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Rekidk
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thebruce wrote:
Take for example the idea of killing your parents before you were born... if you were born, in a linear time model, you didn't go back and kill your parents. Nothing will allow you to now go back in time and successfully accomplish that because it's already been demonstrated that you didn't (which consequently is why it's a paradox - if somehow you were able to 'break' what's already happened, then what would happen to the universe? Razz)


Back to the Future FTW! Smile

Personally, I'm more a fan of the multiple-possible-timelines thing in stories, because otherwise there's this predestination thing going on and that's just depressing.
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jlr1001
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 		Our Possible Next Step... (Assuming This Is A Game).
Anna seems to be giving us a "clue", if you will. The researchers show us three photo examples. On the first two they seem to breeze through the visual differences... Since those differences are their only proof that their machine is doing anything, their blase presentation rings odd...

However, on the third picture Anna says that she wants to call particular attention to the building that appears 3.26 years in the future. The fact that this change is the most dramatic that they show, why do they have to draw our attention to it...? I mean, we're not going to miss a friggin' building suddenly appearing.

Anna also stresses that this is a vacant lot in San Francisco...

So, assuming that there's something more for us to do, I think we need to suggest that they take further pictures of the last vacant lot/building. Perhaps a series of images of this building will yield something "interesting".

My 2 cents...



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 		thebruce: Well the past is definatley concrete. That's for sure. But always remember that the present has major effects on the future. I think the snapshot is a "this is what will happen if things continue on, oblivious to what was seen" kind of deal.


And as for the building, can anyone with photoshop clear it up a little? Maybe we can see some logos?

The lady in the team boasts about being able to clean up the images.


What about a long exposure? Will that work like in a normal photo? In theory it would, wouldn't it? Someone send them a mail and ask them to do a 5 or so minute exposure.
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 		[UPDATE] NEW BLOG (I made it into the site!!!)
My two suggestions about taking a picture of the readout, and the one about the tree were there. I'm going to email them my last email.
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jlr1001
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 		Okay I just left a comment asking them to take further pictures of the last building. I also suggested the long exposure image.

We'll see what happens...



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 		By the way, I'm Glenn Smile
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Rekidk wrote:
thebruce wrote:
Take for example the idea of killing your parents before you were born... if you were born, in a linear time model, you didn't go back and kill your parents. Nothing will allow you to now go back in time and successfully accomplish that because it's already been demonstrated that you didn't (which consequently is why it's a paradox - if somehow you were able to 'break' what's already happened, then what would happen to the universe? Razz)


Back to the Future FTW! Smile

Personally, I'm more a fan of the multiple-possible-timelines thing in stories, because otherwise there's this predestination thing going on and that's just depressing.


Exactly. I subscribe to the "Robert Heinlein Theory of Time-Travel" as described in his book "The Number Of The Beast", wherein he concludes that, at the point where history is changed by a time-traveler (a person killed that affects the future, etc) a new branch in time is created at that point, which doesn't affect the traveler's own personal time-line. While each time-line is "visitable" one cannot "live" in that time-line due to eventually running into "yourself". This eliminates the possibility of paradox.

Of course, you gotta wonder, given this theory, if a traveler *could* live in that time-line if he/she would have eliminated his/her own creation by removing parents/grandparents...

The cool aspect of Heinlein's theory is that, along with time branches, any book ever written had it's own time-line as well - Oz, Narnia, Wonderland... now how fun would THAT be!

Ok, head hurts now.
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 		I got a response...
I emailed this yesterday, just trying to see if they would reply or give me any new info, this iswhat i said:

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Hi,
my name is alex, and im very intrested in your project, i am doing an article for our school newspaper.
I wanted to ask if it would be possible to use the images on your site, and publish them in the paper, i would like to ask a few questions as well, if you dont mind or arn't too busy.

Firstly:

1. Would it be possible to see yourself using the camera?

2.What does it mean by this comment in your fAQ? - Q: Hey, does your company name sound a bit familiar?
A: Let's just say it's our homage. And it's a helpful reminder of what we want to avoid in our work environment.

3.what are the impacts of your project on the world around us?

I hope i havent taken up too much of your time, as you are no doubt busy.

Thanks

alex.


I then got a reply back today saying:

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Hey Alex, thanks for your interest. You're welcome to use any images you like from our site.
1. A: We think so, but only if you stood in the right place at the right time.
2. A: That comment is a reference to the film "Office Space" which has a fictional company named Innitech.
3. A: We're not sure yet.

We recommend that you research Dr. Bentley's former company "Cyberdyne Systems" before you proceed any further with your article.
Thanks!


So they asked me to research cyberdyne, im guessing this was so that if i was being serious i would hopefully make the connection that this wasnt real! lol.

But hey, at least i got a response!

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petunia
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1. A: We think so, but only if you stood in the right place at the right time.


That's what I figured... so you can't neatly predict one person's future that way. Sad Although if you took a picture of somebody who's been in a coma for years, or somebody else whose location is unlikely to change (like that kid in Lorenzo's Oil maybe), you might get something interesting. On a more morbid than paranormal note, what if you photographed a cemetery?

Another possibility is to take a picture of someplace that is normally full of people, like a street corner in NYC or something. You probly wouldn't see any of the same people, but it could be fun to look for general changes, i.e. style of dress and such (do the bums look generally better or worse off?).

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 		in theory all you'd need to do would be to take a picture anywhere, and just be sure to be there wen the future photo would be snapped. If you see yourself, then you were able to make it, and if not - either you didn't make it, or you didn't make it Wink

It's not about taking a picture of yourself now - the camera doesn't know what it's looking at, all it knows is where it took the picture, so don't point it to yourself (unless you stand in the camera's view vicinity 1191 days in the future). Anywhere will work.
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 		I emailed them asking them to take a picture of Variety magazine so they can see if the movie/TV show they are promoting becomes successful.

I wonder why I haven't got a reply yet??
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 		heh cheeky Wink

but for discussions' sake, that technically wouldn't work... the photos again are locaton specific. A magazine itself wouldn't change, even if you left it there 1191 days. What you might rather do is take a picture of a place the magazine is regularly distributed from, to see what the cover of magazines placed there in the future might look like...
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 		oh I get it now thebruce, for example if im inside my house and I took a picture of myself and the picture shows the inside of a mall without me, then in the future my house got demolished and a mall replaced it.

its not the actual objects itself but the view of the camera, am I making sense?

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felonious priest
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 		I didnt see this being posted but in the page source for
www.takebackthefuture.com, i found this link

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
http://www.fox.com/includes/s_code_remote.js

dont know if its related...what do ya think
again if posted already....my bad lol

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 		Well, if we are supposed to find out more about Cyberdyne Systems. I'm not having any luck with anything that isn't garbage. Any of you have better luck?
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