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rose
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The review is dead-on, and if you're not an UnFiction nerd/geek, then the so-called "hype" surrounding the film is virtually unheard of.


I think the "review" is a list of things he could think of that "might" be problems with the film. Everything he says is speculation about what could be a problem. This is nothing more than his opinion based on the way things used to be done or should be done as he sees them. He hasn't even seen the movie, so he is thinking of reasons why it might not work.

I'm not sure that the hype is unheard of - most stories about this movie mention it - so the idea that this film had an online presence is fairly well publicized. I suppose only people interested in the film would read about it, but clearly many advertising, marketing and media people are interested in that hype and in seeing how it translates into box office success.

edit to add - come guys, let's play nice. Variety of opinion is a good thing (and vital to the success of the community) Can we please try to express them without making personal attacks? Thanks so much. Smile
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rose wrote:
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The review is dead-on, and if you're not an UnFiction nerd/geek, then the so-called "hype" surrounding the film is virtually unheard of.


I think the "review" is a list of things he could think of that "might" be problems with the film. Everything he says is speculation about what could be a problem. This is nothing more than his opinion based on the way things used to be done or should be done as he sees them. He hasn't even seen the movie, so he is thinking of reasons why it might not work.

I'm not sure that the hype is unheard of - most stories about this movie mention it - so the idea that this film had an online presence is fairly well publicized. I suppose only people interested in the film would read about it, but clearly many advertising, marketing and media people are interested in that hype and in seeing how it translates into box office success.


I'm with you Rose, and as always, you make a point that is valid and on-point. I was referring more to the UnFiction hype surrounding the movie. Believe me, I hope the movie is successful, and I'll be one of the first ones waiting in line to see it because I want to see a kick-ass monster movie. I just think the level of UnFiction-disappointment to the "ARG v. Movie" types is completely unjustified and downright stupid.
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 		I think, the movie (like every movie) has so many perspectives as many spectators seeing this movie. So, of course, the spectators of "Cloverfield" would be polarized: the normal cinema visitors and the ARG player. For that groups the movie will be very different.

So even if the ARG staff isn't mentioned in the movies universe, it belongs to the movie. (I won't be disappoited, if Slusho and Tagruato etc, would be absent in the movie, it's just one perspective of the complex world). Like Silmarillion wasn't mentioned in "The Hobbit". But it belongs to the same world as "The Hobbit" and LOTR-trilogy. People, who at first read "Silmarillion", would recognize a lot of things in LOTR, like: figures cross a forgotten road in the forrest. For unprepared reader it's just a road. For prepared reader it was the old trade road, which was abandone in ***-era because of the war of *** with *** etc. etc.

So I also wouldn't attack neither Cloverfieldean ARG player nor people, who doesn't know anything about ARG story.

They are just various perspectives. Like in "Rashomon".

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 		ground-breaking ring any bells?
kosmopol wrote:
I think, the movie (like every movie) has so many perspectives as many spectators seeing this movie. So, of course, the spectators of "Cloverfield" would be polarized: the normal cinema visitors and the ARG player. For that groups the movie will be very different.

So even if the ARG staff isn't mentioned in the movies universe, it belongs to the movie. (I won't be disappoited, if Slusho and Tagruato etc, would be absent in the movie, it's just one perspective of the complex world). Like Silmarillion wasn't mentioned in "The Hobbit". But it belongs to the same world as "The Hobbit" and LOTR-trilogy. People, who at first read "Silmarillion", would recognize a lot of things in LOTR, like: figures cross a forgotten road in the forrest. For unprepared reader it's just a road. For prepared reader it was the old trade road, which was abandone in ***-era because of the war of *** with *** etc. etc.

So I also wouldn't attack neither Cloverfieldean ARG player nor people, who doesn't know anything about ARG story.

They are just various perspectives. Like in "Rashomon".


The contradictions that you all are talking about are all mostly "ground-breaking" films; I whole heartledly feel that Cloverfield will be one of those films. I don't consider myself a "sci-fi" geek {does watching the Sat. night horror Sci-Fi Films count?}, I am a lover of cinema and clue hunting. Not dissing on anyone except the haters. Let people be excited and stop being such a wet blanket.

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seriously whats your problem
just because youre not into the same stuff were into doesnt mean you should shit on us
how old are you like 13?
because youre fucking acting like it you god damn prick

No, Helo isnt 13, he is an accomplished firefighter in SoCal, if i remember correctly, and if you are a regular on his website/blog http://www.drumwaster.com/, you would realize that normally he makes a good point.

Now, Helo, i think that your assessment of the sterio type here at UnFiction is right on. Most of the people here fit the "geek" sterio type. Also until you made your post, i didnt realize how stupid the terms DSI and SBN really seem to the non-cloverfield follower.

But does the non-cloverfield follower know about DSI and SBN? No, because all they see is a 30 second tv spot full of action packed sequences and a 2 minute trailer(s) at apple.com/trailers. They see the teaser and wonder WTF just happened to the SoL's head.

Yeah, you make a point by degrading the majority here to prove your point and insight rivalry, and dont get it twisted, im not yelling back, because as a 20 something girl in NYC who plays hockey, baseball, and is slightly giddy from a few of her beverages, i dont fit your sterio type, and as im sure there is a slight minority that is just like me.(wow, sorry for the runon sentence) I just havent seen any point what-so-ever that could even slightly prove to me that this is going to fail, and dont give me this its coming out in JAN. BS.

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 		quit hating
noimagirlrlly wrote:
Random_kid wrote:
seriously whats your problem
just because youre not into the same stuff were into doesnt mean you should shit on us
how old are you like 13?
because youre fucking acting like it you god damn prick

No, Helo isnt 13, he is an accomplished firefighter in SoCal, if i remember correctly, and if you are a regular on his website/blog http://www.drumwaster.com/, you would realize that normally he makes a good point.

Now, Helo, i think that your assessment of the sterio type here at UnFiction is right on. Most of the people here fit the "geek" sterio type. Also until you made your post, i didnt realize how stupid the terms DSI and SBN really seem to the non-cloverfield follower.

But does the non-cloverfield follower know about DSI and SBN? No, because all they see is a 30 second tv spot full of action packed sequences and a 2 minute trailer(s) at apple.com/trailers. They see the teaser and wonder WTF just happened to the SoL's head.

Yeah, you make a point by degrading the majority here to prove your point and insight rivalry, and dont get it twisted, im not yelling back, because as a 20 something girl in NYC who plays hockey, baseball, and is slightly giddy from a few of her beverages, i dont fit your sterio type, and as im sure there is a slight minority that is just like me.(wow, sorry for the runon sentence) I just havent seen any point what-so-ever that could even slightly prove to me that this is going to fail, and dont give me this its coming out in JAN. BS.



If you too know each other, call each other and hate on people that way. Childish the way you do.

Not a Sci-fi person either, but, majority rules here and I do believe that this is that Type of forum. What are you doing here? Wipe your feet before stepping into someone else's home.

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 		ok, I'm not commenting on the (explitive delete) holes who have posted (explitive delete) in here (and (explitive delete), don't even think about editing this), but the NY reporter sounds like a giant (explitive delete) bag, I don't consider myself a "cyber nerd", I don't give a (explitive delete) about star trek or star wars, I was just intrigued as (explitive delete) by the trailer therefore I have followed the bandwagon the whole time, but seriously, this ny reporter sounds like a (explitive delete) wad!! I think I'm going to send him an email and prove to him he has no (explitive delete) clue was he's talking about.

end rant.

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 		PUBLIC MESSAGE TO COLE
Please refrain from insulting language - and you don't tell a valued forum member & uF moderator what she should or should not do.

It's been mentioned many times before, and I'm purposefully doing this publically (instead of in one of the many PMs you've been sent before about your demeanor in here): You are a GUEST in this house. Our TOS is simple. Be considerate in your posting or you will be asked to leave.

Thank you.
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rose wrote:

I think the "review" is a list of things he could think of that "might" be problems with the film. Everything he says is speculation about what could be a problem.


Yup, that's all it is and all it's meant to be, it's a lazy filler article, it's not intended to be a balanced look at the film.
Not worth getting worked up about in my opinion.

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 		Re: PUBLIC MESSAGE TO COLE
konamouse wrote:
Please refrain from insulting language - and you don't tell a valued forum member & uF moderator what she should or should not do.

It's been mentioned many times before, and I'm purposefully doing this publically (instead of in one of the many PMs you've been sent before about your demeanor in here): You are a GUEST in this house. Our TOS is simple. Be considerate in your posting or you will be asked to leave.

Thank you.


(((ok, I'm not commenting on the (explitive delete) holes who have posted (explitive delete) in here (and (explitive delete), don't even think about editing this), but the NY reporter sounds like a giant (explitive delete) bag, I don't consider myself a "cyber nerd", I don't give a (explitive delete) about star trek or star wars, I was just intrigued as (explitive delete) by the trailer therefore I have followed the bandwagon the whole time, but seriously, this ny reporter sounds like a (explitive delete) wad!! I think I'm going to send him an email and prove to him he has no (explitive delete) clue was he's talking about.)))


happy now?

I love how your singling me out, there's a lot of other members in here chewing down others a lot worse than I have!! And frankly I don't care about opening this in the forums but I found rose pulling my image off in the other thread was pretty un called for, there was nothing wrong with that image and in case you didn't notice, the folks who commented below about the image found it rather humorous! It was a "comedic" insult to the person who created that thread!

Thank you!! Smile

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 		This thread is full of shame. Much like the reporter.
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But does the non-cloverfield follower know about DSI and SBN? No, because all they see is a 30 second tv spot full of action packed sequences and a 2 minute trailer(s) at apple.com/trailers. They see the teaser and wonder WTF just happened to the SoL's head.

Yeah, you make a point by degrading the majority here to prove your point and insight rivalry, and dont get it twisted, im not yelling back, because as a 20 something girl in NYC who plays hockey, baseball, and is slightly giddy from a few of her beverages, i dont fit your sterio type, and as im sure there is a slight minority that is just like me.(wow, sorry for the runon sentence) I just havent seen any point what-so-ever that could even slightly prove to me that this is going to fail, and dont give me this its coming out in JAN. BS.


Exactly, I'm right there with you! I think the problem is that some people are kicking the messenger down a pit a la The 300. The writer of the article on The Post was saying that it's [potentially] a kick-ass monster movie that could suffer from a lack of traditional marketing as well as an unknown cast.

I want to see Cloverfield succeed, and as I've said a million times, I'll be the first one in line and I'm tempted to call in sick just so I can see it.

What absolutely sucks, and too many people are guilty of this one the forum, is that they're knocking the movie because it doesn't fall in-step with the ARG (and to this day I do not believe it's an ARG - I think the production company setup a viral marketing campaign and decided to have some fun).

If you run a Google search, you'll see UnFiction related to 1-18-08 all over the place, and linked to Cloverfield as well through the wonderful advent of the Google search engine. Again, it's unfortunate that when people go for reviews after they see Cloverfield on the Drudge Report is that they'll come across a ton of nerd rage directed as JJ Abrams because the movie and the ARG/ARE/Viral Marketing/Website Wet Dream are not related.

So, in closing, go see the movie and have a great time. The profits from the movie will probably take an initial hit because it has an unknown cast, it lacked a marketing budget and proper marketing, and it's coming out in January, but I'll be the first to eat crow if that isn't true.

But for the sake of the rest of us in the world of sunlight and fresh air, stop attacking anything and everything not related to the status quo of UnFiction. It really sucks.
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Should the movie take place in May


I can expect the ARG to continue until then.

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Maybe the DVD comes out May 22-23?


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 		[quote="Helo"]
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The review is dead-on, and if you're not an UnFiction nerd/geek, then the so-called "hype" surrounding the film is virtually unheard of.

To most normal people, it's just a cool trailer for what will hopefully be a cool movie.

To the UnFiction nerds and geeks, it's turned into a lifestyle. It's almost like this forum is a gathering for the throwaways of the nerd lifestyle.

Have you heard what a fit of nerd rage you guys throw when you heard that some of your obsessions might not be in the movie? And these are really dumb things too, such as:

- The date. The release date was 1-18-08. No where did it ever say that it was going to happen on 1-18-08. You guys just found some pictures and got your tighty-whities in a bunch.
- Slusho. I hate to tell you this, but the name is stupid, and Abrams sticks it in his movies just for fun. Slusho isn't mentioned, and it won't be. If a movie revolved around someone turning into a monster because they drank "Slusho," then the movie deserves to die a flaming death. Seriously, Slusho? Drinking something and then turning into a monster?
- SBN... or "Sea Bed Nectar." Once again, put down the video game controller and listen to your dumb asses.
- DSI... or "Deep Sea Ingredients." If I told someone about this and said that a really cool monster movie was being made based on the above, they would ask me how the fourth period in seventh grade is going. Those things might be cool to you guys, but you're the small minority, not the majority.

The fact is, a lot of this stupid stuff sounds cool to you guys because you're nerds and geeks who enjoy the Japanese style RPG's that no one cares about. But for a real movie that needs to make money and appeal to the rest of us, it's stupid. I jumped off this board when they started talking about that crap, but now your turbo-nerds are throwing a fit because it's not going to be in the movie.

Get a grip. The stuff that you're into in your moms basement doesn't make money, and it makes for really crappy movie ideas.

I think I hear Euchre putting down the cake frosting and stepping off his moms couch to give me a cyber tongue lashing. Bring it on, shitbag.


Helo wrote:
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But does the non-cloverfield follower know about DSI and SBN? No, because all they see is a 30 second tv spot full of action packed sequences and a 2 minute trailer(s) at apple.com/trailers. They see the teaser and wonder WTF just happened to the SoL's head.

Yeah, you make a point by degrading the majority here to prove your point and insight rivalry, and dont get it twisted, im not yelling back, because as a 20 something girl in NYC who plays hockey, baseball, and is slightly giddy from a few of her beverages, i dont fit your sterio type, and as im sure there is a slight minority that is just like me.(wow, sorry for the runon sentence) I just havent seen any point what-so-ever that could even slightly prove to me that this is going to fail, and dont give me this its coming out in JAN. BS.


Exactly, I'm right there with you! I think the problem is that some people are kicking the messenger down a pit a la The 300. The writer of the article on The Post was saying that it's [potentially] a kick-ass monster movie that could suffer from a lack of traditional marketing as well as an unknown cast.

I want to see Cloverfield succeed, and as I've said a million times, I'll be the first one in line and I'm tempted to call in sick just so I can see it.

What absolutely sucks, and too many people are guilty of this one the forum, is that they're knocking the movie because it doesn't fall in-step with the ARG (and to this day I do not believe it's an ARG - I think the production company setup a viral marketing campaign and decided to have some fun).

If you run a Google search, you'll see UnFiction related to 1-18-08 all over the place, and linked to Cloverfield as well through the wonderful advent of the Google search engine. Again, it's unfortunate that when people go for reviews after they see Cloverfield on the Drudge Report is that they'll come across a ton of nerd rage directed as JJ Abrams because the movie and the ARG/ARE/Viral Marketing/Website Wet Dream are not related.

So, in closing, go see the movie and have a great time. The profits from the movie will probably take an initial hit because it has an unknown cast, it lacked a marketing budget and proper marketing, and it's coming out in January, but I'll be the first to eat crow if that isn't true.

But for the sake of the rest of us in the world of sunlight and fresh air, stop attacking anything and everything not related to the status quo of UnFiction. It really sucks.


While I agree with a lot of what you say perhaps you should refrain from the name calling and stereotyping of everyone on UnFiction. This is a way to have fun for a lot of people around here. We may not like everyones opinions, thoughts or way of life but we really should not bash, hate, demean or demoralize them. You do not know how others live, where they live or what they do. If you have underlying issues with something then by all means work it out on your own and do not drag everyone else with you. While I as well as others may value your opinion, you lose credibility when you act in a manner such as your first post. Being rude and stereotyping everyone is not the way to prove a point. You will not change peoples minds by acting that way. If they are going to be wrong then by all means let them be wrong.

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 		Recall what happened with 300...

very similar. Small budget, no stars, little known director...

and it blew the box office away.

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