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[RANT]Fanboys, please don't rant
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m_talon
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 [RANT]Fanboys, please don't rant
or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Clover

Well I guess it could be said that Cloverfield has arrived. It's garnered a following here that's pretty dedicated. Unfortunately, the "fanboy" attitude is already starting to creep in to the boards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

My point here is simple. Please don't ruin it for the rest of us. Being a fan is great, but being a loud-mouthed arrogant whiner is not. We're talking about a story about a 300-foot tall monster trashing stuff. This isn't a presidential debate, and it isn't a religion. We're here for fun, and the less fun it is the less likely people will stick around.

It's fine to debate and discuss inconsistencies, but when those discussions dissolve into "OMG the whole thing is ruined and nobody should be putting up with this and they all suck and blah blah blah" it's time to put down the keyboard and take a short walk. Let go of that sense of entitlement for a minute.

A lot of people like you and me put in a lot of work to bring us a story that has been and will continue to be entertaining. It's our job as fans to show our appreciation of that work. Tearing the story and the writers down because something doesn't quite match up isn't being a fan. It's being a jerk.

If after you've taken a deep breath and a walk and you still can't get over that detail that's bugging you, perhaps you should find something else to obsess over. We're here to enjoy ourselves, and there's really no point to posting here if you're not enjoying it. Yep, there's plenty of details to discuss, and we're not always going to agree. However there's a line between rational debate and emotional outburst.

Sorry for the long post, but I want to close with this. There's a lot of discussion out there about how hardcore fans are ruining genre films (SciFi, fantasy, etc) with their ranting and raving and demanding things fit into the world as THEY see it instead of how the writers see it. I've seen it happen with TV shows and movies I loved, and I really don't want to see it here.

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Matt Horvath
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Before I start I just like to make clear that this is my personal point of view of everything related to this movie.
And please forgive any English mistakes, I'm Brazilian Smile

I couldnīt agree more. Ever since the 1st post about a 'supposed' review made by someone who already seen the movie, everybody just freaked out, 'cause it said nothing about Slusho, or Tagruato, or whatever. I think that, given the way the movie was shot/made, there is, apparently, no room for technical explanations, like I read on one interview from the director I think, who said that there are no scientists to explain us what is the creature, or what could have happened before. Maybe if the monster attacked another city instead of NY, and the guys who were filming the party were watching more news on TV, then they would have known more about it.
To make it simple, everybody here knows way more about the background of the movie than the regular people (I.E. those who doesn't know about this forums) who will see it, and we can enjoy a little more, like, when I first saw the Chuai Station videos, I thought that the timeline of events were kinda working, but the whole 'damn the movie wasn't set in January, and all those pics at www.1-18-08.com have this date on them'. I mean, does it really matter? Almost everybody will see the movie next friday, and I have to wait until February 1st to watch it. So, the whole date thing is ruined for me.

I'm sorry for this long post too, but I had to vent it. I am sorry and I apologize if I am rude with all that I wrote.

Peace

Matt

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Pandafarmer
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Well said. But I do understand as well, that people who are interested in this thing from an ARG perspective. But as smart movie making, you simply wouldn't want to cram all of this crazy back story into a very simple premise. Monster shows up, crushes, people freak. The average movie goer doesn't care about oil rigs, sushi, or slush. It might make the experience more enjoyable for those of us who can see deeper into the story... but overall can't we just enjoy the movie for what it is? A movie? Who knows, possibly this will all continue as a solid ARG after the movie is done, especially if it is successful. I know all of us fan boy or not, would enjoy that prospect.

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Pandafarmer wrote:
Well said. But I do understand as well, that people who are interested in this thing from an ARG perspective. But as smart movie making, you simply wouldn't want to cram all of this crazy back story into a very simple premise. Monster shows up, crushes, people freak. The average movie goer doesn't care about oil rigs, sushi, or slush. It might make the experience more enjoyable for those of us who can see deeper into the story... but overall can't we just enjoy the movie for what it is? A movie? Who knows, possibly this will all continue as a solid ARG after the movie is done, especially if it is successful. I know all of us fan boy or not, would enjoy that prospect.



Totally agreed.

Also, you don't need the movie to reconfirm what you already know. You already know what Rob's new job is, so if they don't have a big neon sign confirming it in the film, you shouldn't feel cheated.
You have learned extra information about the story, but the film was never meant to be a celebration of how clever you are for knowing it.
edit: only expect a couple of nods to it, from what the director says.

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Some Thing
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I agree with the sentiment of this thread, however...
...to ask fanboys not to complain is to ask the sun not to rise or the tide not to come in. Wink

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Red_Daze
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Let me start by saying I am a Cloverfield fan boy I guess. Never really been one but I got sucked into this whole thing and have been loving it. Smile

As for this ARE, I don't expect it to tie to the movie cause I think that would be a silly expectation since 80-90% of the movie goers would be lost and have a bad time. Secondly I have stayed away form all the spoilers so I could enjoy this ARE and the movie this Friday.

That being said as an ARE I have expectations. I expect it to be a self contained story and have a beginning (check), middle (check), and end(?). The end is what I am concerned about but really wanting to see. My theory is they saw the amazing internet buzz and threw together an ARE for folks to follow (slusho, Tagruato, TIDOwave, myspace, j+t.com). They've done some cool stuff and there are some inconsistencies sure but right now I fear they are going to end it without answering some fundamental questions of this experience. Namely, is Teddy dead or alive? What secrets did Tagruato know or not know? How crazy is Jamie? I think these questions are not unfair to ask given what has been setup so far. I am sure I will love the movie regardless but I would like to see this ARE pulled together this week as a good experience in and of itself.

Thanks for letting me vent.

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lcamino
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I am glad someone came out and said what I hope many of us are thinking. We should be grateful, if anything. Nothing has grabbed and kept my attention like this in long time. Transformers came ouit in June. I wish I kept a log of the insane amount of time I spent coming up with hairbrained theories and checking the same sites dozens of times everyday. I can only say that I've enjoyed the ride. The idea that we are owed some sense of closure, like from some ex-girlfriend that left us flat, is ridiculous. It just goes to show the level of intimacy we've generated for the characters and plotline. Then again, wasn't that the point. Who cares if there are some loose ends? I know we all enjoyed ourselves.

Fanboys, JJ owes us nothing. Our obligation is to return the favor and spend ten bucks to see the damn thing.

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Well said. TBH,
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I don't know why people are freaking out over the whole month thing. There are so many explanations about why it's set in may, but people just won't listen to them. He could just be going to Japan for a month or so in January, before moving permanently in May. The whole Chuai thing could mean they have to postphone introducing Slusho to America (which I believe he is in charge of). They could only find the tape in January. But people wont listen! It doesn't actually matter when it's set anyway, because it's just a movie, it's not an actual part of the ARG.

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TPMdm
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underwaterdonkey wrote:
Well said. TBH,
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I don't know why people are freaking out over the whole month thing. There are so many explanations about why it's set in may, but people just won't listen to them. He could just be going to Japan for a month or so in January, before moving permanently in May. The whole Chuai thing could mean they have to postphone introducing Slusho to America (which I believe he is in charge of). They could only find the tape in January. But people wont listen! It doesn't actually matter when it's set anyway, because it's just a movie, it's not an actual part of the ARG.


Reread the last part of the last sentence in your spoiler. That's all I've been saying since
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the date inconsistencies showed up


BTW @op Fanboys are the ones who are intolerant of criticisms of their object of fanaticism. And read the wiki link you posted and reflect on it. From one kettle I'm calling you a pot. Very Happy

edit to clarify my position
As a movie I don't give a crap when this movie takes place and what elements from the ARE are in it. I'm going to go see it and I'm fully expecting it to be a fantastic way to spend an hour and a half. The problems for me came when I realized the movie is not the culmination of the ARE. It can't be and there are plenty of other posts where this is discussed. That is where the disappointment comes from. I've not once dissed the movie except as it related to being the finale of the ARE. I have called for the removal of "Genius" from JJ Abrams title and I stand by that Wink

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m_talon
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TPMdm wrote:

BTW @op Fanboys are the ones who are intolerant of criticisms of their object of fanaticism. And read the wiki link you posted and reflect on it. From one kettle I'm calling you a pot. Very Happy


Oh, and my RANT tag asking others not to rant wasn't a sure sign of my hypocrisy? Wink

Seriously thought, I'm not intolerant to criticism, or at least I try not to be. I like LOST, Heroes, and Battlestar Galactica, each of which has more than their fair share of screaming critics (especially LOST). You can't post on those boards without dealing with a few nut cases. I just prefer this:

"Hmm, that scene wasn't good. Either the writers missed the point, or the actors didn't quite get it."

To:

"OMG that scene sucked! This show is dying! I'm going to quit watching! The writers suck, the actors suck, this board sucks!!!11!!"

The former is a gateway to rational discussion and makes the poster look reasonable mature and intelligent. The later sounds like a child who didn't get their way. To me, calm reasonable criticism is more likely to get a response and discussion than crazed ranting.

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robyclov
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Let their heads explode!

Personally, I encourage this kind of obsessive behavior. I'm kind of hoping many fanboys will have their heads explode on 1-18-08 when they see the movie.

See, the monster comes from the bottom of the ocean, so when it surfaces, it should explode from all that internal pressure. Therefore, the monster cannot exist.

Similarly, as the tally of inconsistencies and omissions mounts in the heads of the fanboys, similarly will their heads explode from the pressure.

Or so one can dream.

[if nothing else, these movies are a huge opportunity to play with logic -- albeit a sort of phony, hysterical logic. As these fans mature out of their fanboy stage, say when they turn 46, perhaps they will have learned some reasoning skills from their youthful excesses.]

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TPMdm
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m_talon wrote:
(snip) I like LOST, Heroes, and Battlestar Galactica, each of which has more than their fair share of screaming critics (especially LOST)(snip)


Btw, galactica starts again in March IIRC. Stupid Starbuck dying Sad

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soupy sales
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THANK YOU!

You put that really nicely.

Many of the posts to which you refer sound like a spoiled brat who wanted a bike for Christmas, gets a really nice bike, but throws an absolute tantrum because the bike is green and he/she wanted blue.

I really sort of abandoned reading the forums for a while because I just don't find reading those kinds of posts enjoyable, especially when none of the people posting have even seen the movie. I hope people take your nicely-written post to heart!!

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tiny420
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Funny; you're telling fanboys not to rant. Which I agree. But your complaining like a little bitch. (No offense) Come on now.

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