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[jabroni]

Don't apologize!!! Heh, I'm glad we have dedicated people like you working on it. And it could still be another verse, there's no guarantee or anything. I just wasn't sure if you saw the iniquity connection and I didn't want you to have to keep searching if you didnt have to.

I havent had a lot of time to try to decode it because I have two finals coming up, and work.

Oh yeah, I got an email from the CM. He must have read my post on here complaining about the non-existant phase 2.

[AtionSong]

I tried to work backwards to find the key. I guessed that the first word might be "he" or "we", and looked for the key, but I ended up with "wx" and other impossible keys.

[youthpastor247]

I went out on a limb and tried alternating between ROT-5 and ROT-9 on each message forward and backward. No dice.

[Das Llama]

If we have the verse right, then maybe we need the correct translation of the bible. I thought the pictures of the church we saw were Cahtolic. Do they have a specific version they use ?

BTW ... I just e-mailed the CM asking if we had the right verse.


Das Llama

[youthpastor247]

[Das Llama]

In the breathe me lyrics :
The fifth verse :
ninth word is :

unfold



........I found no lyrics for the 2nd song........ But that dosent mean you shouldnt try


Das Llama
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Breathe Me Lyrics
Artist(Band):Sia

Help, I have done it again
I have been here many times before
Hurt myself again today
And, the worst part is there's no-one else to blame

Be my friend
Hold me, wrap me up
Unfold me
I am small
and needy
Warm me up
And breathe me

Ouch I have lost myself again
Lost myself and I am nowhere else to be found,
Yeah I think that I might break
Lost myself again and I feel unsafe

Be my friend
Hold me, wrap me up
Unfold me
I am small
and needy
Warm me up
And breathe me

Be my friend
Hold me, wrap me up
Unfold me
I am small
and needy
Warm me up
And breathe me

[Das Llama]

[rABiD_kittEn]

Good job Das Llama!

EDIT: The painting "tiles" are from Rembrandt's "Return of the Prodigal Son", c. 1662.

The story is below, but the general consensus seems to be that the meaning is: "The Parable of the Prodigal Son reveals both God's love for those who were ready to accept it (the prodigal son who returns to his father), and his rejection of the Pharisees' self-centered righteousness (the older son in the parable)." "Jesus identifies Himself with God in His loving attitude to the lost. The younger son symbolizes the lost, and the elder brother represents the self-righteous. The major theme of this parable seems not to be so much the conversion of the sinner, but rather the restoration of a believer into fellowship with the Father. In this story the father waited and watched eagerly for his son's return...the graciousness of the father overshadowing the sinfulness of the son, as it is the memory of the father's goodness that brings the prodigal son to repentance."

Maybe Scott/youthpastor can add in something.

Then, there are more interesting possible literal THP comparisons (2 sons?--back to the CM theory, finances, physical distance, etc.)


Luke 15:11-32

The Story of the Lost Son
11-12Then he said, "There was once a man who had two sons. The younger said to his father, 'Father, I want right now what's coming to me.'

12-16"So the father divided the property between them. It wasn't long before the younger son packed his bags and left for a distant country. There, undisciplined and dissipated, he wasted everything he had. After he had gone through all his money, there was a bad famine all through that country and he began to hurt. He signed on with a citizen there who assigned him to his fields to slop the pigs. He was so hungry he would have eaten the corncobs in the pig slop, but no one would give him any.

17-20"That brought him to his senses. He said, 'All those farmhands working for my father sit down to three meals a day, and here I am starving to death. I'm going back to my father. I'll say to him, Father, I've sinned against God, I've sinned before you; I don't deserve to be called your son. Take me on as a hired hand.' He got right up and went home to his father.

20-21"When he was still a long way off, his father saw him. His heart pounding, he ran out, embraced him, and kissed him. The son started his speech: 'Father, I've sinned against God, I've sinned before you; I don't deserve to be called your son ever again.'

22-24"But the father wasn't listening. He was calling to the servants, 'Quick. Bring a clean set of clothes and dress him. Put the family ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Then get a grain-fed heifer and roast it. We're going to feast! We're going to have a wonderful time! My son is here—given up for dead and now alive! Given up for lost and now found!' And they began to have a wonderful time.

25-27"All this time his older son was out in the field. When the day's work was done he came in. As he approached the house, he heard the music and dancing. Calling over one of the houseboys, he asked what was going on. He told him, 'Your brother came home. Your father has ordered a feast—barbecued beef!—because he has him home safe and sound.'

28-30"The older brother stalked off in an angry sulk and refused to join in. His father came out and tried to talk to him, but he wouldn't listen. The son said, 'Look how many years I've stayed here serving you, never giving you one moment of grief, but have you ever thrown a party for me and my friends? Then this son of yours who has thrown away your money on whores shows up and you go all out with a feast!'

31-32"His father said, 'Son, you don't understand. You're with me all the time, and everything that is mine is yours—but this is a wonderful time, and we had to celebrate. This brother of yours was dead, and he's alive! He was lost, and he's found!'"

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2015:11-32;&version=65;

[youthpastor247]

Great job, RK.

As for anything I can add, I'm trying to figure out how he would be connecting the Prodigal Son with Deuteronomy 5:9.

The Prodigal Son was used as a parable to make the Pharisees realize their self-righteousness was a hindrance to the furthering of the Kingdom of God instead of extending it. It was a finale of a series of three parables (The Lost Sheep, The Lost Coin, and The Prodigal Son).

The Father symbolizes God, who not only rejoices over the lost coming to salvation but also seeks for the lost to come to Him. Notice how the Father goes running to the son as he returns.

The Prodigal Son represents the sinner, who takes the things God has given him, squanders it, and ends up worse off.

The Other Son represented the Pharisees, who were more concerned with their religious activities than about showing the love of God to those who needed it most.

Deuteronomy 5:9, as we've discussed before, is about how God told His people not to make idols or He would punish them, and He talks about how the children of the idol worshipers would continue in the idol worship, and God would deal with them as well.

One, a story of joy, redemption, and priorities in the Kingdom. The other, a warning of impending judgment from God for disobeying His commands.

I'm going to email CM to see if the key has anything to do with the Prodigal Son.

[jabroni]

Great job tracking down the painting!!

From reading this page about the parable of the prodigal son,
http://www.centeringprayer.com/kingdom/kingdom03.htm

It seems like if this is supposed to be connected, then the CM would be the older son, and Eric the younger son. Eric is spoiled and gets whatever he wants even though he's not the greatest kid. And the CM is a good kid who doesn't really get recognized for being good and is jealous of his little brother getting all the attention.

But, from what we've heard, Michael and Eric werent that close. And it seems weird that the CM and Eric would be brothers, unless the CM was abandoned and wasn't apart of the family. It doesn't seem to fit with the story though...

OR, maybe Michael was the spoiled son and his older brother was ignored (maybe the CM's dad?). This would go with the 5:9 verse, because Eric is being punished for his father's sins...

I don't know, this is probably way off.. heh.

EDIT:

If anyone wants to analyze the audio of this vid, here's a link:
http://www.flv2mp3.com/get.php?1198004990_332836_516214

[rABiD_kittEn]

Yeah, it definitely seemed to me as if Eric paralleled the prodigal son...but he never quite made it back home did he?!

I e-mailed CM earlier & asked him if Eric is our proverbial Prodigal Son. If so, I agree that it does seem to possibly go back to the theory that CM is from a past indiscretion of Michael's, & jealous of Michael's acceptance of Eric. We've theorized about this before, & the 'pedigree' chart kind of threw us off, but the CM could still be an 'illegitimate' that was never included or acknowledged. And, we also got thrown by trying to figure out how the rest of his "resumé" would add into that equation. Hmm. I'm going back to that chart...it always intrigues me.

[Deadfish]

It seems to all be a bit Scream 3-ish. I won't say any more in case others haven't seen it.

in·iq·ui·ty [i-nik-wi-tee]–noun, plural -ties.

1. gross injustice or wickedness.
2. a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin

EDIT: I guess we're at a standstill. I've tried several different things with the codes. Like lining it up with the verse and trying to rot it off of alpha numerics. Trying to arrange the letters based off of the letters of the alphabet. I can't get it out of my head that the answer is going to include the use of the entire passage. That's why he states "the verse". I also don't think it has to do with the song. That's just my opinion. I will hit it again a bit more tonight. I just suck at codes and no new ideas are springing to mind.

[ThisProteanSoul]

If the painting does have any meaning, it might not be comparing to any literal brothers. It could be Eric and the CM without them having any actual blood relation. Just a thought.

I know next to nothing about codes, sorry. I'll try to look into it, but I probably won't provide much help. :-/

[I LOVE PONIES]

[CheshireCat_88]

It's such a shame for us to part.
Nobody said it was easy,
No one ever said it would be this hard...

Oh take me back to the start.

Whoa! Sorry lol--I had a Coldplay moment there.