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TimonyCrickets
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Evidently there is another site out there that has a count down:

www.takebackthefuture.com

The count down happens to be about the same amount of time as the video says they can see into the future... interesting?

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A_champion
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Viral...for what?

I have just e-mailed them, to see if i could find any more information.

When i look at the site, all i can think of is the womens name, Anna Kies
which to me sounds like anarchy.

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oooh, I was playing cursor 10 and I was hoping for an arg version.

I emailed them and suggested to use it on humans.

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lestat5891work wrote:
Done. We'll see what happens. I used the example of a tree. I said to take a photo of the tree, and let's say the image recieved is a grown tree... instead of allowing the tree to grow, destroy it. But only if the image you recieved showed a grown tree. If the image shows nothing there, ensure that the tree grows.

Except now you realize that with the suggestion out there, it may very well end up that the result will end up the same as the photo... if it's empty, and they need to make a tree grow, someone could now very well go and cut the tree down again before the future snapshot, thus proving the photo... or if it's there, and they cut the tree down, someone could easily plant a new one or transplant one just in time for the shot, again proving the photo...

ah I love paradoxes and models of time travel... Razz now of course, if time isn't linear, and there are infinite branches, then one could in theory photograph a future that would never happen if someone were to change it... but if it is linear, and whatever you see will happen, then paradoxes can't exist, because otherwise events that had already played out shouldn't have happened as they did. Smile

Take for example the idea of killing your parents before you were born... if you were born, in a linear time model, you didn't go back and kill your parents. Nothing will allow you to now go back in time and successfully accomplish that because it's already been demonstrated that you didn't (which consequently is why it's a paradox - if somehow you were able to 'break' what's already happened, then what would happen to the universe? Razz)

If you see the future, and it's an empty lot, then you go and plant a tree, then you know (assuming a single linear time) that something happens and events will play out in such a way as to cause the lot to be empty again at the point the future picture was taken. There's just no way around it. You might say, well, you'd go and watch the lot until it's chrono-photographed to ensure the lot remains empty, but then I'd say (recognizing that's a proposed set of events) that the photo could not possibly then have shown an empty lot. The two just can't coexist in a single static timeline.
That is: the set of events that give you an empty lot photo and prompt you to ensure the lot isn't empty cannot exist in a single static timeline model.

Too much thinking for the morning... but fun!
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I can't believe that some one with a item that can take photos of the future has not taken it down the local bookies! I know I would.
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TimonyCrickets
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Ok not to get stuck on the takebackthefuture.com thing but if you google the words:

"take back the future"

you will see an adsense ad at the top of the page which advertises the website and says something like:

"Are Those Robot Eyes? 01.14.08"

"Did You See The Red Eyes? 01.14.08"

"Take Back The Future 01.14.08"

The date associated with these ads also seems to be the same day on which the counter will reach 1191... the same amount of time that the enitech camera can see.

Not to mention the fact that takebackthefuture.com is a Fox venture... coincidence? I think not Wink

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ahh.. so, by extension, we can assume that the camera will see something that happens that's key to the Sarah Connor Chronicles series - even if it means that the series actually takes place 1191 days in the future... perhaps enitech develops a tachyon video camera and records the entire show all the events happening over 3 years from now Razz
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Tachyon TIVO!
I wonder... Will it include the commercials?
Looks like my ship's finally come in!
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I haven't played anything in over a year. I will keep an eye on this one.
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For what it's worth, the images you see in the TBTF site of the odd thing are from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae06LFa3i38 . It's really neat what they can do. I know for a fact THAT is real... I saw it in the news like a year ago.

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lol, they're using outdated science...

As a big quantum physics nerd I can tell you that tachyons were a theoretical partcle concieved in an older theory trying to unify physics, but the theory was discarded because tachyons were mandated to go beyond the speed of light, which science no longer can accept as a possibility. Lots of tests and experiments have already been conducted about them and disproven.

Sorry, just had to put my two cents in Embarassed Probably has nothing to do with this at all. But the people running this thing don't have the best grasp of quantum mechanics.
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feriwiccan wrote:
...to go beyond the speed of light, which science no longer can accept as a possibility.

Sorry, just had to put my two cents in Embarassed Probably has nothing to do with this at all. But the people running this thing don't have the best grasp of quantum mechanics.


but the speed of light is just that. the speed of light. The universe is far too big to conclude all possibilities based on what we've discovered on earth. Perhaps there are particles in space that travel twelve times the speed of light but look like bananas. there's no possible way to know that, and it's a bit big headed to conclude that what we know now is all we will ever know.

that having said, it's called science fiction, and i will leave it at just that

If you didn't notice, i put in my two cents worth in the styles of bold and italics, corresponding to the bold and italics in the quote. Foily!
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thebruce, but that's the beauty of it!!! let's take my tree example. take a picture of a sapling and you get a picture of a empty bit of ground. Place armed guards (and I know a corporation can spend the cash to either hire armed security or buy the land and fence it in to guard a tree.) or superprotect the tree.


Basically what I'm saying is that we should find out if it's the future we're looking into, or another dimension the future is set in stone, or if it's constantly changing, based on the actions of those around us.

Granted, it's fiction, but it would be interesting to see the tachyon photo showing the tree gone, but Enitech guards the tree like the prez and then take another picture of the tree with their intent to ensure it's safe and long term development, and the second tachyon picture reveals a healthy tree with guards standing about it.

And if the picture shows a tree, simply cut it down on the 1,190th day.

I think the company is hinting at the fact that it's possible to change the future, at least in this bit of science fiction.

Anywho, does anyone have a transcription of the video? He mentioned something about slashdot and i didn't clearly hear what else.
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Quote:
...to go beyond the speed of light, which scientists no longer can accept as a possibility.

note the correction Wink
scientists can and have been wrong (regardless of how many or how intelligent) - the claim is not a disprovable one, that nothing can travel faster than light; empirically, all that can be shown in this case is that every attempt (or theory based on current knowledge and speculation) to travel faster than light has failed - not that it's an impossibility. I'm not saying it is possible, by the same merit, but again that's why this is sci-fi Smile using a theory that hasn't been or can't be disproven, and running wild with it =P

Theoretical physics is fun, because by its nature, it has to assume complete knowledge hasn't been reached. All it ever takes is one 'exception' to cause theories to change, especially if it's completely unforseen.

But thanks for the heads up on tachyons... just did some quick googling for recent articles and such on tachyons, and it seems that their existence is still debated, at best. Some say they can't exist, some say they could exist in theory...
science at its best Smile
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lestat5891work wrote:
thebruce, but that's the beauty of it!!!

yes, yes it is Smile
In the context of finding out if time is static and linear rather than 'changeable', I would agree it would be interesting to know...
So as a matter of perspective -
* Assuming time is static, then a picture one way or the other must come true - meaning something will happen if you decide to 'change' the future, to fulfill what was 'forseen'.
* Assuming time is dynamic, then a picture one way or the other essentially becomes meaningless except as a means to evaluate, or bring to light, what may come to pass given the current state of things.
Interestingly enough, in that case, I'd say a single snapshot would remain as is even after one decides to change the future, but a 'live' view of the same scene would and must change once a person's mind is made up to change the future (assuming they do succeed). That means that if it's possible to change the future, and any fore-knowledge can only be based, at the time of (or during) its viewing, on the outcome given the events at that moment (how, otherwise, would 'nature' choose what to show us, except by the currently destined future?), then as soon as one sees the future, their decisions have been altered by a new factor, and the image (live only, since static is past and no longer a current view of the future) would have to adjust accordingly.
So given Enitech's camera takes snapshots, not live feeds, then it would be a valid means for determining if time is static or dynamic.
* If a picture's image matches at the time it snapped, and there was nothing you could do to change it, then time is static. (consequently, in this case a dynamic timeline isn't ruled out - one can't prove an impossibility, that it wouldn't be possible in any way to change the result; it just so happened that the result of the actions taken ended up the same as the original photo)
* If it doesn't match, given effort to ensure it doesn't match, time is dynamic and changeable. (consequently, if time were static given this case, then the picture would have always been of the alternate result, meaning you wouldn't have changed the future, meaning the picture wouldn't have changed, and so on - a paradox - but only because both models are in play, which wouldn't be possible)
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