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[39C] The 39 Clues
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Kapow512
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 		I think I have it
When Alice said that card 61 said that it told you it was the legendary POWER OF THE CAHILLS. I thought my first theory was very true, my therory was that the legenday POWER OF THE CAHILLS was the ability to work together. OR mix, much like the elements are together on a table, and can mix with each other.

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TheRealPip
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 		Element word jumble...
Dosido wrote:
katsmom wrote:
Do you think this would be so easy that it would spell something across the rows? We've speculated a lot on the possibility, So far each one is an element. If this continues it might be a possibility.


Actually, if the elemental thing continues, it's not really feasible. Since, as you point out, there are few vowels, it's nearly impossible to write out any english sentence using only the elemental symbols as the text. No standalone E is probably the killer.

I do concur with the possibility of the clues being a sentence, or paragraph of some sort, however - but we need more than just elemental symbols.


This was my idea however many pages ago (a huge word jumble created by the symbol names of elements and compounds). So far all the but one of the clues are elements (Iron Solute is not an element... iron is... but Iron solute, and any chemestry buffs can correct me if I misspeak, is iron disolved into some other solvent..... sort of like sugar disolves in water... an example of a sugar solute is sugar water, and in this case the sugar is the solute and the water is the solvent..... so Iron Solute is iron disolved into some solvent that is capable of disolving iron). HOWEVER, if you open the relm of possibilites to compounds as well as elements, then the possibilites for vowels increases.

Since you have to have all 39 clues to have the solution you must need each and every clue (meaning that you can't be able to guess the solution after 25, 32 or even 38 clues). This does tend to be an argument againt the big word jumble as you might be able to guess the solution prior to actually uncovering all 39 clues. Other alternatives would be a compound consisting of 39 elements (or parts if other compounds are used). This would be a very very complex coumpund (not sure I have ever seen one with more than 6 or 7 elements, however I am sure they exist.... but 39?) and you would not know the method of combination or the ratios. For example.... Carbon and Oxyogen can combin into CO2 (carbon dioxide) or CO (carbon monoxide) or even other rarer combinations. If you include ions it gets even more complex (Hydrogen and Oxygen can combine into H2O (water), H3O+ (Hydronium), or OH- (Hydroxide). So just knowing the ingredients without the ratio wouldn't give you a solution.

So maybe they are a steplist on how to process or make something (ie to turn lead into gold, first expose lead to ..... blah blah blah). This implies an order though, and while we are finding the clues in the order defined for us by the book/website, I am not sure there is an explicit order to them. Indeed, if you were to read all 10 books, then start going to the website you would uncover the clues in a different order than we are now (by taking them as they come). So, since the clues themselves are not numbered (other than the fact that they did say in the book that the clue in the will was the "1st clue"), I believe that we can't take these clues as an ordered list... or step list.

So, if the order isn't important, and you need them all, and there is no ratio or instructions that are being provided..... I keep coming back to a word jumble, created by the element (and maybe future compound) symbol names. I admit this theory has a few holes, but come on... we are only on clue 5/39 here.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:55 pm
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yoyoyo
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 		 clue #50
Does anyone know the solution to clue #50?


I got
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"KABRAS BRANCH LEADER"
but it doesn't seem to be right. I can't think of anything that makes sense. Does anyone know what it is?

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dragongirl76
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 		Re: clue #50
yoyoyo wrote:
Does anyone know the solution to clue #50?


I got
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
"KABRAS BRANCH LEADER"
but it doesn't seem to be right. I can't think of anything that makes sense. Does anyone know what it is?

leaders you forgot the s
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katsmom
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 		missing cards
I know this has been posted 1000 times, but has anyone had any luck finding cards 408, 409, 412, and 417. My card page 4 looks terrible with those 4 cards missing Sad

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Maggie
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 		Re: map
bedomii wrote:
how do u edit the map? becouse @ the end of book 2 it says they are on the way to tokyp and the plane is going past and i was going to put it in but couldn't Cursing


Try this link to get to the maps:

39 Clues Maps

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Interested in buying or trading cards?? PM me.

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aliceinwunderland
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 		source of glass shards
jvolgmann wrote:
Finally, one last question: I understand why there are music notes on the front of Book 2, but why glass shards? What's the connection? And didn't Gordon Korman say there were two, maybe three meanings to the title? I think this is a reference to the note Ian Kabra shouldn't have played on the harpsichord, but what do you think the other meanings are?
I still have a few pages left to read, but I assumed that the glass shards were from the glass table shattering when Dan and Amy were getting the journal out of Jonah's hotel room.
As for the false note... From this webpage: http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textf/Falsenote.html
Quote:
A muted or dampened note... It is often thought of as an implied note in a musical phrase ... the note is to be played very quietly, as a ghost.

Also dead note; ghost note.

I would have to say that the notes Amy played were the "false notes". Another meaning could be a misleading letter. Did A&D ever pass something off as a clue that wasn't? Not able to think of anything, but surely there has been some sort of subterfuge or deception involving a note or something along those lines.

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aliceinwunderland
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 		Re: Element word jumble...
TheRealPip wrote:
For example.... Carbon and Oxygen can combine into CO2 (carbon dioxide) or CO (carbon monoxide) or even other rarer combinations. If you include ions it gets even more complex (Hydrogen and Oxygen can combine into H2O (water), H3O+ (Hydronium), or OH- (Hydroxide). So just knowing the ingredients without the ratio wouldn't give you a solution.

You're scaring me now. You must be a chemist or something. Smile

TheRealPip wrote:
So, if the order isn't important, and you need them all, and there is no ratio or instructions that are being provided..... I keep coming back to a word jumble, created by the element (and maybe future compound) symbol names. I admit this theory has a few holes, but come on... we are only on clue 5/39 here.
I am a little disappointed to see that my energy/power theory is not catching on. Crying or Very sad
I feel the need to point out that just because most of the clues so far have been elements (iron solute is not) doesn't mean the rest will be. What about a series of anagrams. Has anyone looked at what words (if any) the other clues can make? (I think that katsmom may have had this idea earlier).
When you say jumble, are you referring to the word jumble puzzles like those in the newspaper next to the crossword puzzles? So, maybe the last clue would tell us which letters from all the clues need to be unscrambled for the answer? So, the clues themselves wouldn't necessarily have any relevance to the ultimate answer in the end.

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solver1
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 		New here .... read both books etc
Hello all

I am new here - sorry if I repeat things that have been asked.

I have read both books. I have purchased LOTS of cards - I am working on trading or purchasing the ones I don't have. I have LOTS of duplicates that I have not entered codes for . Do people actually trade them
' on-line ' or through e-mail ?
I have done 2 missions ( 0 and 1 ) and solved 5 clues .
Am I really that far behind ?
What do I have to do to get to the next mission. There doesn't seem to be a spot for a new mission ..does it appear after time ?
How far are 'others'.
That is likely a good start for now.
My head is spinning !
solver1

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aayush
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 		Book 3
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When will book 3 release? Question does anyone have a dummy account in which they have all five clues??????? Twisted Evil what's the user name and what's the password? Laughing

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TheRealPip
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 		Re: Element word jumble...
aliceinwunderland wrote:
I am a little disappointed to see that my energy/power theory is not catching on. Crying or Very sad
I feel the need to point out that just because most of the clues so far have been elements (iron solute is not) doesn't mean the rest will be. What about a series of anagrams. Has anyone looked at what words (if any) the other clues can make? (I think that katsmom may have had this idea earlier).
When you say jumble, are you referring to the word jumble puzzles like those in the newspaper next to the crossword puzzles? So, maybe the last clue would tell us which letters from all the clues need to be unscrambled for the answer? So, the clues themselves wouldn't necessarily have any relevance to the ultimate answer in the end.


Cheap energy, turning lead to gold, some significant technological advancement, some key part of our history that can be used to define/understand humans (the missing link of evolution that can help the holder of the 39 clues to understand the best way to make the next evolutionary jump for example).... They are all good ideas, but I don't think we have near enough data to speculate on the "what" yet. It was mostly the "how" that I was trying to get at.

And yes, it could be a word jumble (niothelosut = the solution) or it could be a cypher (which might help with the vowles argument... however a "jumbled cypher" would be almost impossible to solve). And certainly it doesn't need to be the converted element symbol, but the word itself.

Your mention that the clues might not all be elements/compounds got me thinking though. Certainly, you are right that one clue (or a subset of a few clues) might be instructions on how to use all the other clues. Another idea would be that maybe the 1st clue is more than just "Resolution" ... Iron Solute. There was a whole card worth of information on that clue. If memory serves, there was also some sort of writing on the vial found at the end of book 1 (I haven't read book 2 yet). There might be a second part to these (and other) clues that tells us how to use, combine, or otherwise add meaning to the 39 clues. Clues within clues! In fact, I like this theory of "clues within clues". I am going to add it to my signature.


Clues within Clues!!!
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katsmom
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 		I was thinking of using only hte first letters of the elements. We sometimes forget this is a game for kids. So far all of the clues have been given to us in the books, or with a card. Nothing has been overly hard, and Scholastic is saying this is for the younger ones too so I won't rule out anything yet because it is too simple.

My 7 year old was thrilled when she found the bus clue before I did. We have to remember, this whole clue hunt is for them, not us Laughing A new source of power/energy would be too much like something an adult would like. The allure of finding gold or treasure would be right up a kids alley! Fame and fortune (especially this time of year so they can get all those cool new toys that cost too much money) would be very appealing to kids.

I was looking at my cards, and I have 44 surveillance cards, but only 43 numbers. Does anyone besides the Wiki have a list of all the codes?

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katsmom
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 		Who says you can't work out the codes by brute force?

24TMC4PTX2

Ha! 45.

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sapagoo
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katsmom wrote:
Who says you can't work out the codes by brute force?

24TMC4PTX2

Ha! 45.

wait - you are saying if I go to my bookstore, and buy a book, and it happens to have 24TMC4PTX2 as the code, I won't get my virtual cards because you were playing around to see if you could find another code?
And I'm going to have to e-mail the 39 Clues team to get them to add the cards to my account, and they may or may not do it in a timely manner?

And this game is geared towards 8-14 year olds?

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katsmom
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 		I don't have that much time on my hands. No, someone posted their code on the net but it was only 9 numbers/letters. I just found the missing number Laughing

I think hte bookstore is still safe.

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