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[SPEC] DSI - Sea Bed Nectar
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Marauder2001
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 [SPEC] DSI - Sea Bed Nectar
Just to not clutter up the video #5 thread

As the thread on video #5 was getting sidetracked with general discussions on the DSI I think we can take that discussion here.

What we know:
-It's found on the sea bed of the deep oceans
-It must be kept well chilled at all time
-The japanese have been ingesting fair amounts of the stuff for years
-It have a healing/nourishing effect
-It is difficult/impossible to analyze chemically in an independent lab from the samples obtained yet
-Tagruato keeps the stuff in secure facilities.

MY analysis:

DSI is not inherently dangerous if properly handled and prepared, as the japanes haven't mutated in large numbers. It might possibly be addictive though!

If it is not kept chilled, something happens to it that makes it unsafe to eat. This must not be a fast effect, as the body temperature will heat the slusho-mix in the costumer. OR there must also be light present for the metamorphosis to happen.

Could it possibly be some form of lifeform which, given both light and heat , i.e.different conditions than their natural habitat, evolves into something more malignant? Or perhaps the DSI is a secretion of some plant/creature? And the creature itself is NOT very safe to ingest?

I find it hard to think Tagruato hasn't been aware of this property with the stuff earlier, so I suspect that the DSI found at the new base might be contaminated, perhaps its a different strain? Remember it will be their largest operation, and with the introduction to the US market, larger quantaties of the DSI will be needed to fill supplies, so they might have discovered a new source of DSI. Maybe "ordinary" DSI just produces a toxin that makes you a bit light headed and refreshed when it is introdused to your system, while the new stain is able to do tsome process much faster, before the human digestive system can attack it?

Maybe the NY-DSI was the foodsource for Mr GP and he just follows the smell? Perhaps he has mutated/changed due to the special properties this DSI gets when heated in light? Or maybe Tagruato has experimentet on the DSI, tried to syntesize it, or grow a culture in a lab, and the results was not as expected?

Feel free to pitch in your thoughs on the subject...

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TheAirman
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Eggs. That's what I think the SBN is.

You have to keep them chilled just like eggs. There's no other reason to keep a nectar of all things refridgerated. Nectar and honey are thick enough as it is without it being coagulated in cold temperatures. What other reason would there be to keep it cold? Maybe to keep monsters from hatching and growing at an exponential rate.

The Japanese eat alot of raw ingredients, sushi being one, and it hasn't mutated them yet. Soybeans as well, and I believe they have some healthy properties as well. Maybe it's difficult to analyze because they haven't done so in the past yet, so there's nothing to cross-reference it to.

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Re: [SPEC] DSI - Sea Bed Nectar
Just to not clutter up the video #5 thread

Marauder2001 wrote:
As the thread on video #5 was getting sidetracked with general discussions on the DSI I think we can take that discussion here.

What we know:
-It's found on the sea bed of the deep oceans
-It must be kept well chilled at all time
-The japanese have been ingesting fair amounts of the stuff for years
-It have a healing/nourishing effect
-It is difficult/impossible to analyze chemically in an independent lab from the samples obtained yet
-Tagruato keeps the stuff in secure facilities.

MY analysis:

DSI is not inherently dangerous if properly handled and prepared, as the japanes haven't mutated in large numbers. It might possibly be addictive though!

If it is not kept chilled, something happens to it that makes it unsafe to eat. This must not be a fast effect, as the body temperature will heat the slusho-mix in the costumer. OR there must also be light present for the metamorphosis to happen.

Could it possibly be some form of lifeform which, given both light and heat , i.e.different conditions than their natural habitat, evolves into something more malignant? Or perhaps the DSI is a secretion of some plant/creature? And the creature itself is NOT very safe to ingest?

I find it hard to think Tagruato hasn't been aware of this property with the stuff earlier, so I suspect that the DSI found at the new base might be contaminated, perhaps its a different strain? Remember it will be their largest operation, and with the introduction to the US market, larger quantaties of the DSI will be needed to fill supplies, so they might have discovered a new source of DSI. Maybe "ordinary" DSI just produces a toxin that makes you a bit light headed and refreshed when it is introdused to your system, while the new stain is able to do tsome process much faster, before the human digestive system can attack it?

Maybe the NY-DSI was the foodsource for Mr GP and he just follows the smell? Perhaps he has mutated/changed due to the special properties this DSI gets when heated in light? Or maybe Tagruato has experimentet on the DSI, tried to syntesize it, or grow a culture in a lab, and the results was not as expected?

Feel free to pitch in your thoughs on the subject...


My thoughts are that the Nectar is NOT what makes people explode. It just can't be because it would have happened many times before.

What makes people explode in my opinion is some sort of venom that the monster has.

Remember the trailer.

"Has she been bitten?"

"There's nothing you can do for her now."

Not "Did she drink any Slusho! at any point?"
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i agree with TheAirman, eggs make alot of sense.

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If a SKYSCRAPER sized beast bit her, there would be nothing left to explode.

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Diet Slusho
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I hate to bring this up, since it's just random garbage that popped up four months ago, but it seems to make a little bit of sense now. Not to say that I think it's authentic now that it suddenly makes sense. Just reminding people it's around (though I probably don't need to). It's just an interesting coincidence.

Quote:
"Japanese scientists begin studying this passive organism and find that it is a perfect nourishment supplement to humans. Grown in an agricultural field on the island of Hokkaido, Japan, these organisms create the appearance of cloverfields. The scientists learn that these organisms are beneficial symbiotic parasites that give us additional nourishment and make us feel happy. Thus humans and the parasites become one.

They are kept cold to prevent them from dying from exposure until they are introduced into their host. Thus the development of the awesome and delicious drink – Slusho! (It makes me happy)."


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Granted, it could be eggs or seed pods, but then I think there must be something special with the DSI used in america, or the japs would burst all over the place after years of drinking Slusho!

I find it more plausible that the "nectar" or "honey" is a biproduct from some biological prosess in the ooze. And that this stuff goes bad when heated (maybe loose its effect as an active ingredient?) But maybe Tagruato either has made syntetic DSI or found a different kind, that does not just loose its pep when exposed to heat, but actually acts as some sort of toxin?

If the sample Teddy sent Jamie is not just DSI, but the PRODUCERS of DSI, eating the sample could mess up the recipient in all kinds of ways. The "Freeze-note" could just be a way to make the biological process act as in-situ...

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I don't think the DSI has anything to do with "exploding" or "infected" people. As said, the Japanese have been injesting it for years (And any American visiting Japan, no doubt), and no bad effects yet. If heating activates the Nectar there would have been plenty of incidents before now.

Who hasn't left their Icee or Slush Puppy in the car for a couple of hours, came back to find it melted and warm, and sipped it anyway?

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I sure hope it's not eggs...It just CAN'T be eggs. As someone said before, we already ruined one great monster movie legend by taking away brains and giving "her" eggs. Forget the ARG, if it's eggs, the movie will blow to no end. I'll feel like I'm watching Zilla all over again. Sigh, *looks on Cloverfield IMDB cast list for Matthew Broderick*

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Patrick Star wrote:
If a SKYSCRAPER sized beast bit her, there would be nothing left to explode.


Not all the monsters are SKYSCRAPER-sized. Remember, there's tons of "little" (comparatively speaking) beasties running around there, too.

One would assume the "has she been bitten" quote from the trailer was referring to one of the little buggers, not Big Mama/Big Papa.

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Not sure about the whole eggs thing either. I just cannot see how there would be so many eggs and only one giant monster. And I gotta tell ya, I sure hope there are no little monsters. One more thing, I will go on record right now and say I do not think there are any exploding people either. Don't get me wrong, infected zombie like exploding people would be sweet, I just don't picture it along with a giant monster in a movie. I cannot see how that would work but then again I am not a rich film producer/director with a huge staff of writers either. Just my opinion. Confused

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SBN Ingredients

I replied to the restaurant review by MacDooble today, asking him if
there was any way to get the ingredients to the seabed nectar. Whoever MacDooble is, I wonder if will answer anyone if he gets a bunch of replies. So far I am the only person that has replied to the review.
Can all this material be explained and shown in one movie??

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Headman wrote:
Not sure about the whole eggs thing either. I just cannot see how there would be so many eggs and only one giant monster. And I gotta tell ya, I sure hope there are no little monsters. One more thing, I will go on record right now and say I do not think there are any exploding people either. Don't get me wrong, infected zombie like exploding people would be sweet, I just don't picture it along with a giant monster in a movie. I cannot see how that would work but then again I am not a rich film producer/director with a huge staff of writers either. Just my opinion. Confused


It's a shame they show a girl expanding in the trailer then.

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As with all things JJ Abrams, this exploding girl may not be what she seems. If you think about how LOST works (which I know JJ doesn't have much to do with anymore, but the "mystery formula" is still the same as it always has been).

First, we see something that's scary and we don't understand it...It just raises a lot of questions and makes little sense to the plot at hand.

Second, we see a character or even or object that ties into the mystery.

Finally, the mystery is explained and what once was scary is now innocuous and harmless. A good example of this is how in the first season of LOST we see a very strange looking golden retriever staring at the survivors off in the jungle. The dog seems ominous, but it turns out it's just a survivor's dog. This formula has been applied to the show time and time again, and I see it being present in Cloverfield as well.

Jamie's gift contains the lamest surprise ever. If this guy Teddy was in real, actual trouble...Why put your desperate cry for help in a box that isn't supposed to be open for two months?!?!?! Probably something totally harmless...Maybe the monster is actually a good thing...

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Where exactly does it say 'Has she been bitten?' in the trailer? I just watched it, and I didn't hear anyone say it once...

Can you please tell me at what time frame the person says it? I'll watch it one more time to see if I hear it, but I think I would have heard that, or more people would be talking about that..

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