling it'll happen on its own.

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phantomjester wrote:
he hasn't been off SAVING the world. he has been off . . . wait for it, wait for it. . . SHAVING the world.


Ouch, dude. Ouch. Shocked
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I've got a slightly different time-line in my head:

1. Teddy goes to work for Tagruato. NOT at the station, in Japan. He may or may not already be working with TIDOwave/the Cause. My gut says yes.
2. He runs across the nectar and figures out what the 'problem' with it is.
3. If he's already working with TIDOWave, he contacts them about it. If not, he -finds out- about them now.
4. Whistleblower works for Slusho shipping.
5. Teddy manages to get the tape-recorder AND Primary evidence 'snuck' out of the Tagruato shipping with the help of Whistleblower. The evidence and tape recorder are in case he isn't heard from again.
6. Teddy THEN goes to Chuai Station to figure out what the hell Tagruato is doing with this stuff.
7. He is not heard from again.


He says on the tape that he's already on one of Tagruato's stations, so he HAS to have sent the tape from the station.

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8. TIDOWave gets ahold of communications they should not have heard about from internal Tagruato stuff. It's enough for them to decide it's time to step things up. My best guess at this moment is that it was Kazui Ichigawa who was contacting TIDOWave. He may also have been the one who got Teddy involved, if Teddy was already working for them.
8. Tagruato tightens security. Step 1--kill the leak. Step 2--shut down any chance for cell phones and/or any other communication getting out from any of their locations, ESPECIALLY Chuai Station.


My gut feeling on this is that they found out about Teddy and that's what caused them to tighten security, it fits better.

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Caerwiden wrote:


He says on the tape that he's already on one of Tagruato's stations, so he HAS to have sent the tape from the station.

My gut feeling on this is that they found out about Teddy and that's what caused them to tighten security, it fits better.


No, you're absolutely right--I forgot about him saying 'we're on the station' on the tape.

I disagree that it's Teddy who caused the lockdown of security. I think the lockdown was because of Kazui Ichigawa--which is at least part of why Teddy hasn't been able to contact anyone (assuming he's even still alive). I think the lockdown = no more Teddy communication, not the other way around.

So revised timeline:

1. Teddy goes to work for Tagruato. NOT at the station, in Japan. He may or may not already be working with TIDOwave/the Cause. My gut says yes.
2. He runs across the nectar and figures out what the 'problem' with it is. I think there's a good possibility that Kazui Ichigawa is the one who gets him the Primary Evidence and/or gets him out to Chuai Station.
3. If he's already working with TIDOWave, he contacts them about it. If not, he -finds out- about them now.
4. Whistleblower works for Slusho shipping.
5. Teddy goes to Chuai Station to figure out what the hell Tagruato is doing with this stuff.
6. Teddy manages to get the tape-recorder AND Primary evidence 'snuck' out of the station and to Tagruato shipping with the help of Whistleblower. The evidence and tape recorder are in case he isn't heard from again.
7. He is not heard from again.
8. TIDOWave gets ahold of communications they should not have heard about from internal Tagruato stuff. It's enough for them to decide it's time to step things up. My best guess at this moment is that it was Kazui Ichigawa who was contacting TIDOWave. Perhaps they figure out that Kazui brought back the Primary Evidence and the tape recorder from Chuai Station or something (speculation, yes, on this one.)
9. Tagruato tightens security. Step 1--kill the leakm namely Ichigawa. Step 2--shut down any chance for cell phones and/or any other communication getting out from any of their locations, ESPECIALLY Chuai Station.
10. TIDOWave steps up their attacks against Tagruato. They do a hack and leave a 'signature' in the picture for those who can find them.
11. Whistleblower begins to send out messages the only way left to him--the recently rising sales of Slusho merchandise as people in the US begin to learn about Slusho coming to their stores.
12. When December 9 passes, either Teddy will have succeeded or the 'trap door' opens. He sends this package to Jamie so that she'll have the goods TIDOWave needs. If he makes any real mistake, it was sending it to a shallow blonde instead of one of US. Smile
13. Tonight, the trap door opens. The next step is Randy's.

Certainly, some is spec. Smile But that is what feels right to me, at least as of now.

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 		Hey, did anyone else try writing to Randy at TIDOWave, letting him know that Jamie either lost her cell or doesn't believe Teddy? Maybe that's the next step?

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Hey, did anyone else try writing to Randy at TIDOWave, letting him know that Jamie either lost her cell or doesn't believe Teddy? Maybe that's the next step?


Sorry, but why would it be important that she lost her cell phone? It isn't hard to get a new one, and I think it's safe to assume she did just that (for one, she mentions she's been texting Teddy, and for another, she's mad that he hasn't attempted to contact her - which would imply she has a phone at which she can be contacted). Furthermore, if you get a new phone then typically your old number transfers, so it's not like her number would have changed.
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Sorry, but why would it be important that she lost her cell phone? It isn't hard to get a new one, and I think it's safe to assume she did just that (for one, she mentions she's been texting Teddy, and for another, she's mad that he hasn't attempted to contact her - which would imply she has a phone at which she can be contacted). Furthermore, if you get a new phone then typically your old number transfers, so it's not like her number would have changed.


Well, yeah, in real life. I just thought it was strange that they would mention something like that. But I mean, yeah. I totally agree that it's unlikely someone who loses their phone in real life would have any problem getting their old number back.

In other news, has anyone received any sort of e-mail back from TIDOWave at all? I do think it's IG for sure now, but what the heck are the doing over there? It's been a while.
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