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xboyonfirex
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djspankypants wrote:
no i get it. after all these wild haired ideas, hes right it is godzilla. fuck you jj abrams, i am no longer your pawn, our man here figured it out. Peace my friends, i am just going to wait til 1-18-08 to watch the new "Zilla" movie and not participate in this ARG anymore.


lmao.

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"It's an entirely original story and monster," Burk, a producing partner with Lost co-creator J.J. Abrams, said in an interview in November.


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Euchre wrote:

Ask yourself this:
What happened to Captain Marvel?
You know, the character with the namesake of Marvel Comics?
DC Comics bought him (and his 'family') and tried to rebrand him as "Shazaam" - and well...
He's basically a dead character.


The fight raged in my heart, to say at least something.....

Shazam was actually the name of the wizard that gave young Billy Batson the power to transform into the worlds mightiest mortal. His name is, and always has been, Captain Marvel. He was originally shown in Fawcett comics from approx. 1939-1953. Outselling even Superman over at DC. The other Captain, Captain Mar-vell, was a creation of Marvel Comics in the mid sixties to try and steal some of the limelight when the original wound up in print limbo when Fawcett went out of business. DC acquired the rights, and Captain Marvel is as alive, and popular, as ever. Just check out a copy of Kingdom Come, The Power of Shazam, or the new movie slated for 2009.

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 		-_-

The only thing I know is very reminiscent
of Godzilla is the Brooklyn Bridge....
which is annoying already...
what's this the third movie they destroyed it?

And the fact that I'm from Brooklyn
adds to the annoyance.

-_-

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 		DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hurley wrote:
Euchre wrote:

Ask yourself this:
What happened to Captain Marvel?
You know, the character with the namesake of Marvel Comics?
DC Comics bought him (and his 'family') and tried to rebrand him as "Shazaam" - and well...
He's basically a dead character.


The fight raged in my heart, to say at least something.....

Shazam was actually the name of the wizard that gave young Billy Batson the power to transform into the worlds mightiest mortal. His name is, and always has been, Captain Marvel. He was originally shown in Fawcett comics from approx. 1939-1953. Outselling even Superman over at DC. The other Captain, Captain Mar-vell, was a creation of Marvel Comics in the mid sixties to try and steal some of the limelight when the original wound up in print limbo when Fawcett went out of business. DC acquired the rights, and Captain Marvel is as alive, and popular, as ever. Just check out a copy of Kingdom Come, The Power of Shazam, or the new movie slated for 2009.


Damn u put him in his place LMAO, Thats getting told Worshippy Shocked
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 		Re: DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saiyan King wrote:
Hurley wrote:
Euchre wrote:

Ask yourself this:
What happened to Captain Marvel?
You know, the character with the namesake of Marvel Comics?
DC Comics bought him (and his 'family') and tried to rebrand him as "Shazaam" - and well...
He's basically a dead character.


The fight raged in my heart, to say at least something.....

Shazam was actually the name of the wizard that gave young Billy Batson the power to transform into the worlds mightiest mortal. His name is, and always has been, Captain Marvel. He was originally shown in Fawcett comics from approx. 1939-1953. Outselling even Superman over at DC. The other Captain, Captain Mar-vell, was a creation of Marvel Comics in the mid sixties to try and steal some of the limelight when the original wound up in print limbo when Fawcett went out of business. DC acquired the rights, and Captain Marvel is as alive, and popular, as ever. Just check out a copy of Kingdom Come, The Power of Shazam, or the new movie slated for 2009.


Damn u put him in his place LMAO, Thats getting told Worshippy Shocked

I didn't say who DC bought Captain Marvel from. Do you think maybe Fawcett would have had a serious problem with confusion over brand identity and ownership with a comic brand Marvel around? Don't suppose that presented a little problem eh?
DC's run with Capt. Marvel is nowhere compared to it's real powers - Superman and Batman. Several other of it's possessions have made it to the big screen, but not with the kind of success that the 'big S' and 'Bat' have had. Do you remember The Shadow? That's just doing great, right?
I haven't seen people running around with Capt. Marvel shirts, no tattoos on young hipsters arms...
Is Swamp Thing still in print? That scored a movie.
Just because a comic book character makes it to the big screen doesn't mean it's a powerhouse - it would seem as often it's an easy grab of a story with some basis of recognition to help make it viable. I think the owners of these characters hope that a movie will make them far more valuable again. I'd bet you that's much of what is happening with The Fantastic Four.

You still miss the point...
I remember when being into Godzilla movies was 'uber-cool' (to put it in far more recent parlance). Godzilla's popularity has faded, and the weak offshoot that is Zilla doesn't help it any.
Another analogy for you, or two really...
Star Trek: Voyager anyone? How about Enterprise?

Oh, and Saiyan King - stop borrowing other people's gonads. Wink
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 		Borrowing others gonads? I called your ass out already once today, so i guess unless you dont read everything or were just too stupid to pick up on my meaning , youd know i got plenty of my own balls , and secondly i was just playing around, so chill out . This is exactly what i meant in earlier musings about some people on here taking shit way too seriously
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 		Re: DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Euchre wrote:
Saiyan King wrote:
Hurley wrote:
Euchre wrote:

Ask yourself this:
What happened to Captain Marvel?
You know, the character with the namesake of Marvel Comics?
DC Comics bought him (and his 'family') and tried to rebrand him as "Shazaam" - and well...
He's basically a dead character.


The fight raged in my heart, to say at least something.....

Shazam was actually the name of the wizard that gave young Billy Batson the power to transform into the worlds mightiest mortal. His name is, and always has been, Captain Marvel. He was originally shown in Fawcett comics from approx. 1939-1953. Outselling even Superman over at DC. The other Captain, Captain Mar-vell, was a creation of Marvel Comics in the mid sixties to try and steal some of the limelight when the original wound up in print limbo when Fawcett went out of business. DC acquired the rights, and Captain Marvel is as alive, and popular, as ever. Just check out a copy of Kingdom Come, The Power of Shazam, or the new movie slated for 2009.


Damn u put him in his place LMAO, Thats getting told Worshippy Shocked

I didn't say who DC bought Captain Marvel from. Do you think maybe Fawcett would have had a serious problem with confusion over brand identity and ownership with a comic brand Marvel around? Don't suppose that presented a little problem eh?
DC's run with Capt. Marvel is nowhere compared to it's real powers - Superman and Batman. Several other of it's possessions have made it to the big screen, but not with the kind of success that the 'big S' and 'Bat' have had. Do you remember The Shadow? That's just doing great, right?
I haven't seen people running around with Capt. Marvel shirts, no tattoos on young hipsters arms...


erg...

I hate to jump into a comic-book nerd fray, but I can't resist....

Euchre, I like ya and all that, but Hurley's spot on about Cap Marvel -- you don't have your facts straight about The Big Red Cheese. Captain Marvel is, and always has been, a FAWCETT character, from back in the 40s, long before Marvel Comics ever introduced their namesake in the late 60s. When DC bought Fawcett, they inherited Captain Marvel who instantly got kinda shoved into Superman's shadow (what DC character *doesn't* live in the shadow of Supes and Bats, and maybe Wonder Woman...??). In the early 70s, with TWO completely unrelated Captain Marvels vying for the stage, DC gamely/lamely started referring to *their* character (the Fawcett one) as "Shazam!" to try to maintain a separate identity from the Marvel Comics version.

But "Shazam!" is NOT the big red guy's name -- never has been. It's the word Billy Batson uses to transform into Captain Marvel (a reference to the wizard of that name who gave him his powers). As for the Marvel Comics version: most fanboys call him Mar-Vell to distinguish him from the DC/Fawcett version these days. (And to FURTHER confuse the matter, Marvel's "Captain Marvel" *also* refers to OTHER heroes/heroines -- such as Genis-Vell and Phy-Vell and Photon/Monica Rambeau -- with the name becoming more of a generic title now than an actual singular character.)


NERD-EDIT: Also, The Shadow isn't a DC character.

There! That nerdgasm felt sooooo damn good. Wink
me likey da comix boox

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 		Euchre,
wasn't calling you out, don't take it that way.

Saiyan King,
don't we have enough to worry us without infighting? Be cool man. I just saw an inconsistency in Euchre's analogy. Fanboy inside took over. Wasn't meant to be a snub in any way. It's not a pissing contest, even though many try to make it one. Just some civil discourse.

I pretty much dig everyone here, DO NOT put me in the middle of that type of crap.

[edit] The Shadow was also a fantastic series of radio talkies, and one reelers in the early twenties and thirties. He WAS the precursor to alot of todays more admired characters. If Bob Kane were alive, he'd tell you, no Shadow, no Bat's.

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Hurley wrote:
Euchre,
wasn't calling you out, don't take it that way.

Saiyan King,
don't we have enough to worry us without infighting? Be cool man. I just saw an inconsistency in Euchre's analogy. Fanboy inside took over. Wasn't meant to be a snub in any way. It's not a pissing contest, even though many try to make it one. Just some civil discourse.

I pretty much dig everyone here, DO NOT put me in the middle of that type of crap.


Youre right and i apologize for losing my temper. I was playing around, which i thought was pretty damn obvious and i thought that comment was totally uncalled for. Im too damn old for that childish crap. I am just getting pretty fed up with how this place is getting lately, Everyone needs to chill out. So once again i apologize. You guys know me, ive been here for a bit, thats not me, I dont lose my temper like that
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 		the best part about this entire DC/Marvel fiasco is that SLUSHO[something, something, its Godzilla, something else] says in the very beginning in his subject description; "Please dont go off topic again."


lol, you guys are champs.

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 		Re: DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brettoniasam wrote:
erg...

I hate to jump into a comic-book nerd fray, but I can't resist....

Euchre, I like ya and all that, but Hurley's spot on about Cap Marvel -- you don't have your facts straight about The Big Red Cheese. Captain Marvel is, and always has been, a FAWCETT character, from back in the 40s, long before Marvel Comics ever introduced their namesake in the late 60s. When DC bought Fawcett, they inherited Captain Marvel who instantly got kinda shoved into Superman's shadow (what DC character *doesn't* live in the shadow of Supes and Bats, and maybe Wonder Woman...??). In the early 70s, with TWO completely unrelated Captain Marvels vying for the stage, DC gamely/lamely started referring to *their* character (the Fawcett one) as "Shazam!" to try to maintain a separate identity from the Marvel Comics version.

Again, you didn't follow my point. Fawcett created the original character, at about the same time this thing called Marvel Comics was being created. Confusion could not have helped at all. Later when DC bought the rights, the confusion didn't get any better. You folks seem to be mad at me because DC chose to try to rename the character to shed his 'Marvelesque' identity. I don't pose that his name was ever supposed to be that, and I remember in the 80s (when I was getting DC comics for free for a while) DC still insisted on calling him Shazam.
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But "Shazam!" is NOT the big red guy's name -- never has been. It's the word Billy Batson uses to transform into Captain Marvel (a reference to the wizard of that name who gave him his powers). As for the Marvel Comics version: most fanboys call him Mar-Vell to distinguish him from the DC/Fawcett version these days. (And to FURTHER confuse the matter, Marvel's "Captain Marvel" *also* refers to OTHER heroes/heroines -- such as Genis-Vell and Phy-Vell and Photon/Monica Rambeau -- with the name becoming more of a generic title now than an actual singular character.)

This is even more to my point. Such an apparent splitting of a character's identity to the consumer public erodes it's effectiveness. This is exactly what would happen if you split Zilla off of Toho. Toho is still running Godzilla as a brand, and it still has some value and following.
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NERD-EDIT: Also, The Shadow isn't a DC character.

Where did I say The Shadow was a DC character?
I find it funny you would assume that, especially because DC did in fact print a comic book of The Shadow in the 70s and 80s (which I do happen to have a few of). That property was another that originated elsewhere and DC made use of - although I'm not clear on who exactly owns the rights now or did even then. Read about it a bit more here.
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 		Re: Something I noticed
Please dont go off topic again IM NOT A STUPID TROLL
1-18-08 SLUSHOMAKESUHAPPY wrote:
U people hate me because i said I got an email from someone who claimed to be apart of bad robot and wanted me to give some info. Then when I make a joke about Invader Zim I am a troll. WTF B.S.

Anyway moving on, i want to point to something. Even though its been pretty much confirmed the thing is original(we still don't know even though the producer guy, not jj abrams, said it was original which I still doubt is true) ZILLA(American Godzilla)(Ps please i love em) has a lot of things pointing to him. Like these videos

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KJs9NqlbEyw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PjMB2pTj5r8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GITAxntNVN4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=P9nmtBCaRgU (WATCH THIS ONE)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-HQ-YFQ1hD8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bp67uGf9OjA

and this weird commercial that came out 9 years after the movie
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ndFZ9lzCvsE

Another thing I noticed. IM WATCHING THE MOVIE ON TV RIGHT NOW!!!!
Weird when they are just now showing cloverfield tv spots.
Anyway I think its a remake
BRIDGE COLLAPSING ANYONE?

Godzilla may not be able to be made in 2013, but ZILLA has his own rights. Interviews state the monster as being the american answer to godzilla, zilla is our answer. I don't want this thread to go off topic please. Thanks





Edit - please do not quote images - images removed - MikeyJ

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 		Re: DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Euchre wrote:
brettoniasam wrote:
erg...

I hate to jump into a comic-book nerd fray, but I can't resist....

Euchre, I like ya and all that, but Hurley's spot on about Cap Marvel -- you don't have your facts straight about The Big Red Cheese. Captain Marvel is, and always has been, a FAWCETT character, from back in the 40s, long before Marvel Comics ever introduced their namesake in the late 60s. When DC bought Fawcett, they inherited Captain Marvel who instantly got kinda shoved into Superman's shadow (what DC character *doesn't* live in the shadow of Supes and Bats, and maybe Wonder Woman...??). In the early 70s, with TWO completely unrelated Captain Marvels vying for the stage, DC gamely/lamely started referring to *their* character (the Fawcett one) as "Shazam!" to try to maintain a separate identity from the Marvel Comics version.

Again, you didn't follow my point. Fawcett created the original character, at about the same time this thing called Marvel Comics was being created. Confusion could not have helped at all. Later when DC bought the rights, the confusion didn't get any better. You folks seem to be mad at me because DC chose to try to rename the character to shed his 'Marvelesque' identity. I don't pose that his name was ever supposed to be that, and I remember in the 80s (when I was getting DC comics for free for a while) DC still insisted on calling him Shazam.
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But "Shazam!" is NOT the big red guy's name -- never has been. It's the word Billy Batson uses to transform into Captain Marvel (a reference to the wizard of that name who gave him his powers). As for the Marvel Comics version: most fanboys call him Mar-Vell to distinguish him from the DC/Fawcett version these days. (And to FURTHER confuse the matter, Marvel's "Captain Marvel" *also* refers to OTHER heroes/heroines -- such as Genis-Vell and Phy-Vell and Photon/Monica Rambeau -- with the name becoming more of a generic title now than an actual singular character.)

This is even more to my point. Such an apparent splitting of a character's identity to the consumer public erodes it's effectiveness. This is exactly what would happen if you split Zilla off of Toho. Toho is still running Godzilla as a brand, and it still has some value and following.
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NERD-EDIT: Also, The Shadow isn't a DC character.

Where did I say The Shadow was a DC character?
I find it funny you would assume that, especially because DC did in fact print a comic book of The Shadow in the 70s and 80s (which I do happen to have a few of). That property was another that originated elsewhere and DC made use of - although I'm not clear on who exactly owns the rights now or did even then. Read about it a bit more here.


Dude...

....you get DC Comics FOR FREE???
...I stand in awe. Wink

But semi-seriously and somewhat back on-topic: yeah, I understand what you were saying about trying to create an analogy between the way DC (mis)handles their properties and Toho's handling of Zilla.

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