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[SPEC] Military Response To Clover/GrumpyPant's Appearance
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 		[SPEC] Military Response To Clover/GrumpyPant's Appearance
How does the US battle GP/Clover?
I don't know if a similar post has been made- search brings me to other ARGs, so i decided to start this. This was started in this thread http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22638&start=60
and since it was going off the initial topic, i made this.
Basically, let's discuss how the Army deployed and reacted to Clover's appearance.
I chose Clover, becuse an interview with Mike Stahl-David indicates that "GP" is nicknamed "Clover", hence, Cloverfield.

edit to add tag ~rose

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 		I wouldlike to know how they deployed so quickly... It seems like some heavy firepower. But, I assume since 9/11, emergency response to an attack would be much faster than before, and the National Guard would be deployed at the first sign of anything go wrong...

We can also assume that the army either A) Kills the monster, or B) Retreats and evacuates the city along with all the residents that live through the attack. (We can assume these 2 things from the last clip of the trailer)

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 		Re: Military Response To GP's Appearance
How does the US battle GP?
LaNcEleCtriKuTion wrote:
I don't know if a similar post has been made- search brings me to other ARGs, so i decided to start this. This was started in this thread http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22638&start=60
and since it was going off the initial topic, i made this.
Basically, let's discuss how the Army deployed and reacted to GP's appearance.


Like I said before, ever since Matt Reeves' interview, we can no longer be sure just how quick the military arrived at the scene.

I mean, he debunked our thought that the release date of the movie is also when the incident takes place. So can we really trust the time signatures anymore?

But even if they did arrive as quickly as we think they did, I really wouldn't be surprised with all that happened on 9/11 i'm sure they want to portray how our national security has risen since then.

Again, we also gotta take in consideration the time lapses in this movie, we're not really too sure how long it took for the military to react. I mean, from the moment the tanker was capsized, to the moment of the explosion in the city- that could have easily taken 30-40 minutes.

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 		ok lets get this started!
i say military has no idea
meaning no contact with the station
because the distance between Chaiu station and new york is so great that you would think they would have tried to evacuate the city

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 		Y wood the millet tree want 2 respond to Grand Pa's apeerints? Confused
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Y wood the millet tree want 2 respond to Grand Pa's apeerints?


GP means Grumpypants, not Grandpa. Sorry for the confusion.

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 		I'll repost some of the possible explanation for a fast response from the tanker thread:
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If it was something in the water, ground troops wouldn't be the prevalent force summoned. Nor would fighter jets. If the object shows up on sonar but not radar they'd pretty well know it's submerged - and there aren't a whole lot of underwater aircraft carriers. Submarines can't hardly carry a landing force either. Notice that in the new clip, the glimpse we see of the monster is NOT in fact during the military assault. It would appear the military manages to arrive after our friends have been in the bodega for a little while. I'm still with the idea that this is more likely a National Guard scramble of forces, or that maybe the military was on an elevated status because intelligence told them something about the events on Chuai station.

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If Grumpypants follows the ship, he would probably be missed on sonar because his sound signature would be coming from the same direction as the tanker, and as with radar you can 'hide behind' something large.
If Grumpypants is in the ship, it easily explains not catching him on radar or sonar. In BOTH cases though, previous intelligence about issues at Chuai, and the likely knowledge that a tanker is inbound from there, would explain the elevated status for the military. Intelligence is only so good, so chances are they could know there might be trouble but because of no solid evidence it wasn't an isolated incident they wouldn't be escorting the ship in or be otherwise preemptively responding.

To add to that, there seems to be some awareness that the incident would involve biological hazards and some understanding of the level of exposure that could be a hazard. This would tend to point to them knowing something about the nature of the incident that is theorized at the Chuai station (the memo hints at such a situation, as do other sources).
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 		so what did the chaiu station do?
did they just call the US and say "oh hey hows it goin...... oh thats good!...(blah blah blah)... oh yeah we found this killer monster and hes following our tanker into new york so watch out! BYE!"
that last part would be spoken quickly for comedy purposes

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 		How about the actual confrontation?
Do the attacks led by the army seem to have effect?
Or is it just pissing the thing off??

In the 2nd trailer, we see a rocket launcher. If that rocket hits GP and no effect happens, maybe only a little scratch, we have a big problem. Some jets might have difficulty navigating through skyskrapers and circling GP.
Finally, how about subs? Will they be brought in when it's found that GP is anphibian? Do they launch torpedoes and water nukes? Maybe GP tears one into two and throws it like everything else. I guess GP has an excellent throwing arm then.

I'll be sleeping if this were to happen, safe in Queens Smile

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 		Re: Military Response To GP's Appearance
How does the US battle GP?
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LaNcEleCtriKuTion wrote:
I don't know if a similar post has been made- search brings me to other ARGs, so i decided to start this. This was started in this thread http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22638&start=60
and since it was going off the initial topic, i made this.
Basically, let's discuss how the Army deployed and reacted to GP's appearance.


Like I said before, ever since Matt Reeves' interview, we can no longer be sure just how quick the military arrived at the scene.

I mean, he debunked our thought that the release date of the movie is also when the incident takes place. So can we really trust the time signatures anymore?

As I pointed out in another thread, there's a problem with that 'debunking' that means either they made a stupid continuity error (possible) or Reeves could be in some way incorrect (also possible - and he'd look stupid or like a jerk for misleading us). The idea of the timestamps being made as a result of the printing is a bit broken, because some of the pics are inscribed on the back. The pic of Jamie is the best instance, inscribed in a fashion that's timely to the party and taken at that party. That puts the party on 1-18-08. If they don't think that such a disregard of continuity is going to annoy many fans, they aren't too swift really. There's also the issue of MySpace progression in real time. Why also would they remove the irregular temperature from the final edit of the party scene? It's all a bit wonky, which sucks for someone that's supposed to be so talented as Abrams and Reeves.
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Again, we also gotta take in consideration the time lapses in this movie, we're not really too sure how long it took for the military to react. I mean, from the moment the tanker was capsized, to the moment of the explosion in the city- that could have easily taken 30-40 minutes.

Now this is the variable we have to deal with. Even by the pics on 1-18-08.com the military arrival appears to be an hour after the initial onslaught of the monster. That's enough time to scramble some National Guard people I suppose, and if there's already an alert status that'd be an easy time for a more serious deployment. At any rate, the timestamps don't give us too short a time for a response, so their validity becomes fairly moot anyway.
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so what did the chaiu station do?
did they just call the US and say "oh hey hows it goin...... oh thats good!...(blah blah blah)... oh yeah we found this killer monster and hes following our tanker into new york so watch out! BYE!"
that last part would be spoken quickly for comedy purposes


LOL also another side note would be that:
"Try not to drink too much Slusho! since it might make you explode and cry blood and stuff like that!! Other than that, how's your wife doing?"

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Y wood the millet tree want 2 respond to Grand Pa's apeerints?


GP means Grumpypants, not Grandpa. Sorry for the confusion.

Lol, I know, I was being sarcastic. But on a serious note, they would probably try to keep it under wraps, just like they did on Area 51. Of course, they would cover it up, no matter how much evidence there is, so not much help there.
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 		sooo considering attacking grumpypants
i dont think bullets will do ANYTHING
it would probably be the equivalent of rubbing the rough part of velcro on your skin
rpgs would be like getting het with a airsoft gun pellet
and missiles would be like a bullet....
or hes a pussy and cries about everything

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Lol, I know, I was being sarcastic. But on a serious note, they would probably try to keep it under wraps, just like they did on Area 51. Of course, they would cover it up, no matter how much evidence there is, so not much help there.


I don't think our government would go Roswell on this. First, they have to KILL THE MONSTER in order to cover it up. Kudos to them if they do so.

If they do cover it up, the first person on the scene would be... Will Smith in MIB form!!! loljk

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Random_kid wrote:
so what did the chaiu station do?
did they just call the US and say "oh hey hows it goin...... oh thats good!...(blah blah blah)... oh yeah we found this killer monster and hes following our tanker into new york so watch out! BYE!"
that last part would be spoken quickly for comedy purposes

More like US military intelligence watches and listens to just about everything it can worldwide. If something in the Atlantic as big as the Chuai station has an incident, Navy command would probably want to be aware of it. If there's an environmental group acting like terrorists, there's another reason to pay attention to it - especially if there's a tanker coming from that station to the port in NY. I was using Google Earth to poke around the area where Chuai is supposedly located, and considering what I can see on the land area of Google Earth - just imagine what the military can see. I'm sure the satellite and radio communications from the station are readily monitored as well.
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