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[Rjet]

it might of been a nuke.

there were sirens before the explosions, do they always sound the siren when they're just bombing? I would guess sirens would indicate some kind of hardcore bombing would be in progress.

ALSO about the whole electrionics magnets etc. That Video Camera is fkin BAD ASS. if it can survive throughout the whole damn movie without getting fked up.. . AT ALL.. then it should be able to handle a nuke or anything else.

just saying. .


summary.

badass camera survives nuke.

[Master Shake]

If I was the military guy in charge, I would've used an FAE. Obviously, MGP breathes oxygen, and the blast would suck all the air out of its lungs. I don't care how tough it is, if it can't breathe, it can't fight.

And by the way rjet, I agree that the camera is bad ass. It must've been made by Dodge, who were also responsible for the indestructible Ram pickup in "Twister".

[Roe]

After the Helicopter crash, I recall the radio cackles that the target is still active, and to initiate Hammerdown. Then something about DoT (I honestly couldn't figure out the letters) in 15 minutes.

Then it says that 2 minutes before Hammerdown goes into affect the air raid sirens will be going off. I couldn't hear a lot of the chatter, but something about if you hear the sirens you are in the blast area.

Does anyone remember what the letters were? Distruction of Target, or Drop on Target are my only two guesses, assuming DoT is right.

I've seen the movie a couple of times and still can't get those letters.

[Angstfild]

It was not, could not have been a nuclear device.

What do we know about such devices?

1) EMP at detonation. This would have alone destroyed the digitally recorded material and stopped the camera recording at the moment of detonation.
2) They are detonated at altitude.
3) Incineration at ground zero. With todays weapons I am sure complete anihilation and incineration would have encompassed the entire island.
4) Produce Fallout.

Fireballs from a nuclear blast occur after the initial release of heat and energy. We are talking about, at detonation, heat as intense as the sun at ground zero. Now how big is the island. A few miles long and wide. Any small nuclear device would totally wipe out the island.

The EMP from any size of device would destroy video on the camera even if it did survive the extreme heat cause by the nuclear blast and subsequent firestorm that would engulf central park. That is where they were after all and what does that mean? Kindling.

I tend to think the evacuation was so that they could save as many lives as possible. The military carpet bombed the entire island. Short of a nuke it is the only way to be moderately sure that MGP and the parasites were exterminated.

I honestly cannot see how anyone could deduce that a nuclear device was or would be used on our own soil. Fallout anyone? It would make the area unlivable for many, many decades and there is no telling where or how far the contamination could or would spread.

I seriously doubt a nuclear device of any size was used.

[Angstfild]

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[Angstfild]

One other thing. I am pretty tired of the " It's only a movie" and "It's Hollywood" arguements.

The movie was made to have some semblance of realism. The movie makers wanted us to become immersed in the lives and stories of those involved in the movie. They want us to suspend belief and pretend that these things could or did occur.

With that they made the movie as close to something as believable as possible in their creative minds. So to believe that a nuke was used and the SD survived is going a bit outside of even their imaginary box.

Yes it is a movie. Correct, it is not real. But for the sake of the game and enjoyment of the movie, we are to at least pretend that it happened.

[Zaggs]

I would agree with everything Angstfild said. Unless for some reason whatever the bridge was made out of is the perfect resistor of EMP its not a nuke. It doesn't matter how well the camera is made, the circuit boards would fry. Also the soldier that advises them to get to Beth's tells them the last helicopter leaves at 0600, Hammer down is later to "level the island". I don't think he would say "level" if he knew it was "nuke". The space in between "wheels up" and "Hammer Down" is to make sure all the military troops are out of harms way. But they've had a few hours and they know not all civilians would have gotten out of Manhattan, hence the god help us. Then there is also the fact that on US soil you're going to escalate what you use to kill it. You're not going to jump to a nuke. My guess is carpet bombing with Fuel Air Explosives. Maybe that one B-2 was early, but it was only dropping "dumb" (no guidance) iron bombs. Or maybe it was the last escalation after the F-18's failed.
Course how the creature survived all this when the mother must be dead (if it is truly a baby) is beyond me.

[alptraum]

[TheAirman]

Even the smallest nuclear bomb would destroy all of NY, and devestate Jersey, so no. It wasn't a nuke. Too much at stake.

Hell, NY and it's people have been though enough in the past 8 years without DC deciding to destroy it completely. NYC is America's most important city (second most. My hometown of DC is the capitol FTW). A nuke doesn't make sense at all. You want to stop a monster, yes. But you do not want to cause even MORE damage to that much real estate when that much of the city is destoyed as it is.

Another reason why I think it wasn't a nuke? Because they found the camera in years or months. No residual radiation or fallout is going to dissipate that quickly at all.

[TommyBoy84]

Roe,

When you speak of "DoT", I think they actually said "ToT" in the movie, which would be "time on target". I think they were just referring to when the bombing for Hammerdown would actually start.

[alptraum]

Thats not true at all. The US and other countries as well have created MANY sizes of nuclear weapons. There are some that would not destroy all of NYC, much less wipe out New Jersey as well. I don't want to sound like a jerk, but you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the sizes of nuclear weapons and their effects. We have many weapons that fall well below the MT+ city killer range, as do some other countries.

As far as the timeline you mention them finding the camera in (years or months, or weeks as far as we know) protective suits can go a long way to surviving a radio active environment

[TheAirman]

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[Angstfild]

[TheAirman]