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SOLVED: First Contact - Caretaker Email
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Yeah I tried adding the values of the two strings together to see if they made a single new alphabet string....nope

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:51 pm
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zounds
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Email to:

What have people been getting in the 'to:' field on the email?

I got, from: t. jones [caretaker@blackvault.com]

to: peter.bienstmanSPLATugent.be

could be just that the auto responder (or someone by hand!) is just managing to screw up the 'to:' field? and Peter is probably another player - I noticed the mail someone else posted had [caretaker@blackvault.com] in both to: and from: fields.

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Re: First Contact

Sin Vraal wrote:

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- y"&,@l%\v;>!f)q$}i*t+#^/b -
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- a?=s^-_\@d#&,o(._%g*@:"/c -
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Does anyone else think the five hyphens on the left have meaning? Perhaps the message is only hidden in lines 2 and 4 with the rest just scrambled eggs to add confusion to the hackers of the Government?
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Re: Email to:

zounds wrote:
What have people been getting in the 'to:' field on the email?

I got, from: t. jones [caretaker@blackvault.com]

to: peter.bienstmanSPLATugent.be

could be just that the auto responder (or someone by hand!) is just managing to screw up the 'to:' field? and Peter is probably another player - I noticed the mail someone else posted had [caretaker@blackvault.com] in both to: and from: fields.


No I got the same thing in the to field. Do we want to ping? Could it be the code on the bottom is a red herring?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:40 pm
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The e-mail on mine is from "t jones" and to "caretaker@blackvault.com"

Huh.

Anyway, I did analysis on the puzzle and this is what I came up with:

The index of coincidence on the block of text is .386. The index for letters randomly generated equals .385. So, it's unlikely that this is a substitution cipher, but rather randomly generated.

I also tried ASCII shift on the bottom code, but it didn't work out to anything.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:52 pm
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I posted this in another thread also, but...

I just googled the email address and name and got a couple of not in-game hits. Looks like he's a researcher at a belgium uni and is into interactive fiction and adventure games. Are you here Peter?
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natehawthorne2002
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Double letters

Hey guys, it'm me Wo. Just thought I'd let you know that while double letters in the string may pop out, doubles appear 3.84% of the time. Completely random, basically, so I'd drop lines of thought regarding that. Personally, I advocate looking for a message solely in the symbols at the bottom, using the number 625 (5^4, yeh know!) as some sort of key. But what do I know?

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Re: Double letters

natehawthorne2002 wrote:
Hey guys, it'm me Wo. Just thought I'd let you know that while double letters in the string may pop out, doubles appear 3.84% of the time. Completely random, basically, so I'd drop lines of thought regarding that. Personally, I advocate looking for a message solely in the symbols at the bottom, using the number 625 (5^4, yeh know!) as some sort of key. But what do I know?

Mootwo

I'm inclined to agree. The stuff at the bottom is clearly set aside from the code at the top. While it could very well be the key, i doubt it.. it's in an entirely different format. I personally doubt the acheron folk would gave us the same kind of puzzle again anyways.. i think the stuff at the top is just to mislead us.. just random garbage.

The stuff at the bottom might not even be code.. it might just represent something or link to something else. We have a lot of other sources here, lots of things that we have yet to figure out. Maybe the bottom corresponds to the login.html? Or another site? I think we need to consider those avenues. That last puzzle involved decryption.. this one might be entirely different.

Just some things to consider.
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I opened up the login.html, left the login field blank, and entered the characters at the bottom of the earn.txt (both fields combined, 50 characters: y"&,@l%\v;>!f)q$}i*t+#^/ba?=s^-_\@d#&,o(._%g*@:"/c).

I tired three separate times, consecutively, and ended up at cfrg.us each time. I thought i was onto something, but on the 4th try i ended up elsewhere.

Then i tried the name "caretaker@blackvault.com" and used the same password.. I ended up at cfrg.us twice in a row. On the third try, it went to a different site.

Granted, this could have been random.. but could it have possibly meant something?

I also tried using the bottom text and the long string at the top, using each as password and as login.. no luck. Did the same thing for the login at CFRG.us ..no go. Also tried at coyotedispatch. Still.. nothing.

From the way i see it, we've got two routes to solving this: Either the text at the bottom is the key for the garbage at the top.. coordinates (x,y, etc) for putting the code (when in a grid) in order and then decrypting it.. or else the stuff at the top is useless and the bottom is not code, but something we need to use elsewhere.

So, i suppose those good at cracking code try the decryption route. Use that grid we made up above and the stuff at the bottom, after converted to numbers (ASCII), used as a grid key.

And those of us who lack these sorts of skills look elsewhere. Because there's a lot more to look at. We can't underestimate this game.

Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:04 am
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Guys and Gals...

Something occured to me..

Why not take the numbers that bottom have that we converted from Ascii symbols to numbers and use them as the key to look for letters int the grid and see if we get anything out of it... WHO KNOWs could word.

What I mean is since the numbers dont repeat, count the letters from top top bottom and stop at each number that is represented by the ascii key.

and see if that gets us any where..

I am at work so I cant do it, but will give it a try. Also lets try counting how many E's there cus "E" is the most letter used in the alphabet.

Also has any one tried just simple letter shifting..
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Bright Idea[r]s

I was thinking of that just last night...

I thought ASCII code for the first (top) character as an "x" coordinate, and the ASCII code for the second (bottom) character as a "y" coordinate to look through the 25x25 grid for letters.

If not ASCII then maybe something else - it's definitely plausible as a solve, even if not correct in this case...

See ya after work.

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Re: Bright Idea[r]s

Sin Vraal wrote:
I was thinking of that just last night...

I thought ASCII code for the first (top) character as an "x" coordinate, and the ASCII code for the second (bottom) character as a "y" coordinate to look through the 25x25 grid for letters.

If not ASCII then maybe something else - it's definitely plausible as a solve, even if not correct in this case...

See ya after work.

-sv


We talked about this at length last night in #acheron, because I tried a several variations of this idea yesterday. I took each ASCII code as a coordinate, and tried each as an (x,y) and (y,x) combination. Neither way yielded anything that looked valuable, although it's possible that what I got might need to be further converted by some other means. If you'd like I can post my results once I get home from work...

I did not try these other specific ideas though. So it sounds like we have several options here:

1. My idea -> Convert each character in the bottom part to ASCII, and use it as a coordinate: tried with (seemingly) no luck
2. Sin_Vraal's idea -> Convert each character in the bottom part to ASCII, using the top characters as "x" coordinates and bottom characters as "y" coordinates: untried so far
3. ramiles' idea -> Convert each character in the bottom part to ASCII, using each code as an index in a linear character array, rather than a grid: untried so far

My question Vraal: how do we treat *each* ASCII code as part of a coordinate? For example, if we have ASCII codes of 123 and 34, how do those combine to form one coordinate?

Anyone not at work wanna try out #2 and #3 so we can keep the train rolling here?
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Re: Bright Idea[r]s

dishboy wrote:
3. ramiles' idea -> Convert each character in the bottom part to ASCII, using each code as an index in a linear character array, rather than a grid: untried so far


It would be quite unnecessary to include 625 characters in this case, since ASCII doesn't go any higher than 255. I guess it could be there to confuse us, but after trying the method out I don't think it's very likely. Anyway, here's what I got from using this method, if anyone would like to analyse it further.

y"&,@l%\v;>!f)q$}i*t+#^/b = UQUBKDUSHVHYWCMGWPRKTRYWG
a?=s^-_\@d#&,o(._%g*@:"/c = ATQEYVDSKCRUBXOIDUDRKVQWW

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here an excel sheet with the Ascii, hex, oct, and bin equivalents for each symbol.

I have worked it a few ways and so far nothing. I tried ad and subtracting the two rows and I got nothing from that either.
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teeman11 wrote:
here an excel sheet with the Ascii, hex, oct, and bin equivalents for each symbol.

I have worked it a few ways and so far nothing. I tried ad and subtracting the two rows and I got nothing from that either.

this doesn't seem to work on my computer...most of the columns have #'s in them instead of data...maybe it's my computer.

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