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[SPOILER]Path of the Beast
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Tsakara
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 [SPOILER]Path of the Beast
A project in location mapping, object recognition, and monster tracking

I'm attempting to chart the path of the various groups in the movie, the gang, the monster, and the army, I've gome up with significant data pulled from the trailers, the poster, various parts of the movie, google earth, etc.

here is what I have so far. keep in mind I do NOT live in NYC

1. the monster flips a tanker in the harbor and knocks the head off the statue of liberty, dragging it to shore before chucking it.



2. The monster apparently heads straight up broadway and knocks over the empire state building (as is seen in the 5 minute clip, its pretty likely that the monster held onto the statue's head for a while since there isn't much chance of being able to cover the distance it did in the time between the buildings collapse and the throwing of the head.



3. Now things get complicated, this is largely due to this picture:

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in that picture we see the Empire state building on the right side of the street, this narrows down the possible locations of the gang at the party to
west 34th street, east 33 street, or 5th avenue to the north of the building.
the image seems closest to either 34th or 5th.
however all three locations produce an anomaly, you see if they are at any of the locations they are:
1. basically IN midtown
2. absolutely no where remotely close to the Brooklyn Bridge.


now based on the angle of the thrown head I'm pretty sure their on west 34th. also the buildings in that area seem to match the buildings outside the apartment.

but now what? they now seem to go retarded and think that the brooklyn bridge is the closest place to get off the island. in fact, other then the brooklyn battery tunnel its about as far away as possible from them. I think this is one of those times where buildings are moved around for more dramatic effect (like in ID4) because of this inconsistency we're going to skip ahead to the bridge scene.

3. okay they reach the bridge, the monster appears to have returned to the river, possibly due to resistance from the military, now the monster could easily have covered the distance between its previous location and the bridge in the time they would have taken the group to get across Manhattan.

4. anyway, the monster destroys the bridge, apparently going right down the approach road completely destroying it, rob and the others linger in an electronics store as it makes a wide arc. they leave and are probably heading for the Manhattan bridge when Rob decides to go after Beth. they turn north and run right into the monster fighting a military force, probably from nearby Fort Hamilton based on the direction they come from.
the group flees into the tunnels covering a fairly decent distance before the spiders attack and drive them back to the surface. after losing Marlena and meeting with teh army again, they head the rest of the way to midtown, the monster isn't there yet and appears to be casually weaving through the city to ensure its good and wrecked, they seem to avoid it and make it to Beth's place in rapid time.


5. Okay now the monster apparently stops swerving and heads right for central park going up Park avenue, the gang apparently avoid it (just barely as you see them running and it steps on a tank), they board the choppers where we get a real view of the monster just before it grabs them and crashes.
from there its pretty straightforward, the monster eats hud but ignores them, they hid under the bridge and teh army drops a train on them.


edit to add tag ~rose
Resized image to stop forum stretching. - E

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A legend on wtf the colored lines mean would help.
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The collapsing building is the Woolworth Building, not the Empire State Building. The party is on Broadway near 401 (the building that the SOL's head bounces off). Not sure whether you accounted for these (the pics were taking ages to load so I stopped them) but they didn't seem to be in your descriptions so:

1. The monster must've passed through or near the Time Warner Building (Beth's place), it didn't topple over by itself.

2. The bridge at the end is Greyshot.

3. The corner of W 58th Street and 7th Avenue is where the Hansom Cab is seen.

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Tsakara
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ID lines
red is the monster
green is the group on ground
yellow is the group in the tunnels
blue is the statue's head in the first pic and group on the choppers in the second
pink is the army

well like I said, I don't really know my way around NYC, I did what I could with google Earth, stock images and the trailers.

I couldn't find the time warner building, but I'd assumed if the monster had been near the empire state building then it would have had to pass through mid-town at some point.

I dunno though, the building that collapses looks an awful lot like th empire state building, especially the lights on it:


compare to pic of flying head.
It sure looks like the empire state building

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Lit up wrong.



Watch the trailer again.
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Another reason why im behind the more then one monster theory. Smile

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I'm going to have to start all over now to take that into account.

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Nice scribbles.

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Whoops, I meant the Time Warner Center. 10 Columbus Circle.

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Yeah, that isn't the Empire State Building. Just FYI, the Empire State Building is massive. I know that you know that, but if you haven't been to New York City, you may not understand how much bigger it is than any other building in the city (now).

I would've been shocked if they showed a monster pulling that down and it hadn't been mentioned in any thread here already.

I think this is a great idea and a fun project.
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This is a fantastic start. Living relatively close to NYC myself and having visited on a fairly regular basis, I have no doubt in my mind that one monster could have done this. The people, maybe not quite as capable, but it seems like some shortcuts were taken and they were under the influence of a pretty big adrenaline rush.

What I suspect would be a good next step would be for us to compile a list of known locations and estimated times (in 24 hour format) at which either the characters, the monster, or critical events were to be found.

For example, "0xxx: Group entered subway (X Train) at Y street station" "0xxx: Group passes x building." "0xxx: Monster spotted fighting army at cross streets x and y." If this is acceptable, then I strongly suggest that we stick to this standard as best possible for the most effective organization.

From this, we can work towards more precise maps and more likely routes. No doubt exists in my mind that we'll have a number of clouds--that is, an area in which we do not know where the monster was or truly could have been, but can make a rough guess as to its approximate location--but I think we can get a fairly good map done in a short time.

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Heh.

Something I'm already attempting to cover in my timeline thread is a basic tracking of the monster's movements, so I'll give my feedback.

One thing I will mention. I don't think Beth's Building is the time warner center. While it makes sense considering where you see the hansom cab, rob mentions that is her fathers appartment, not hers.

Then again, the picture I found of a hotel in the center looks remarkably similar. http://www.panoramio.com/photo/3525069

Anyways. My best guess has the monster coming up before the statue of liberty. Flips the tanker. Its underwater at this point since the news doesn't cover it.

It moves to Liberty island, grabs the head, and books it across to manhatten. My best guess says it lands at battery park, if only because its a wide open space, likely making it feel somewhat more comfortable pulling out of the water.

Moreover, battery park has a straight shot down broadway, which is where it is heading. The monster heads down broadway, throws the head, and wrecks the woolworth building. It likely wanders a little of course (explaining the side to side view of it moving between buildings.

We know it continues down broadway as it leaves that trail all the way up the main road. Now whats funny, is to do everything we need it to in the next little bit, all the monster needs to do is keep going down broadway, as that eventually leaves it off at the time warner center. Best way to document this part of things would be a straight line to the TWC, with a few squiggly lines indicating it could have deviated anywhere along this path. The destinations should be correct however.

The next part is sketchy. No matter how it goes about it the monster needs to get back into the east river. This is somewhat annoying because it means, depending how it goes about it, the monster has to go under anywhere between 0-4 other bridges before randomly deciding to attack brooklyn bridge.

At this point I believe the creature heads back towards lower manhatten, where it first arrived. Keep in mind that the millitary is passing them as they are waiting around not far from brooklyn bridge, Since they have to be coming from the north it makes no sense for them to be passing them unless they are merely trying to encircle the creature higher up.

The monster could be up north as well, this part is sort of a guess.

The next place we see the monster is a subway station. We know the group passes several chinese people, most likely retreating from chinatown.

If it were me, I'd head up to canal street, make a line down that way, then head up seventh street as its all but a straight line to TWC from there. I believe this is what they did.

This is enhanced by the fact that large numbers of millitary come up from their back. Canal connects to manhatten bridge, incidentally the backup bridge when brooklyn is destroyed.

In any case, we likely see the monster somewhere in the vicinity of Canal and walker, not far from where the party started.

They retreat into the tunnels. We know they take the tunnels in a generally northern direction, and that they never make the switch off to head west due to interfearance.

That in mind they end up most likely close to where the original post suggested. My bet is they come up somewhere on park ave, anywhere between east 38th and east 50th.

From there they have their millitary problem, head west, and end up at the TWC. Due to the nature of the movie, all we know is that the monster is 'somewhere' during this time. We know it ends up in the vicinity of the time warner center during the climb.

From there I really find it hard to track as the next sections of the movie are hard to follow. They return, load into the helicopter, get knocked down, and die.

Any New yorkers know the building MGP rakes his hand down? Might be useful to help place him.

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Thats my topic regarding the movie's timeline.

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one remark: What evidence do we have that it didn't attack other bridges before/after the run-in we encountered and it just so happened that it was the biggest event to happen at that particular time? (This is a serious question) We know that the military rolled in armor and infantry but this does not necessarily mean they continued receiving reinforcements care of said bridges. Keep in mind that the Midtown Tunnel could certainly support the passage of light armor and infantry support vehicles.

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Nice work on this Tsa. It's kind of confusing, but I can see what you're trying to do.
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Could this be the beginning of a MGP guidetour for NYC?

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