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[SPEC] A 450 mph monster
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opencws wrote:
You have to account for it's size as well when accounting for distance traveled. 2.5 miles might just be a couple of steps for something as tall as a skyscraper.


This is also true, the monster may be a mile long, so moving twice it's distance in 40 seconds doesn't seem too fast, not with huge legs anyway.

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opencws wrote:
You have to account for it's size as well when accounting for distance traveled. 2.5 miles might just be a couple of steps for something as tall as a skyscraper.


Leaving aside the laws of gravity that would force it to collapse over itself.

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carlosos wrote:
opencws wrote:
You have to account for it's size as well when accounting for distance traveled. 2.5 miles might just be a couple of steps for something as tall as a skyscraper.


Leaving aside the laws of gravity that would force it to collapse over itself.


Yeah that usually applies in giant monster movies Very Happy

But from what we've seen of this thing, I'd say the footsteps from one leg may be a quarter of a mile apart or more, so it could easily outrun a cheetah, even if it looks slow from a distance. Same applies with Godzilla or any other huge walking monster really.

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 		haha, exactly

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 		Your also assuming (the OP) that the monster chucked the SoLs head from the statue of liberty, which probably isn't true.

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Your also assuming (the OP) that the monster chucked the SoLs head from the statue of liberty, which probably isn't true.


It pretty much certainly is not true. This was discussed way back, when all we had to work with was the teaser. Folks familiar with New York geography realized that the angle at which the SOL head comes flying into the building meant that it couldn't have come from Liberty Island. Check out the diagram below:



The blue line shows Broadway, the street where the soon-to-be collapsed Woolworth building is located, and the street on which the SOL head lands in front of everyone.

The red line is the angle from Liberty Island to Broadway somewhere near the Woolworth Building.

However, when you watch the teaser, the trailer or the clip, you clearly see the SOL head come flying in from the left, richochet off a building on the right side of the street (when looking down towards the Woolworth building), and then land in the street. In other words, it approaches from an angle similar to the green line before it crashes into the upper floors of the building.

Unless Mr. Grumpypants throws a really mean curveball (curvehead?), the SOL head could not have been thrown from near Liberty Island.
Also, remember that we see the monster move from left to right in the clip, which is further evidence that he was to the left of our point of view at the time he tossed the SOL head.

Based on ALL THAT, we don't know from where the head was tossed, so attempting to calculate the monster's speed from this evidence seems futile.

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 		The head could easily have a curved trajectory, this isn't a spherical object we're talking about Smile

From the trailer, I'd say the angle it hits the first building is pretty much the same as the purple line, rather than the green one.
We do see the monster appearing from the east, though.

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 		So what that graphic is indicating us is that our monster has the ability to grab large objects and transport them. Perhaps landed in Governor's Island and threw it from them?

Perhaps we are speculating too far about what is just a dramatic license to make it look more spectacular, after all, how many viewers will check the trajectory of the head?

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 		Actually, the blue (purple?) line was drawn directly over Broadway, so it doesn't fly in exactly on that line, but it may well be at a shallower angle than what I showed with the green line. I was just trying to emphasize that it clearly doesn't come in from the right side.

And if that was a curveball, I'm sure the Yankees will be looking to sign Mr Grumpypants as a walk-on. Smile

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carlosos wrote:
So what that graphic is indicating us is that our monster has the ability to grab large objects and transport them. Perhaps landed in Governor's Island and threw it from them?

Perhaps we are speculating too far about what is just a dramatic license to make it look more spectacular, after all, how many viewers will check the trajectory of the head?


Exactly, I've already established that their apartment door teleports them several blocks across the city, and the head landing in the street was one of the first ideas for the film, not something added incidentally.

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carlosos wrote:

Perhaps we are speculating too far about what is just a dramatic license to make it look more spectacular, after all, how many viewers will check the trajectory of the head?


There's DEFINITELY a danger of getting too analytical when discussing any Hollywood production, where the rules of physics are treated more like suggestions than laws. But then, the producers, director, and actors are all taking about how they wanted this to be a realistic-looking film, so we can't be blamed for getting a bit technical here and there.

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But then, the producers, director, and actors are all taking about how they wanted this to be a realistic-looking film, so we can't be blamed for getting a bit technical here and there.


In that case, consider this hastily made gif Smile


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 		Laughing That's cute.

Geez, if the monster was that big, the SOL head would be about the size of a TicTac relative to its mouth! It could just spit it like a watermelon seed. Laughing

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 		We've already seen the head of the SOL ricochet once off a building, whats to say that it hasnt ricocheted a couple times already? Wouldnt this account for the change in trajectory?

After all, for something as heavy as the head of the SOL, it HAS to be going pretty damn fast to ricochet off anything to begin with. Hence, multiple ricochets.

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